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--- title: Community Zoning Information Meeting date: 2024-08-07 source: 2024-08-07_Community_Zoning_Information_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:29, 0:01:36]: Good evening everyone. Welcome to the second meeting of the City of Stockbridge. [0:01:36, 0:01:39]: Community zoning and information meeting. [0:01:40, 0:01:51]: What is a CZIM, you may ask? A CZIM is an informal meeting that allows applicants who are requesting a rezoning [0:01:51, 0:02:11]: A modification, a comprehensive land use change, or a special use permit to present their petition to all citizens who may have interest in their developments. It allowed the applicants an opportunity to present their applications to you and explain to you what the details of their project will consider. [0:02:11, 0:02:16]: It will also allow the residents and citizens to [0:02:16, 0:02:23]: of the city of Stockbridge to ask or review any documents that the applicant may have in possession. [0:02:23, 0:02:30]: And also it provides details on upcoming meetings, hearings, location dates, and time. [0:02:30, 0:02:34]: Allow me to go over the rules and regulations of the meeting. [0:02:39, 0:02:50]: So first we ask that you keep your comments and presentations on a professional level. Any subsequent redirection of behavior, you will be asked to leave the meeting. [0:02:50, 0:03:10]: Uh we ask that you refrain from applause or comments from the audience that are not recognized by staff. And we ask that you please defer all questions pertaining to the presentation that is uh before us at that time. And before we get started, a [0:03:10, 0:03:13]: Allow me to introduce staff to you. [0:03:14, 0:03:25]: Before you are the dates for the community zoning and information meetings that are come upcoming. The next CZIM meeting will be September 4th. [0:03:26, 0:03:32]: October second, November sixth, December fourth, and January second of twenty twenty five. [0:03:33, 0:03:53]: Before you is the zoning process that uh application goes through. In the beginning, the applicant reached out to staff or pre-application meeting and they present their project to us. We provide comments on their project or site plan that is before us. After that meeting, [0:03:53, 0:04:13]: An application is submitted to staff, and upon review, we provide comments to the applicants and just uh verifying that the application is completed. Once it's completed, it then goes through processes of legal advertisement, property [0:04:13, 0:04:17]: signs placed on the um a zoning signs placed on the property. [0:04:18, 0:04:18]: Um [0:04:18, 0:04:22]: notifications are sent within five hundred feet of the subject property. [0:04:23, 0:04:23]: And then [0:04:24, 0:04:27]: Where we are tonight is the community zoning information meeting. [0:04:28, 0:04:39]: Um there are other processes that will happen after this meeting, such as planning commission, and then city council, and then after that, the applicant may move forward to um [0:04:42, 0:04:46]: they may submit for their permits, such as land disturbance or a building permit. [0:04:48, 0:04:55]: These are the cases that are before us tonight. We have the adoption of a new land use and zoning map for the city of Stockbridge. [0:04:56, 0:05:04]: Um then we will have the CP dash twenty twenty-four-zero one comprehensive plan amendment. [0:05:04, 0:05:24]: On the north side of Hudson Bridge Drive, and that will also include a rezoning and a variance, two variances. Then the next case will be CP-2024-06, which is also a comprehensive plan amendment for two parcels on the east side of [0:05:24, 0:05:34]: of Highway 42 north, south of Eagles Landing, and that will also consist of a rezoning in two variances. [0:05:36, 0:05:44]: After tonight, I mentioned earlier that this these cases that you will hear tonight will go to Planning Commission and that date will be [0:05:46, 0:06:01]: That date is incorrect. So August fifteenth. August fifteenth, correct. So August fifteenth will be the planning commission date and then subsequently we'll be mayor and city council September ninth. [0:06:02, 0:06:09]: So again, planning commission after this date will be August fifteenth for those that are listening to the meeting tonight. [0:06:09, 0:06:14]: And from here we'll go ahead and get started with presentations and the first [0:06:14, 0:06:16]: Presentation will be [0:06:16, 0:06:18]: From Mr. George Harper. [0:06:19, 0:06:21]: I'm sorry, Josh Mahoney. [0:06:21, 0:06:23]: Um, considering the [0:06:23, 0:06:29]: comprehensive land use change, rezoning and variants on the north side of Hudson Bridge Drive. [0:09:09, 0:09:10]: Your land use. Thank you. [0:09:14, 0:09:34]: This is the site plan that we're proposing at this time. Just to orient everybody, north is towards the top of the screen. Hudson Bridge Road would be off to the right side of your screen. The Taco Bell QT would be down here in the corner of the property. [0:09:34, 0:09:54]: We're proposing access off of what's called Hudson Bridge Drive, which is right behind the Taco Bell. We would have the pool and clubhouse right near the entrance of the development, and then we would have the road network kind of stretch back into the property as you see it here. We are proposing to sell these types of [0:09:54, 0:10:01]: Town homes for the price range between uh$330,000,$360,000 based on today's forecast. [0:10:03, 0:10:23]: And then I'd like to take a moment just to talk a little bit about the variances that we're requesting. As you can see, the property is kind of an odd shape with a stream that traverses the north end of the property and the accompanying stream buffer that encumbers the property that makes all of the northern part of. [0:10:23, 0:10:43]: of the of the property unusable and undevelopable. And so we have to squeeze in what we can here on the southern side of the property. Additionally, several variances have been granted in the city, especially for this front yard setback when it comes to town homes. So we're requesting what [0:10:43, 0:10:46]: What we've seen around in other applications. [0:10:47, 0:10:57]: And then lastly you can see an example of the product that we're proposing, which includes a mixture of high quality materials, including brick, uh on the on the it on the units you see on the bottom here. [0:11:00, 0:11:08]: And with that, that's all I have. If anyone has any questions, I'm happy to help. Uh and I have my contact information that I could share as well if anyone's interested in getting any more information. [0:11:31, 0:11:35]: Thank you, Mr. Mahoney. The next presentation that will be before you [0:11:35, 0:11:43]: Is the rezoning comprehensive land use change and variance on Highway 42? [0:11:44, 0:11:47]: And this will be presented by Mr. George Harper. [0:12:00, 0:12:20]: Uh good evening. George Harper, Paramount Engineering, 11 East Broad Street, Noonan, Georgia. Here tonight, as Ms. Kiedra said, to uh explain to you our uh proposal for a comp plan amendment um and a rezoning and two variances on this project. Uh [0:12:20, 0:12:40]: Um similar to the first project you heard, we're uh proposing a comp plan amendment from low density mixed use to a medium density residential. Uh we are proposing a rezoning from C2 to MFR. Uh the property is currently [0:12:40, 0:13:00]: Vacant. It's owned by the fence company, which is located just to the north of the property. They had proposed a few years back, I believe, to try to expand their facility onto this property. I think it had to be rezoned. Maybe it's a more of a an industrial type zoning, and that was denied. So they've owned this property for quite a few. [0:13:00, 0:13:20]: years and uh at this time with all the the um development around it and the need for housing uh they thought that this uh this townhome uh development was probably the highest and best use and we agreed so uh we are proposing a hundred units uh fee simple town [0:13:20, 0:13:25]: homes. Um they will have two car garages. [0:13:27, 0:13:47]: We were uh proposing an amenities area with a pool and a cabana. Um also has uh the the parking for uh some additional parking for guests as well as the uh the amenities user also proposing a playground on this project, uh the main access. [0:13:47, 0:14:07]: There's actually an existing curb cut uh that lines up directly uh with Parkview Place on Highway 42 at this time. So we're gonna be accessing and using that uh existing driveway and curb cut. We'll also have a secondary emergency access that's also existing as well. [0:14:07, 0:14:27]: To allow for just emergency trucks, fire trucks in case that was ever needed. The community will be gated. We kind of did this the old school way. I have the boards with the plans on it. I know staff has the everything that we submitted with our [0:14:27, 0:14:37]: our application, but uh we have the boards with the obviously the plan, the colored rendering of the subdivision as well as the renderings of the uh proposed units as well. [0:14:38, 0:14:58]: Uh let's see. Again, we're proposing a hundred units. Uh we're surrounded by um some residential property to the uh east and the south, um, single-family uh residential, um, and a little bit of O and I as well for a church, St. Luke, Lutheran. [0:14:58, 0:15:18]: Church is adjacent to us to the south on Highway 42. To the north is the existing fence company who currently owns the property and they are zoned LI. We're proposing a 25-foot buffer along the east property line that backs up to Lakeside. [0:15:18, 0:15:25]: At Eagles Landing Subdivision because that property is zoned SR. [0:15:25, 0:15:42]: And we're obviously going to pro uh be proposed MFR. The property to the south of us, uh Brandon's Walk subdivision is currently zoned MFR as well. So we will we do have a contiguous uh MFR zoning that uh that we're wanting to expand. [0:15:43, 0:15:45]: Um [0:15:45, 0:16:05]: As far as the variances that we're proposing, uh we're uh asking for two variances. Uh one will be to reduce the required front setback from 50 feet to 30 feet. Excuse me. Yeah, excuse me, 30 five, 30 feet. That's correct. Um typically in a uh uh town home development, 50 feet is is quite [0:16:05, 0:16:25]: Excessive for a front setback variance just based on similar ordinances in surrounding municipalities. If you think about a town home development, typically you like to have smaller front yards, less maintenance, but we also want to have enough room for to be able to park cars that doesn't block. [0:16:25, 0:16:45]: The road, the street, or the sidewalks. And so 30 feet is plenty of room. And again, remember that 30 feet is based off of the right-of-way. So from the actual edge of the pavement or a back of curb, you know, it's probably another 11 feet or so. So you've got almost 40 feet from the back of curb to the to the front of the house. [0:16:45, 0:17:05]: Which is plenty of room, plenty enough room for um to uh to park several vehicles. Again, we have two car garages on these as well. Um and then the second variance we're asking for is to reduce the side setbacks from 20 feet to 10 feet. So in the MFR ordinance, uh it says that the [0:17:05, 0:17:25]: The minimum side setback is 20 feet, but then it goes on to say that the minimum distance between buildings is uh is 20 feet. So we're trying to reduce the side setback to where it meets the the uh minimum uh distance between buildings, which would be uh 20 feet, so 10 feet. [0:17:25, 0:17:30]: on each side of the property line. So that is the uh that's the the basis for that request. [0:17:31, 0:17:51]: Um other than that it's a it'll be a nice subdivision. Uh majority of these uh townhomes will have brick, uh stone stucco uh facades. Um again, you know, with our amenities that we're asking for. Um well only a hundred units. Um I think it'll really fit in with the uh the neighboring properties. [0:17:51, 0:18:00]: and be a good transition between the single family to the south and the uh industrial property to the north. So be glad to answer any questions that [0:18:02, 0:18:03]: No one here has. [0:18:05, 0:18:06]: All right. Thank you. [0:18:32, 0:18:52]: So I thank you, Mr. Hopper, for your presentation um regarding your development at highway on Highway 42. Um so those that are watching tonight, um the plans that you saw before you are cons conceptual plans, um meaning that it could change once [0:18:52, 0:19:12]: They um begin their building process. So um before the building process, they will meet with staff again. And you know, we will ensure that they are following the the regulations of the UDC code of the city of Stockbridge. And um this information that was presented. [0:19:12, 0:19:32]: presented to you tonight is public information. So if you would like to see the plans of the applicants that presented tonight, you may contact staff and request those documents. So at this point, at this time, um do we have any comments from staff? [0:19:35, 0:19:35]: Okay. [0:19:39, 0:19:58]: There are no further comments and if again, if there are any questions, please reach out to staff and we'll be more than happy to assist you with any inquiries. So we thank you for visiting with the City of Stockbridge planning and zoning staff and good night.

--- title: City Council Work Session date: 2024-07-30 source: 2024-07-30_City_Council_Work_Session.wav --- [0:00:07, 0:00:08]: We can get this. [0:02:55, 0:02:56]: Yeah, you're on the same. [0:04:26, 0:04:27]: Okay. [0:05:18, 0:05:20]: Okay. [0:07:30, 0:07:31]: Yeah. [0:07:43, 0:07:48]: You need a lot of killing. You need a money. [0:08:06, 0:08:07]: Okay, but where are you worrying? [0:08:09, 0:08:11]: What's the blue name? Oh no, not real telecom. [0:08:14, 0:08:16]: Um [0:08:20, 0:08:21]: Yeah, yeah, that's okay. [0:08:30, 0:08:30]: Yeah. [0:09:28, 0:09:30]: This is great. [0:11:13, 0:11:14]: Yeah. [0:11:23, 0:11:24]: Okay. [0:16:52, 0:16:53]: Okay, yeah. [0:18:11, 0:18:12]: Mm-hmm. [0:19:10, 0:19:11]: [1180.0, 1180.3]: Yeah. [0:21:57, 0:21:59]: Yeah, [0:23:45, 0:23:48]: Yeah, I think that's [0:24:41, 0:24:43]: [1512.1, 1512.4]: Yeah. [0:36:57, 0:36:58]: Will she record? [0:37:17, 0:37:20]: Right. So we're calling now. [0:37:42, 0:37:45]: All right, thank you. All right, Council. Uh we motion to end the second position, please. [0:37:47, 0:37:49]: Mm. [0:37:49, 0:37:52]: From second session we have an issue we want to bring forward this time this game is. [0:37:53, 0:37:56]: Um yes, I don't I took a motion that we translate. I'm sorry, what's what's wrong? [0:37:57, 0:37:59]: Well, I think it's a good thing [0:37:59, 0:38:14]: Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. Ms. Gan, Ms. Gan, go ahead, please. I would I would like to make a motion to approve one seventy five and one eighty five North Trail be transferred over to the development authority with the same sti stipulations of sale that we made to parcel zero three two. [0:38:15, 0:38:21]: Zero zero three zero zero one okay made made motion made from second mister has that on favour please okay [0:38:22, 0:38:30]: I'll post Mayor Ford and I can add a comment. Um this ain't better and I don't believe it's property has been um [0:38:31, 0:38:51]: Advertised publicly. I opposed. Thank you for four. One motion passed. And now ladies and gentlemen, uh council, motion to uh Tar Gym C please. Mayor, before we do that, I just want to make a comment that by law and because we staff at tea that we uh what we did and mayor we didn't was legal and proper. Thank you. I need a motion to our gym for the seat in place. [0:38:51, 0:39:06]: Is there a second? A second. If you uh if you had a change, uh please uh get that to the clerk. So good uh approval or all that agreed. Uh Mr. Clerk, is there any public comments at all? [0:39:07, 0:39:27]: Okay, and we'll move on to new business. The new business item of two process to determine awarding of two additional alcoholic license and possibly two addition license to cert other types of businesses in the city of Stockbridge. Currently application which the city has to be reviewed during the forty five day public notice period, which ended on seventh twenty twenty four. For a purpose of awarding business license to two additional alcoholic businesses, possibly awarding licenses to additional businesses certain [0:39:27, 0:39:39]: Mr. Ryan Ans, please. Good evening. I would like to announce the work of the two available lick licenses to the two qualified applicants. Applicant number one, Baris Kumakotel, and applicant number five, Narea Patel. [0:39:40, 0:39:58]: Thank you sir. Uh no. Mr. Berry here, please. Yes, uh, I'd like to move the potential liquor lists to applicant five, direct, as well as applicant one or school, subject to meet the criteria outlined by the director of the building and the ordinance are reproving set with no specific locations approved this time. Mr. Second, I'll pray please indicate. [0:39:59, 0:40:19]: Sam, you never seen on that note, everybody. Um appreciate that now we have council consideration of a resolution accept the track to uh for the property at uh thirty ninety six Jodico Road near Kenler Road, we have the C Stockbridge best owner, Kenler, who started pro pro I guess as a follow-up to uh executed delegation uh agreement between [0:40:19, 0:40:39]: parties. Uh dated thirteen December 2023 for the use of six hours park and for other purposes and the part to be constructed by the property owner and according to the mutual agreement plan. And the property comprises the parcel number 071 D0B46000, which is three districts with Henry County. Tract two contains zero point four eight nine acres. [0:40:39, 0:40:59]: depicted as by me. Track one and track three on the property were pre-proof dedication to the city started by the same property owner at the February 12th 2024 council meeting. Ryan, please. Yes on February 12th uh this year um cities did um track um one and three uh from the 175 Canton industrial park over there um associated [0:40:59, 0:41:04]: with the city's all park and um let me try to pull this up so you can see um [0:41:10, 0:41:21]: If you can see the screen, it it will be the C owns track one and track two, which previous previously dedicated in uh February of sure. And so uh if we accept the dedication, we will own track three. So we'll just own that whole script. [0:41:23, 0:41:43]: So this is of this uh item. Okay, thank you. Mr. Anderson. Yes. Certainly the city has been maintaining this area. We basically go back to clean stuff, which is to make sure it's done appropriate, uh correct. I think they already installed the part uh on the right side there, and they installed the new equipment and trails and all that already. Uh on this uh left and parts left hand [0:41:43, 0:42:03]: Side over here. This side was not improved. I think to see or we would have go back and add some parking spaces and additional uh outlays there because with additional land being now in the city, we actually could add some additional amenities uh to the park on this new area that uh if we did not realize that we can attain. I would like to at the [0:42:03, 0:42:23]: this point already dedicated to us. I wouldn't circle back to them because they did put 10 footpath across the initial side on the right hand side by the uh dog park, but we did not really realize that we were gonna get rest of the link on the other side. So I watched circle back and see if they would uh add a 10 foot path on the front of course it would be a request at this point. Yes sir to Wes and ask him what they would [0:42:23, 0:42:23]: [2543.9, 2548.0]: Okay. Well uh that would be in the in that instantly I would make a motion approved. [0:42:28, 0:42:29]: Okay. [0:42:30, 0:42:31]: Is there a second to the motion? [0:42:31, 0:42:33]: Second I'm the second. All favor, please gay. [0:42:33, 0:42:38]: Okay, uh four vote yes, and I'm assuming you uh put in no. [0:42:39, 0:42:41]: So I wanted to be able to make a comment before we voted. [0:42:42, 0:42:54]: Code. Go ahead. Make a comment. Question. Which one? My question is, is it ontage to accept this property? Consider considering that they're responsible for maintaining it. [0:42:54, 0:43:01]: Um being yeah, because we already have been three oh the track in the middle it would be it would seem more logical for us to have that. So we'd put one people strip. [0:43:02, 0:43:06]: Already ta maintained anyway. So I don't think that was too much of an introvert on the city. [0:43:07, 0:43:15]: Well uh you know we had the discussion regarding the idea of the aim passive um last year. Um [0:43:15, 0:43:20]: And I know at that time it was for the owners of the warehouse. [0:43:20, 0:43:25]: Uh hoping that they would build a park to kind of commend with human community and provide [0:43:25, 0:43:33]: park for recreation relaxing. But I heard announcement Alexander mentioned about added to digital features. That's a cost to the city. So [0:43:35, 0:43:39]: I was asking a question. That's all. Oh thank you, sir. You're welcome. [0:43:39, 0:43:59]: Motion is made second, please indicate in the case. Thank you very much, Mr. Anderson uh what is necessary deannexation case number DSU zero two four-02 per mainly subject in phase two. And also here, this is a presentation, not a voting item. Uh so what we have is consideration of an ordinance to de-annex from equipment to the city of Stockworth's within the man. [0:43:59, 0:44:01]: [2641.8, 2661.8]: The request was by the owners of nine parcels which are located land lots eight and nine of district twelve. The parcel become part of the unincorporated Henry King. The city council previously approved on April 30, 2024, deannexation of case number DXS two zero two four-zero one Matter Subdivision A, which concerns ten nearby parcels. So these nine parcels as are at one C [0:44:21, 0:44:39]: Asper road parcel 1A01023000. 165 ASPR Drive Parcel 0013A01024000. Also 195 Dasper Drive parcel number 013A0105000. [0:44:39, 0:44:59]: Uh then the three ten Corrith Drive, Par013A 01039000. 320 Corrith Drive, uh parcel number 013A 0103800. And uh 325 uh Corrid Drive, parcel number 013A02500. 510 uh Porthole uh Court parcel number zero three. [0:44:59, 0:45:08]: [2709.0, 2709.8]: So screaming. [0:45:10, 0:45:30]: Zero parser on age of window four seven zero zero zero. That's right. Okay. And uh five twenty four load drivers number zero three uh one excuse me one D A zero one zero four zero zero zero. We'll just number them together. Okay. So on that note, Mr. Hansen please. Okay. Uh this this D annexation is uh phase two of uh manual based subdivision. Um D annexation. [0:45:30, 0:45:50]: Uh back in April of this year, the Z Council approved for 10 properties to be DNA. And um on the screen up the nine properties to the previous team that are applying for dense line. June 11th County Board of Commissioner agreed to accept these properties. And according to legal review, there's nothing uh far as legal issues uh to prevent the city from uh approving this DNA. [0:45:49, 0:46:03]: Okay, Mr. Ronson, I may I misquoted here. This difficult uh action, yes, we have to vote on this and my full comment is voted on pre presentation. Counsel, any questions we have for Mr. Anst. Yes, ma'am. Did you recent new discoveries and not really [0:46:04, 0:46:04]: Done. [0:46:05, 0:46:10]: I would like an option now to speak with these landowners prior to voting on this. [0:46:11, 0:46:11]: Yeah, she did. [0:46:12, 0:46:14]: They're in my district and um [0:46:14, 0:46:21]: One of their there are several reasons there were there's particularly why they meant to de annex and they stated specifically. [0:46:22, 0:46:37]: And now those that has changed. And so because of that, I want an opportunity. I've asked that we table this until the next council meeting and that I receive an opportunity to contact each one of these particular properties. And I'm I think I'm gonna go ahead and tell my [0:46:37, 0:46:43]: Still that go ahead and proceed with me to the down hall, reach out to the one in the community for the mentally and the um [0:46:44, 0:46:46]: Well, just my district in general. I I'll do it. [0:46:46, 0:46:50]: But I'm definitely gonna speak to these individuals on this property one through number list. [0:46:51, 0:46:53]: If you don't mind, if there's no liner time frame. [0:46:54, 0:46:57]: I need permission. I'm asking for permission to table that due to the new animation. [0:46:57, 0:47:17]: Make that a motion, I'm assuming. Yes. Is there a second? Uh all favor please indicate. Okay. Now we have to take that. Okay. Okay. All right. Phone number nine now. Text case uh T X uh three four zero five or multi FR. Multifamily residences only doing this only, not for voting item. [0:47:17, 0:47:30]: All right. FR zoning district. Require front and door setbacks will be reduced fifty to thirty and a new site for architectural design presented to Ryan. Please. [0:47:31, 0:47:38]: Yes, this is an effort by us to approve um gat guidelines for impartial because currently there are um some loads where um [0:47:38, 0:47:40]: An applicant can develop um [0:47:41, 0:47:50]: Uh project not have direct look that the city council prefers. So we're trying to tighten up those um booboats and make it mandatory to have certain uh elements contained within return and for development. [0:47:52, 0:47:54]: Question for Mr. Anderson, Council. [0:47:54, 0:48:00]: Um so Mr. Boba. Mr. Anderson, I know that with recent uh proposals at Com Council [0:48:00, 0:48:04]: There have been variance requests um to reduce prior sex. [0:48:05, 0:48:07]: Ask us to amend a comprehensive plan. [0:48:08, 0:48:20]: This is gonna eliminate and to submit speech questions. Yes, and uh and some couple other things. Um we looked around and uh reviewed several other manipulations and uh most of them have a twenty five foot frame yard back for the embark and m and uh now city council has has usually been proven thirty feet. [0:48:21, 0:48:26]: So in and we decided to um recommend a thirty foot front yard spot for MR instead of the fifty. [0:48:27, 0:48:36]: But most jurisdictions have have a twenty five feet. And that's why we get so many variances pertaining to this because fifty feet is kinda um it's kinda large for um front yard set back town home development. [0:48:36, 0:48:39]: And that's that's um [0:48:39, 0:48:41]: But now we need reviewing. [0:48:42, 0:48:45]: Mul family development. [0:48:45, 0:48:56]: developments that were hopeful come to council as well. But I don't do it I don't approve this. And we have some single family homes um where they're dealed. Their homes [0:48:56, 0:49:16]: Three feet from the sidewalks. I don't I don't want to see our homes. Uh yes, that's in uh the SR and our districts. So they would still have to afford cancer apply for parents if they had any any DH in their requirements. So what's drawing this particular request from you? Mm we just trying to a better product in this overall product. Uh brick fronts and uh side elevations. Right now there's they're able to have a combination where they could just put up [0:49:16, 0:49:32]: most of the cement is fiber, just the little stone and brick. We want require a greater percentage of brick and stone and on the side elevations as well. Cause right now in the code, they just put a minimum a minimum of brick on the domes and steel code requirements. So you just want to up our design requirements to to give a better overall product for the city. [0:49:32, 0:49:52]: Okay, so I know the comprehensive plan, the council we spent, I don't know, a hundred or over a hundred thousand dollars to reloc all of the things weren't in that. Yes, yes ma'am. You're referring to the UDC? Yes, the UDC. Well the zoning ordinance usually they are uh what we call live. So that means from time to time amend them. So look that and we we um we adopted that back in twenty twenty two. [0:49:52, 0:49:53]: Now we're seeing that [0:49:54, 0:49:56]: [2996.7, 2998.2]: That the product is not satisfactory. [0:49:59, 0:50:04]: Based on the current standards in the current UDC. So basically what we're trying to do is improve what's currently in UDC to overall product. [0:50:04, 0:50:07]: Thank you, sir. All right. Go ahead, please. [0:50:07, 0:50:27]: Okay, thank you, sir. Let me say this. My house is thirty feet from the sea. And I think many of the houses in the subdivisions were built in our area or about thirty feet from the street. And that is has been customary for where we were in terms of the homes that we're dealing with. Personally we don't want [0:50:27, 0:50:47]: cut a whole lot of grass in the right. We just want to have baby to maintain it at the level need it is. But in terms of us um doing things, it's our adjustment to the multifamily ordinance here. The one thing we've been talking about is requirements. The metal three we came here to do a presentation against whatever you think missing fact when we take the notes or add it to it. Right. I think we should require the [0:50:47, 0:51:07]: So don't have to pay for the free lights going for it so much light should be included. Okay. Uh Miss Gangs talk the flight camera should be in here. That's it. Okay. Um and one thing that I always see that you see in very nice balance the main roof is the the pitch, the pitch the materials on the main roof is the general shield, right? But anything lower than [0:51:07, 0:51:27]: Main roof and build ice documents normally have the metal or tin below the main would be the shingles. But anything lower than that, let's say they did a port or get another like uh covering for uh another area that would then then be metal or some type of decorative material instead having cheap vinyls uh of cheap shingles on top of a [0:51:27, 0:51:46]: It would have a very nice covering. Okay, got that. Okay, for something. We already have D charging in there, right? That's what um it's not for development. So maybe if you have a a development number of homes, we want you to have a E V charge station that develops. But I'm saying for this is multifamily development, right? Yes. This not um it's not necessarily right now. We just [0:51:46, 0:51:47]: Uh [0:51:48, 0:51:49]: Use more and more units. [0:51:49, 0:52:09]: Okay, so basically isn't there if it's a whole more you negotiate. That's what you do, but okay, so need negotiate with the Okay, well it needs to be in there. It needs to be required going forward. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you, Mr. Anderson. All right. Uh I'm here in the conversation and I'm hearing you talk about [0:52:09, 0:52:10]: Yeah. [0:52:11, 0:52:14]: Construction of the units in the building here comes [0:52:14, 0:52:17]: I was a little confused because I thought it's a gent item. [0:52:17, 0:52:18]: What is dealing with [0:52:18, 0:52:19]: The setback. [0:52:19, 0:52:20]: No, it's a Lamonian. [0:52:21, 0:52:22]: Well I'm looking at [0:52:23, 0:52:27]: I'm looking at the document here. I'm looking at the background. [0:52:27, 0:52:30]: It's a fan cry for your setback, bada daddy. [0:52:31, 0:52:33]: Uh well, my point is this though. Um [0:52:33, 0:52:36]: I'm a little concerned with the change. [0:52:36, 0:52:39]: I'm looking for future. I'm not concerned about [0:52:39, 0:52:50]: uh widening of ropes, sidewalks, someone mentioned uh street lights. So I'm just so concerned about setback when [0:52:50, 0:52:55]: when we future and we don't have uh that room to do it because I know that [0:52:55, 0:53:05]: Road improvements does not keep up with developments. So we come with the development and then we gotta go back with road improvements, sidewalk, et cetera, et cetera. And you do this what you build. [0:53:06, 0:53:07]: And you can't come. [0:53:07, 0:53:13]: with the uh road improvements for an example Eastern Road, the improved act. [0:53:13, 0:53:16]: And we knew going in that we needed [0:53:17, 0:53:18]: Um to widen. [0:53:19, 0:53:33]: Eastern Line Road. But I don't know how we can do it now because we approve, you know, the setback. That that's that's that's my major term. And I just want to start just going for us to be a little caution, uh, especially if we're talking about improving roads for future. Because once you build, [0:53:34, 0:53:38]: And that that is amazing, and it was curving better. [0:53:39, 0:53:41]: Thank you. How are you back? No problem. Any other comments from the council? [0:53:42, 0:53:50]: Go ahead. Go ahead, please. I wanted to ask, okay, so this includes um major corridor as well, the setback for major corridor, not just the interior of the building. [0:53:51, 0:53:52]: Yes, it does. Yes, ma'am. [0:53:52, 0:53:53]: Thank you. [0:53:53, 0:54:13]: Questions? This is just appeal. That's just a presentation. We can take to the planning commission and bring it back. So we're taking this on this tonight. How can before you think we get it back? Uh we're taking the planning commission uh in eight in August. We'll be back with council. The first time we didn't set him, the city council meeting question. So no first includes emotion, right? So what's [0:54:13, 0:54:33]: like I think we the size of the towns in terms of uh the minimum amount allowed in certain different districts of the city. My desire is to have a more a larger town home requirement. So the townhome is indistinguishable between the town home and the single family home. The only in the town home the the larger townhomes and the single houses you don't have a [0:54:33, 0:54:53]: yard but once you walk in the door you should be able to tell a different in really nice development town homes are just like single family homes. Currently we have a minimum size requirement of fifteen hundred feet in the city for right I guess the different different certain areas you might want a larger size though what triggers that in terms of I want to in a certain area you might want a nicer larger town. Certainly don't want to exclude [0:54:53, 0:55:13]: exclude um every town home or being a big one or you know you might want to want a small home for 40. But we're keeping the same all down when there should should be some variation and what get we could probably look at about I mean I don't know if uh how this works out but we can look at maybe um a percentage breakdown, X not to be this size, X number have to be that size, and so on. [0:55:13, 0:55:15]: We could look into the S fees. [0:55:15, 0:55:35]: Right,'cause again there are town homes that are like I said, twenty five hundred, three thousand square feet. We have some of that so we don't keep keeping in a s a smaller fifteen to two thousand square foot town home being proposed. All right, thank you. Uh [0:55:35, 0:55:55]: Council consider Russian proved the renewal request for proposal RP number two zero two zero zero zero six on hall general change services for the established with Faculty Zach Consults L L C Mr. Yes Mr Mayor we're just for tonight to ask that we renew the contract balcon the second renewal under this agreement and as you're well aware faculty numerous prospects to see that they [0:55:55, 0:56:03]: are overseeing for us from CLIS to split and also uh water and sewer infrastructure. So we're asking for renewal of this contract to do the second renewal. [0:56:03, 0:56:05]: I thank you. Questions, Council? [0:56:05, 0:56:25]: No question emotion. So moved. Is there second? Mr. Mr. Dan on presentate. Thank you very much. Uh council consideration renewed contract uh RFP and zero one eight zero zero one zero q non has a waste of post services uh public services in the amount of uh fifty five thousand dollars uh funding work [0:56:25, 0:56:45]: Mr. Please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. We're coming tonight to act to uh renew the contract with the public so that we can take sludge to the first whole there are one of the landfills in the state that takes uh sludge generated from the wet water treatment process. So we're asking for approval. [0:56:45, 0:56:46]: Got it. [0:56:46, 0:56:47]: [3408.0, 3412.7]: I moved. Is there a second? So Ms. Gandhaus in our favor, please indicate. [0:56:53, 0:57:09]: Thank you, Ms. Mayor. Um just wanna make sure Miss Barber. I'll abstand and I have comment too. Okay you'll stay a four zero one Miss Burgoy's comment. Okay. I'm not standing because the copy of contract is simple. I couldn't read it at all. [0:57:10, 0:57:10]: Cut. [0:57:11, 0:57:24]: Mr. Go ahead, please. Okay. Let me I just want to ask you a question and certainly we're not taking action on it. And when you previous about um the landscaping contract near downtown Stockbridge, you were attempting to extend that contract to the end of twenty twenty five, right? [0:57:25, 0:57:35]: With yellow? Yes. Uh we renewed the contract but one right before we asked for additional funding that we had budgeted so that when certain issues came up they wanna be added to that contract we could. [0:57:35, 0:57:55]: Right. Was that contract I mean we subsequent that we extended contracts to the UN? Was that contract ended twenty twenty five or extended to the end of the year? It was extended to twenty twenty five. Okay, so are we able to lock in a rate for this year continuing to that? Yes sir. Okay, and before you leave, so what uh are you prepared that we need in order to maintain the area or did do you need [0:57:55, 0:57:56]: So don't for council. [0:57:57, 0:57:59]: But he speaks partic particularly speaking in the century. [0:57:59, 0:58:05]: Well I sent an email to Peter asking if you wanted me to get a quote from Yellow Talk to include that [0:58:05, 0:58:20]: In there was me that motion that anything on the fifty five thousand dollars, Mr. Marcus, and anything above that would have come before council, probably without the June meetings out we all just don't get a quote from India with the manager. So we do serve. Thank you. Yes. Okay. [0:58:20, 0:58:27]: All right. So consideration of contract number twenty four zero four financial audit services one and J can certified accountants. Mr. Gunnar, please. [0:58:39, 0:58:58]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um we have for us uh contract to award a contract to uh Holden and Jenkins for Finance Audit Service um for for December twenty fiscal years ending in December thirty first, twenty twenty-four through twenty twenty-five, twenty twenty-six, twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight. [0:58:58, 0:59:18]: Um so it will be full in accordance with the building standards. Um bid put out a bid was awarded there were three uh bidders that were part of that Multin Jenkins, CK, CKH, CPA, advised group, HCT, Spire Public Accounts and Consult, with Jenkins being rank one, and the cost of trading the staff recognition to award the country Molton and Jenkins for the first year 62. [0:59:18, 0:59:29]: five, sixty two thousand five hundred, six and number two uh sixty five, you know three, sixty seven five, number f number three, excuse me, seventy, and yen number seventy two. [0:59:30, 0:59:33]: Good questions, Council, Mr. Garner. Playboard. [0:59:34, 0:59:40]: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mayor Um Mr. Notice that this proposal contract that is recommending um [0:59:40, 0:59:44]: All covers the fiscal year of twenty twenty four through twenty twenty eight. [0:59:45, 0:59:46]: So what about [0:59:47, 0:59:53]: the auditing of our twenty twenty three financials. There's under that contract, and that's the reason why that contract ends above this year. [0:59:53, 0:59:57]: Okay, so the council approved a director, engineering of Bishop. [0:59:57, 0:59:58]: Um [0:59:58, 1:00:00]: Requiring step two. [1:00:00, 1:00:01]: Most solicitation. [1:00:01, 1:00:04]: Searching for a new autograph. Yes. [1:00:04, 1:00:06]: I have some concerns. Yes, sir. [1:00:06, 1:00:10]: Everybody here have concerns. In fact, I have a open complaint. [1:00:10, 1:00:12]: That includes regarding [1:00:13, 1:00:14]: The independent audit. [1:00:14, 1:00:16]: Independent office are important. [1:00:17, 1:00:23]: Because they A and N and tech RC's financial reporting systems and the internal process. [1:00:23, 1:00:28]: The CA firms are independent auditors expect to be unbiased, hence the term independent. [1:00:29, 1:00:31]: In the odds provided no checks and balances. [1:00:32, 1:00:33]: Promote NPC and I'll [1:00:33, 1:00:36]: Independent helps identify potential risk. [1:00:36, 1:00:40]: I don't understand a statement of finances are caused by manera or fraud. [1:00:40, 1:00:41]: I just want to make sure. [1:00:41, 1:00:43]: That um [1:00:45, 1:00:48]: This auditing firm or whatever auditing firm they can also choose. [1:00:48, 1:00:49]: They understand. [1:00:50, 1:00:51]: That the [1:00:51, 1:00:52]: Contract. [1:00:52, 1:00:56]: The engagement letter from the audit burn is to be addressed specifically. [1:00:56, 1:01:05]: To the governing body to include all final results and observations. They must be addressed to the governing body and must be delivered to the governing body. [1:01:05, 1:01:07]: I stand that in the past I have handled [1:01:08, 1:01:09]: The independent audit. [1:01:09, 1:01:11]: Provide it to the council. [1:01:11, 1:01:13]: That happened that didn't happen with the twenty two. [1:01:14, 1:01:14]: Oddals. [1:01:15, 1:01:19]: I have serious concerns. Um so I just want to make those for the record. [1:01:19, 1:01:20]: Um that's all. [1:01:21, 1:01:22]: Yes, sir. Good place. [1:01:23, 1:01:30]: Uh sorry, I I I barely hear you. You mentioned when the question was asked about the twenty twenty three are [1:01:31, 1:01:44]: Which would be your answer. So Molden and Jenkins are still a contract and looked at with the they have new new contract if approved by council will staff for this fill year moving forward into twenty twenty. They were still on the existing contract to fill up until the end this year. [1:01:45, 1:01:46]: So the country. [1:01:47, 1:02:03]: to free an obligation for twenty twenty three. Twenty twenty four twenty twenty four twenty twenty three, yes, for F twenty eight. So you look at that so that report completed in prison. [1:02:03, 1:02:05]: Okay. [1:02:05, 1:02:11]: And I guess my problem is [1:02:12, 1:02:16]: And I'm trying to be real delicate as how I phrase my my comment. Um [1:02:18, 1:02:20]: It would something sit well with me. [1:02:20, 1:02:23]: Uh in the process we did not see [1:02:24, 1:02:44]: dumb body that now see the information. I've been here long enough, Mo uh Marlon Jenkins, and up until a certain point, it just seemed that the reporting to the government body saw change. And I was concerned with that enough still concern about twenty twenty three. Here we are trying to prove twenty twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven [1:02:44, 1:02:50]: And I know it's in city's favor as he proved on a year basis. [1:02:50, 1:02:53]: I'm just a problem with that. And I'm just not ready. [1:02:55, 1:02:57]: Gibbs type an extension. [1:02:58, 1:03:00]: The barrel's bound is reset. [1:03:00, 1:03:01]: And how [1:03:01, 1:03:03]: We receive the art. [1:03:03, 1:03:21]: and have conversation there in. So I just I'll just have a problem. So I cannot approve this until we actually and I asked how they won't hear today so I can ask some direct questions. But to approve as standard number because um some is I have and I don't think you can those I just like to ask these questions directly to Mullin J. [1:03:21, 1:03:26]: Thank you, Mayor. All right, no problem. Any comments? When so [1:03:26, 1:03:30]: Modern engines are coming to a twenty twenty three audit in center. [1:03:30, 1:03:50]: Is that their normal time present presentation past years? Have they presented the for the year out? It's always been in September. Okay. So from year past usually the presentation is done between months of August and October. For the year b after because you can't wait until it's complete. [1:03:50, 1:03:59]: Right. So twenty twenty-four, late twenty-five to get the audit report because you gotta finish your year, correct? In addition to that, let me ask you this, is there um [1:04:02, 1:04:10]: Is there a particular uh and I've heard about this audio let me think about this really cannot work this if [1:04:10, 1:04:15]: uh the contract. We put out you heard a comment that was stated that we were to put out [1:04:15, 1:04:25]: I staff to put out for a financial officer service again. Is that correct? Yes. Did we do that? Did we perform that? And how many people came back with that? Three. [1:04:26, 1:04:34]: And then ranked and scored based off of performance, based off of uh expertise. Well, how are they ranked and scored? Yes. So the reports were evaluated. Um [1:04:35, 1:04:43]: Based on the front qualifications, you personnel, technical process, product management, experience, cost. Okay. All right. So it it's based off of that. And [1:04:44, 1:04:55]: Prior to that, in the year 2023, we not received did or did we not receive an audit report from Mom and Jenkins. [1:04:55, 1:05:09]: Right to twenty twenty two? Two twenty three. Did we receive one for twenty twenty two? Okay. Still in that time frame between August You got it November. Okay. So there are two types of audit. [1:05:10, 1:05:30]: When you get over a certain amount of federal dollars you require to have a single audit, which is a little bit more intense than your typical audit. When you have X I'm sorry, when you they're they're typically two audits. So when you think we're voting five hundred thousand dollars or more of federal dollars you're required to do a single audit based on feds and that's a little more intensive and as you know, the city of Stuck but most cities got cares acting. Um from [1:05:29, 1:05:49]: From the feds, I mean the upper funds from the feds. So that required us because you've got Starkbridge got around a million dollars um of uh upper funds. And I do not do not because it wasn't here how much you all actually got in cares, but because you're similar to each point, so it's probably been somewhere around six, seven million dollars. Um so that based on those two folks just required to do a single audit, which is a bit more intense than the other. [1:05:49, 1:06:09]: Okay. And so that because of that said it in August through September it came it came out and that was our and that and I understand of it, that was our first time getting in this year. Obviously they've done badge because now f the subway is fairly big of the federal ones. Okay. So we'll probably be in the same order for that. [1:06:09, 1:06:11]: Let me ask you whether or not. [1:06:11, 1:06:12]: We [1:06:12, 1:06:17]: We did have a change in um with internally with our treasure, is that not correct? [1:06:17, 1:06:20]: Yes. And when was that change? What month was that? [1:06:21, 1:06:41]: I think Mr Rigans left in October, I think it might have been. October. October twenty twenty three. Yes, right. So a year. Or was it to our new chest or how long was the gap in between in in order to get these numbers and everything together for the auditor? Because we have students as well, correct? Yes, sir. So you're [1:06:41, 1:06:43]: The entire staff and Mr Wins left. [1:06:44, 1:07:04]: So the entire staff turned over when Mr. Williams left. So you have your interim uh treasurer and we got a new and two new accounting who um can and they have been working the lead uh with auditors to get all the information they necessarily the the FY tree. Okay. So based off of the statements that you made, some parts that I call is one you have. [1:07:04, 1:07:06]: And director change in staff. [1:07:07, 1:07:09]: Or the pos in and treasure darkness. [1:07:09, 1:07:28]: Complete change. Two, not unusual for us to receive our reports during this time frame 2022. That's a delay because we also received our for the cares and ARP fund. Is that correct? That's right. And three, we have chose and staff had recommended that we also approve on construct twenty twenty for dash zero to Malden and Jenkins. [1:07:29, 1:07:36]: Based off of ranking and we did exactly what Yeah, we I'm sorry, staff did exactly what was requested, would put it back out, right? Forbid. [1:07:36, 1:07:43]: And and you've got them through their expertise and staff and all of the things that we have to do in order for them to qualify, correct? [1:07:43, 1:07:52]: Yes, ma'am. All right. And you have uh full fa in your they would make the right decision on that, right? Yes, ma'am. All right. I'm just asking. And I know I said I come in court, I'm sorry, I've in court. [1:07:52, 1:07:57]: But no, I have it. Um and so I just wanna make points and everyone listen to those points. [1:07:57, 1:08:17]: To take into consideration of the entire to flood chances. And now I'm out here trying to say, let's go ahead and vote. I can do and vote after they present it if everybody's waiting to till they're comfortable renewed the contract, unless there's some rush. I appreciate staff. Thank you for being proactive to get those items. They're coming in September and it are [1:08:17, 1:08:27]: members still have questions in regards to that, then I totally honor the suggestions suggest that was mentioned. Um I just want to break point across so that it can be noted. [1:08:27, 1:08:43]: For reasons and that this is not unusual. That's all. And I appreciate you. Thank you. And follow up question. One one second, please. Ms. Burke, please. Um Ms. Gardener, uh Miss Pincrett was here but the [1:08:43, 1:08:45]: You have Mr twenty four winter. [1:08:45, 1:09:01]: No, so that's for that was last last November for FY twenty the F last November twenty two strictly over the FY twenty two. She'd not been she had not been here twenty. No, so not yet. The the coming September. So the last she was here, she reported on the year five twenty two. [1:09:01, 1:09:02]: Twenty two. [1:09:02, 1:09:03]: Two. Yes, sir. [1:09:05, 1:09:22]: FY twenty two is reviewed and FY twenty three, FY twenty three will be done FY twenty four, FY twenty four will be reviewed F twenty five. That's December thirty first. So once a fiscal year ends and they close out the books and that's the the year the previous years audited. That's not nationwide. No, no, I I on an ad point. I'm I'm just trying to [1:09:23, 1:09:43]: Recollect because I'm picturing uh the documents that I have uh 2022, 2021 going back. And I was trying to recollect the time frame of when the report was given. And I know she was here um recently and I just can recall the issue of the report on, but the left document. [1:09:43, 1:09:45]: [4185.3, 4185.8]: Thank you. [1:09:46, 1:09:49]: Yes. Gartner if he wanted. [1:09:49, 1:10:09]: I was just gonna say that, you know, the goals to get this earlier to you guys how as you as I mentioned, you know, we had turnover and staff, um left. Um we had another gentleman and he left um for another job collected to somewhere else. And so we obviously ran through process and brought somebody on who hopefully with us for a while. Um and um she was she had to get acclimated to [1:10:09, 1:10:17]: Accommitted to what's going on and how things procedures and working with existing staff and what you are here for you now. And then you've been put on the board. I wanted to stay with a while. [1:10:17, 1:10:18]: Mm-hmm. [1:10:18, 1:10:25]: Yes, uh thank you Mr. Gar, I appreciate that. So I wanted to just provide clarity for the curtain. As I mentioned, I do have a um [1:10:25, 1:10:30]: complaint that I filed in regards to the independent odd process. It's independent for [1:10:31, 1:10:34]: It was being given right to the government, not to staff. [1:10:35, 1:10:38]: Age better in prior years, specifically six [1:10:39, 1:10:40]: Response to um [1:10:41, 1:10:45]: The directive that was given to staff in January of this year. [1:10:45, 1:10:56]: In fact, it was their council meeting of this year. The directive was staff to uh post or solicit um new proposals for number and to bring back staff's recommendation. [1:10:56, 1:10:57]: Up toward. [1:10:57, 1:11:00]: to a new auditing by our March council meeting. [1:11:01, 1:11:02]: That was the directed [1:11:02, 1:11:10]: But it's in the meeting minutes. Yes, ma'am. And based on what Ms. Arnold mentioned, that he hadn't covered in both and procurement. Um [1:11:10, 1:11:13]: I've been asking about board of this contract. [1:11:13, 1:11:14]: Smart. [1:11:15, 1:11:15]: Fight. [1:11:16, 1:11:16]: Um [1:11:16, 1:11:21]: But nonetheless, we're here now concerned about the process, as was last year. [1:11:22, 1:11:23]: The fact that [1:11:23, 1:11:26]: The auditor didn't present to the council until November. [1:11:26, 1:11:27]: Yeah. [1:11:29, 1:11:32]: That was that no fault of um not having stuff. [1:11:33, 1:11:35]: That was not due to staff all. [1:11:36, 1:11:38]: It was due to council interference. [1:11:38, 1:11:43]: Council gave a directive to hold the independent on a November. [1:11:43, 1:11:44]: Last year. [1:11:44, 1:11:45]: So when the auto did present [1:11:46, 1:11:47]: She gave maybe a five. [1:11:48, 1:11:51]: ten minute presentation and it wasn't presentation, she didn't show us anything. [1:11:52, 1:11:54]: What happened was while she was here. [1:11:54, 1:11:55]: Staff. [1:11:55, 1:11:57]: As we're sitting on the dice as we are right now. [1:11:58, 1:12:01]: And a helipus. [1:12:01, 1:12:09]: Copies of the Kapper report, not the independent audit. It was the Kapper report. And the reason why I had asked him since July 2023. [1:12:10, 1:12:14]: To receive a copy of the independent audit, root, not internal. [1:12:14, 1:12:16]: Catherine reports. [1:12:16, 1:12:18]: The independent audit report [1:12:19, 1:12:20]: For twenty twenty two. [1:12:21, 1:12:25]: Just been to this council on thirty four. [1:12:26, 1:12:30]: Let me say that again. The twenty twenty-two independent audit results. [1:12:31, 1:12:36]: were finally given to the council April of April thirtieth, twenty twenty four. [1:12:36, 1:12:38]: I've been asking Tim Uh's. [1:12:38, 1:12:44]: I'll be real clear, when it comes to finances of this city, the governing body has a fiduciary responsibility. [1:12:44, 1:12:50]: To ensure that we find to status our city. It is our responsibility to ensure there is no waste, fraud, or abuse. [1:12:51, 1:12:56]: We can't do our job this being interfered with. This infant's supposed to come directly to the governing body. [1:12:57, 1:13:02]: The engaged letter in five years have been stick. It addressed to the mayor and council. [1:13:03, 1:13:04]: So coincidentally. [1:13:05, 1:13:09]: Last year the engagement letter was changed to include staff [1:13:09, 1:13:15]: I don't want to go a whole lot of details specific regarding the independent that were filing given to the council for the twenty [1:13:15, 1:13:20]: Twenty two by details because I do have [1:13:20, 1:13:21]: To some point. [1:13:21, 1:13:22]: Regarding [1:13:22, 1:13:24]: And there is another complaint that I've stated. [1:13:25, 1:13:27]: We can move along with this, but I do have more questions. [1:13:28, 1:13:28]: Um [1:13:29, 1:13:31]: Oh yeah. [1:13:31, 1:13:36]: We're working with that, Mr. Barton. We're working together to make sure that all our numbers are correct because he put it up there in his phone. [1:13:36, 1:13:42]: Yes. All go hear it now. So where we hear the thing is one hundred percent correct mail. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. [1:13:43, 1:13:49]: Ms. Gang Boy, please. Thank you. Um everyone got immune code and the city is operating. On November thirteenth, twenty twenty three. Not [1:13:50, 1:13:56]: In twenty twenty-three. Again, twenty twenty-two, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, is twenty twenty four. November thirteenth, twenty twenty-three. [1:13:58, 1:14:00]: On presentation agenda. [1:14:00, 1:14:08]: Item number five, the twenty-two auditor discussion analysis of the annual comprehensive financial report from Alden and Jeans took place. [1:14:09, 1:14:13]: That took place on November thirteenth, twenty twenty. The Municode. [1:14:14, 1:14:28]: The mids are here to discuss what Miss Pendergrass noted that while the city approved the three point seven seven million rates, sit sisters are already paying one point nine oh four, kept talking about the summary, what she talked about in regards to finance report in year of the odd of twenty twenty two. [1:14:28, 1:14:29]: There detailed. [1:14:30, 1:14:43]: It continues on all questions that we asked. It even has no council asked the auditor to explain any audit adjustments or the audit adjustments because they were made to be of concern. 2023. November 2023. [1:14:43, 1:14:56]: A twenty twenty-three audit was discussed. As Mr. Gardner mentioned, it was actually presented to us. In addition, at that twenty twenty-three number five ja item, Councilwoman Barber even chin made a request to receive a copying letter. [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: Audit. [1:14:57, 1:15:04]: And the ministry reports are the adjustments that were submitted to the management staff from all the things, because that's the way it was explained to us during the audit review. [1:15:06, 1:15:06]: Yeah. [1:15:07, 1:15:07]: You know. [1:15:08, 1:15:22]: I was just told heard comments and statements, not in court. Again, I'm not in court, but I want don't want to mislead the public. I don't want that. Each and every one of us are passionate here. I don't want to go back and forth, but I do want the facts to be state and [1:15:22, 1:15:24]: It's here in black and white. [1:15:24, 1:15:26]: That did take place in twenty twenty four. [1:15:27, 1:15:35]: We discussed audit and it was presented by Baldon and Dickens, Pentagras, on November, 2023. And it was the 2022, as we have explained before. [1:15:36, 1:15:43]: Two three will be during the September between August and September meaning August through October, one of those dates, once you have everything. [1:15:43, 1:15:44]: twenty twenty four being twenty twenty five. [1:15:45, 1:15:48]: But in our minutes. [1:15:49, 1:16:09]: Let me just say this. Mr. Gardner, I thank you all. You guys executed. You went through the process. You put it out. It came back. Mald Indians audit over three hundred seats in the state of Georgia. They are by far the largest auditing firm from small cities to large municipalities. They have done uh they are we have full faith. [1:16:09, 1:16:29]: confidence in their ability to execute. I I often wonder sometimes about questions. It's always easy asked questions, but I haven't heard any facts about any funding this way or that way. Money missing or I'm going around it. It is it is complex that this job is part and part science. There's a one plus two is four. [1:16:29, 1:16:32]: There is a lot of we need to do to move the needle forward. [1:16:32, 1:16:52]: When I got on this council, the budget was eight point six dollars. I remember that number just like it was yesterday. And Mr. What what what is the budget uh the budget for the poll budget for the upcoming year alternative number you think we near? It's uh that twenty nine. General on yes. Twenty nine. So we've gone from a eight point six million dollar budget in my first year to almost thirty [1:16:52, 1:17:00]: million dollar budget. The complexity of that budget has changed over time, going from eight million dollars to thirty million dollars. Is that correct? [1:17:00, 1:17:20]: Yes, sir. And in the midst of that, in last year when we're done at eight point six we were growing, we added a whole fleet department in order to in order to protect public safety spending dollars, spending additional care styles, spending additional American rescue plan fund dollars that were brought into the city to make uh additional improvements all strived for when we took [1:17:20, 1:17:21]: This gun. [1:17:21, 1:17:33]: So as you have exchanged those extra dollars require extra time of staff and it is required extra time uh to put those reports together in the midst of turmoil and turnover of staff members. [1:17:33, 1:17:39]: And it might be said because of interference that those have members may not potentially be possibly. [1:17:40, 1:18:00]: And it is without saying that staff changes have affected our ability to be turn on a dime and to create the different information that uh that it will require. Because an experienced season person that was already there would know what a bathroom is. They would know what information was to be able to retrieve it versus constantly have to go through the process [1:18:00, 1:18:03]: [4684.2, 4701.6]: the points that the complexity of the of this particular process has been consistent and as Ms. Gantt indicated, with the city insisted and time frame to have allotted and these reports come in and reports have come in what the re but general consists of what Maldon and Genius has included has included about cities audits. [1:18:22, 1:18:23]: Year to year. [1:18:23, 1:18:40]: Um yeah the city's had uh um well uh I forget how it does, but and uh it's been a a clear audit, but they have had like let's define areas where I think and need to make improvements. Um that happens in pretty much every audit. They're gonna find something and they're gonna do you this is what we found and you need to address these issues. [1:18:41, 1:18:55]: So no there's 100 cleaning audit. Um not for any seat available. And and one thing I think the mayor and I were having this conversation, we we were at a gathering just the other day, and the mayor likes to say this that the amphitheater made off Mayor? And one year from uh August twenty. [1:18:55, 1:19:15]: In order to do that, it affected uh we were able to do that because we were financially sound. Right. There's no way we would pay off the debt if we had not been financially sound on a twenty million dollar facility in five years. It worked. Now certainly we could have taken our early year uh extended bond in order to pay for it, but being that we were on [1:19:15, 1:19:35]: On top of that, we were able to some cash out of the reserves to pay for the facility and then come back and need it, saving the taxpayers millions of dollars over the time in order to do that. Right? Absolutely. And those are the kind of principles that we put in place and to the solid foundation in order to do that. Think about that. Again, we put off a nearly, we're gonna pay off a nearly two million dollar facility. [1:19:35, 1:19:36]: that the public adores. [1:19:37, 1:19:48]: In less than five years because the city was so financial sound. That's the whole statement by itself and in how the city has been run and how we run our finances. [1:19:49, 1:20:06]: Well in regards to the uh farm me and stewards here and uh being a part of the history of everything, um I just wanted to ask a couple of questions. Um is the issue or I guess the the concern about the results or is it about the follow-up of the results? Like we're I guess my my addressing to you is one of the major concerns. [1:20:06, 1:20:18]: We have more than Jenkins and but they be mitigated by going to another firm. Like is the issue are we chasing it in our egg? Is it the issue with the results of the art or the actions like been seeing discover or the lack of discovery? Like where where is the [1:20:19, 1:20:20]: The chat. [1:20:22, 1:20:22]: [4822.9, 4842.6]: I can answer the question. Um I mean Mother Jenkins is a renowned auditing firm. Um I said Mother Jenkins is a renowned um auditing firm. Um I I always tell you there's no perfect person that's in um the perfect person we know left here two thousand twenty-four years ago. There's about um [1:20:42, 1:20:53]: So is it a perfect auditor? No. Is the perfect protest? No. Um but uh you know, we put a bit and if the council don't like Martin Lenkins, even if you put him a contract, spiral. [1:20:54, 1:21:02]: Literally. You can always engage, get a sixty or thirty-day notice, and throw it and go with somebody's. Uh that's pretty much standard contract. Standard language. Um [1:21:02, 1:21:12]: But no, obviously there was some hip with them doing the F Y twenty two. I think one of the issues was this was a that was our first year under federal going I think um [1:21:12, 1:21:15]: I think that they used to turn a lot of these, but I still audit Vic. So [1:21:16, 1:21:36]: You know, this year we made it personally to get his audit done and get it together. That's because the timing was everybody some some kind of complaint about the time. And so we worked diligently to make sure we get it able then, you know, we're gonna try to get it to to the first meeting in September. If you get it earlier, we'll make that happen at the last one. But definitely we've made some strides there. And last question, how you did forget the two. [1:21:36, 1:21:49]: to readdress the concerns about pinna on address to the council L tag. I would make sure how hard it's to just redirect that question. I will make sure that it did that's understood. That goes from from council member um Barber's comment team, and I will make sure that they address those issues. [1:21:49, 1:22:03]: Yes, sir. I also need a motion, um a motion to other septists contract. So let me make one more comment that feels necessary at this point. I think one of the reasons that you keep the staff involved in the process is to move the politics of it. [1:22:03, 1:22:11]: You don't want it to get up here and somebody's just saying this, that is going on with all that. We want to be completely rude on that, getting the information as we should get it. [1:22:12, 1:22:25]: Okay. But at the same you don't want the council overly involved in the process of doing what's necessary to make that happen. And Maldon and Lincolns are up more confidence to do it. Certainly it should be this issue should not be political. Maldon and Dickins is solid. [1:22:27, 1:22:34]: Before okay, I'm gonna do something. Listen listen. Thomas Barber. That's it. Do we gotta take a list? Move on, right? [1:22:34, 1:22:36]: The only thing I wanna say, Mayor, is [1:22:37, 1:22:40]: I was elected here in the city of Origin twenty eleven. [1:22:40, 1:22:43]: For the most part, Marlin and Jacob have been here. [1:22:43, 1:22:44]: So [1:22:45, 1:22:47]: I just buy my concerns. [1:22:48, 1:22:50]: I guess incumbent upon all but to make sure. [1:22:51, 1:22:52]: Yeah we right. [1:22:53, 1:22:55]: Uh someone stated Mullin Jacan. [1:22:55, 1:22:57]: Work for a number of municipalities. [1:22:57, 1:22:59]: True, they are professionals. [1:23:00, 1:23:01]: This is their job. [1:23:02, 1:23:03]: This is what they're paid to do. [1:23:04, 1:23:05]: The city measure [1:23:06, 1:23:09]: And all of the staff that we have here, that bad job. [1:23:10, 1:23:11]: What they pay to do. [1:23:11, 1:23:16]: Yes, there are challenges, yes. But at the end of the day, you have to get the job done. [1:23:17, 1:23:19]: If you had to be all you could done. [1:23:19, 1:23:23]: Oh, I'm not trying to get in the way. [1:23:24, 1:23:29]: just trying to make sure that it is done correctly. Because one thing about financial reports [1:23:30, 1:23:34]: If the council is held to make decisions, [1:23:34, 1:23:39]: for this municipality. We have to have this information in for us to make a [1:23:40, 1:23:43]: intelligent, disease and and what I talk about all the time. [1:23:43, 1:23:50]: Just do your job, do it right, give us the information. And if it's supposed to report to the council, then you report to the council. [1:23:51, 1:23:58]: That's on could I say I've been Marlon and Jenkins. We have never had any issues with Marlon and Jenkins in the past, but for what some odd reason. [1:23:59, 1:24:05]: Lately we we ran into some kind of roadblock and just the report just not come forward. [1:24:05, 1:24:07]: And I'm just concerned as to why. [1:24:08, 1:24:12]: And I'm not accusing anybody interfering with process. [1:24:12, 1:24:13]: But I didn't update now. [1:24:14, 1:24:15]: And that was my concern. [1:24:16, 1:24:18]: I've been dealing with Marlon Jenkins twenty eleven. [1:24:19, 1:24:22]: And hadn't had any problem with him. Now they didn't close in mirror. [1:24:23, 1:24:43]: We expect and we contract anyone to work for the city of the rear. Just do your job. And I'm not saying they have not. But this is what we expect. So any excuses that should make I'm getting into that. If you can't do the job, say you can't do the job. But I'm just saying when we contract out anyone, we expect them to do the job and nothing less. So I don't have any problem. I expect them to do [1:24:43, 1:24:52]: the job. They are professional. So we have staff here. I expect staff to do the job just as citizens. And they let us set position, they expect us to do the job. [1:24:53, 1:24:57]: We all are expected to staff, council, contractors, [1:24:58, 1:25:18]: Everybody, our attorneys. We're expecting to do a job. And it's up to all us to just to make sure as much as we can that folks do their job. But nothing just what I'm saying is I just want folks to do a job. Give me information so I can make decisions that I need to make. Thank you, Mayor. Um Miss Brother Les Pellman, go ahead, please. Yes, uh so if it is a desire of the council to award the contract to [1:25:18, 1:25:19]: Um [1:25:19, 1:25:21]: Auditing from a staff recommending. [1:25:21, 1:25:24]: But I'll make sure that um engage a letter. [1:25:25, 1:25:26]: Um is specific. [1:25:28, 1:25:29]: That language [1:25:30, 1:25:31]: Describes the process. [1:25:32, 1:25:36]: The auditing arm to send the results directly to somebody. [1:25:37, 1:25:52]: I just want to make sure that that is um included. So the CAF report has provided to the council during the November 13th, 2023 meeting, that was the CAF report, certified or comprehensive county, that are internal staff or finance department. [1:25:52, 1:25:57]: They provide that. They prepare it, they combine, they compile all the information. [1:25:57, 1:26:01]: For ten months I was sick in a request, email and even in these meetings. [1:26:01, 1:26:04]: Mel makes emails. [1:26:04, 1:26:07]: Where the independent results directly from [1:26:08, 1:26:09]: Make sure that that is the right. [1:26:09, 1:26:15]: Staff kept giving me the capprint in lieu of the independent officers direct firm. [1:26:16, 1:26:20]: That's all I'll say'cause I still have open complaints regarding this process. Thank you. [1:26:21, 1:26:24]: I don't know if uh the section of the single. [1:26:25, 1:26:25]: Is there a motion? [1:26:26, 1:26:27]: Some more. [1:26:27, 1:26:30]: I see it. [1:26:31, 1:26:33]: But he overcent. [1:26:33, 1:26:33]: Pusando. [1:26:34, 1:26:37]: That's correct. Favorite mo your favor? [1:26:37, 1:26:50]: Okay, four. Four favor. Okay. Four favorite favor and some I'll abstain. Four zero one. All right. Thank you. Most four zero one. All right. What is next is the mid F what twenty for mid year review. Ms. Gaines, please. [1:26:53, 1:26:54]: Evening. [1:26:56, 1:26:57]: Didn't you? [1:27:10, 1:27:11]: Mm-hmm. [1:27:23, 1:27:25]: I'm going to redo the year to date. [1:27:26, 1:27:27]: Made review for you. Yes. [1:27:29, 1:27:35]: This just takes the mission of the Finance Party awareness to provide public and consultation to the sea regarding all of its finances. [1:27:36, 1:27:37]: Yeah, I see. [1:27:39, 1:27:42]: Okay. Thank you. [1:27:43, 1:27:53]: Okay, this is just an overview of all the funds, general funds included along with the enterprises and to date. For the month of June, we've collected four million dollars in revenue. [1:27:56, 1:28:13]: We have breakdown of the revenue by class, taxes, licenses and permits, intergovernment revenues, charge services, finances and forfeitures, investment income, miscellaneous revenue, which comes to a total collected so far$9,715,228. And the diagram shows you the various classes. [1:28:14, 1:28:22]: For the expenditures, and these are broken up by department groups. So far for 2024, we've been$9.5 million. [1:28:25, 1:28:32]: It's a breakdown of renewing spend this department. It shows you how the department has accumulated to the nine point four million dollars. [1:28:36, 1:28:46]: This is a more detailed breakdown of expenses in compared comparison to 2023. And we're on track with the spending and expenses collected as in prior year. [1:28:52, 1:28:56]: This is another look at your revenue and collection and sp expenses. [1:28:58, 1:29:05]: Broke down by category and it shows the original budgeted amount what was collected for the month and how it was collected um for the entire year. [1:29:09, 1:29:21]: And as previously stated, our debt obligations we have debts that will be paid off as of last 2022, which will give the city an additional two point seven million dollar that can allocate to future projects, which shows a 40% increase in debt services. [1:29:25, 1:29:31]: This charges your revenue expenses by month that have been collected and expended for the year before so are. [1:29:33, 1:29:35]: There was a huge collection in April. [1:29:42, 1:29:50]: The Amphet, the Amphitheater is doing pretty good right now. Expenditures as well as the three million dollars. So it's kinda rigging right now. [1:29:51, 1:30:00]: As of June there were four shows performed so far and we still at Levin Remain for season. Completed shows for July and we're going to April shows. [1:30:05, 1:30:13]: And that was pretty much it for presentation. Yes, sir. We'll start. [1:30:15, 1:30:16]: All right. [1:30:20, 1:30:20]: Yes. [1:30:27, 1:30:29]: Yes. Mm-hmm. [1:30:32, 1:30:33]: Yes. [1:30:34, 1:30:34]: Yeah. [1:30:43, 1:30:45]: Um I can air now. [1:30:45, 1:30:52]: The budgets are out at two million dollars and we had an opportunity on the need for a budget adjustment. The revenue collected has upset the spending. [1:30:52, 1:30:54]: Okay. So but but itself. [1:30:55, 1:30:57]: Yes, ma'am. We've exceeded that. [1:30:58, 1:31:01]: When the businesses are looking at our budget. [1:31:01, 1:31:03]: They have concerns because the actual [1:31:04, 1:31:05]: That is showing [1:31:06, 1:31:09]: thousand or fifteen dollars that I actually been spent. [1:31:10, 1:31:13]: I understand with the ampathy operations. [1:31:13, 1:31:15]: The flow of the financial is kinda liquid. [1:31:16, 1:31:19]: You got a lot of trash going on all the time. [1:31:19, 1:31:21]: Um in Throughout the month. Yes. [1:31:21, 1:31:24]: Are you working with um [1:31:25, 1:31:25]: Yeah [1:31:26, 1:31:34]: Director Bampier on magic m monthly expenses and revenues. Or something in Yes ma'am You are receiving monthly statements? [1:31:34, 1:31:41]: No cannot receive a monthly statements, no ma'am. Okay. That is important. Because we need someone [1:31:41, 1:31:44]: An employee or someone's finance. [1:31:44, 1:31:45]: Who is tasked with [1:31:46, 1:31:47]: Checks and balances. [1:31:47, 1:31:50]: А вони кармормані. [1:31:51, 1:31:52]: Someone authorized. [1:31:52, 1:31:55]: They spend money, but they're not bringing it to council and that's a concern. [1:31:55, 1:31:55]: Okay. [1:31:56, 1:31:58]: That it's already spent three million dollars is a concern. [1:32:00, 1:32:03]: Geminen should be coming to the council. Yeah. [1:32:03, 1:32:08]: I don't know the best way to handle it. Um when it comes, see, um [1:32:08, 1:32:17]: That's why most I guess government entities don't get involved with it. Mainly because dealing with taxpayer dollars, every red cent have accounted for. [1:32:18, 1:32:24]: Get um, you know, his philosophy on how he's managing narrations of the amphitheater. Um [1:32:24, 1:32:30]: Profits that he gains from a concert uses for the next concert again holiday. For us [1:32:30, 1:32:31]: [5551.7, 5552.5]: We need to [1:32:32, 1:32:36]: For every penny, every penny coming in. [1:32:36, 1:32:38]: I just wanna know who who's responsible for that. [1:32:39, 1:32:48]: I'm in contact and when funds are requested, um, I review and if the funds are there, I send them. But we collectively haven't spent a total million dollars that shit here. [1:32:49, 1:32:58]: The contractual rate may be one thing, but you're putting on like maybe the deposit and you go per show as the show is gone. So you had the opportunity to see the revenues and the revenues are coming in. So there's not [1:32:59, 1:33:05]: Technically three months has not been spent. That's just the contract rates and total amount that was in there. [1:33:05, 1:33:08]: Doesn't it mean it? I get it. I do. [1:33:08, 1:33:10]: We we cannot [1:33:10, 1:33:17]: Just my my way of thinking. You can't determine that if they successful season until the end of the year. [1:33:18, 1:33:18]: I get it. [1:33:19, 1:33:22]: But we still have to count for these фансохел мі. [1:33:22, 1:33:24]: Figure a way to explain. [1:33:24, 1:33:27]: to the residents, other than, you know, get wait to the end of the year. [1:33:27, 1:33:33]: They don't know that. They know how the money is being so we need to have a comprehensive plan on how to report it. [1:33:33, 1:33:48]: This one is quarterly or whether it's I don't know. Just help me. I can give you monthly reports in regards to the shows that can happen. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. I appreciate that. That will work. On the other monthly financial report for the higher operation of the C. We actually need to see that monthly. [1:33:50, 1:33:54]: Thank you. Same with the city manager's report. We agreed we would on the party. [1:33:55, 1:34:03]: So you want the operating monthly financial reports. I can send them to thank you. The city manager reports need to have those early. Yes. And and you know [1:34:04, 1:34:24]: The the the City Manager's report I've been yet I'm I'm asking this this whole end up'cause going on I'm the last person to s to submit mine. So I'll take one person responsibility'cause I went on with everything and I'm always looking corinna's always jipping on me about it. Uh everybody else is giving it I'm so City Manager's Money Report I I gotta I gotta make the boost of getting them to her on my early logs get over. [1:34:24, 1:34:28]: Thank you. [1:34:29, 1:34:49]: Mr. Zan good please. Yes, uh, we we focus a lot and I think I thank you for the report. Because you know what? Love the Intel. They do. We're the baby this weekend, and people enjoy every last one of those shows. And we finally August of twenty twenty five. August of twenty twenty five. So imagine what it's gonna look like then in terms of profit loss uh for the particular. [1:34:49, 1:34:55]: City. There's other city facilities that we'd focus on. Where what is the breakdown on the Mer Menderson? [1:35:01, 1:35:04]: To take it into perspective in terms how these facilities work. [1:35:04, 1:35:11]: Because uh on a yearly basis, we know going in that we're gonna lose money on Merrill Manners and we subst and we substantially [1:35:11, 1:35:31]: uh subsidize it because it's never going to be money. And we understand that but it is a public benefit to the public to have a facility that can have weddings that they can the city and have public events is lost leaders, so to speak, where we know going in it is a amenity to the community and it is well in the overall budget because it brings in so many unseen rivers. [1:35:31, 1:35:37]: People use it for silly or uh and they purchase gas or they sc go in town or they stay at a hotel or or spend money elsewhere. [1:35:38, 1:35:51]: So far, this year has brought in about one hundred fifty thousand dollars and give you a more detailed report I can send to you on that specific city. How much how much have we uh how much is it the expense or how much has it cost the city? [1:35:53, 1:36:00]: The expenses for the mural mandor are about two hundred fifty thousand dollars, which a little over. I'm sorry. Is it live? No, ma'am. [1:36:01, 1:36:06]: No, I did not. But I can get you the information. So again, repeat that number. Those two numbers again. [1:36:06, 1:36:26]: The profit of running over about$150,000 in the expense of about$250,000. Right. And that number we expected to swell, right? Yes, sir. Because we know that these fillets are for any person. But what they do is to the public is that they help us rebuild the downtown as we're doing with the amphetor, as we're doing with our downtown, attracting new businesses because it brings foot track. [1:36:26, 1:36:46]: In the downtown. You know that it's a long world review of downtown and what it did, uh, where we're going to. I like the way that you you phrased it in terms when you were talking about the amphitheater facility. It had a two million dollar budget, but it brought all of these additional revenues, the other review of the rector, and he did the appropriate thing, which was reached out and he did exactly what the plan consisted of. [1:36:46, 1:37:01]: additional shows that he gave to cancel, right? Bear he gave us tentative stole list and then he went out of the shows that he intended that he had indicated to us that he would fund. So that's been any funding outside of the revenue that he generated has been that he brought in. Yes sir. [1:37:02, 1:37:22]: Right. So folks understand that. Right. And then we had what sponsorships were the sponsorships included in revenue as well. So all of that kind of is baked into the cake of the amphitheater uh is doing as a facility. So uh when we have a sold out show that brings in more revenue and sure, you know, we'll have a big crowd and several of the other [1:37:21, 1:37:36]: So it can go either way depending upon what rhetorical in the crowd we're paying the artists, right? Yes, sir. Okay. So overall I would do grade uh in terms of uh the city's finances at the term your own course what the city manager had laid out to execute this year. [1:37:36, 1:37:42]: Sir, we are we have collected four per forty five percent of revenue so far spent out about three six. So we are [1:37:42, 1:38:02]: A little bit above what we did last year. So we're in our peak months. We also through December when we pick up the revenu the property revenue greatly increased. Right. And as we go along the very funds that are performing, like splost, T splashed, uh and the re and the um you know last cell. Because you know, we we as more businesses come to the community, more revenue is generated. So [1:38:02, 1:38:15]: So that factored into what we're going to do. So these funds being overproduced like T plus PLOS, uh uh can you talk about the bit so T Floss, excuse me. For T S Bloss right now. [1:38:15, 1:38:35]: We have about 20 projects in roughly five completed last year. And for the twenty twenty-four year, we have taken in upwards of twelve million dollars, which have been allocated across the twenty-one projects. For SLUS, we complete two of the four projects that we have in the books and have taken upwards of nineteen million dollars. Ten points that were the continuation of the [1:38:35, 1:38:37]: Water silver is stomped. [1:38:38, 1:38:42]: So yes, we're paying great revenue and they're really getting out there and making somebody's project happen. [1:38:42, 1:39:02]: Right. I appreciate it because what ends up happening is investments that we're making in the city, they're increasing the overall revenue of the city. They have more businesses to locate, especially as you see the fees come in for Jodico project, that's only escalating the t intention of the funding. Mm-hmm. I I certainly focus on as a as a council member member still being good. [1:39:02, 1:39:22]: stewardship of this fund. But really it is our desire to grow the pie, which is increase the revenue side so you don't have to pinch everything and folks and enjoy it. I'll close by saying this the city now need we weren't spending enough money in the past. That's why certain areas in the city look like they look we've increased that investment in the city. [1:39:22, 1:39:41]: Because we want to be proud of the city in the place that we call home. You can see it right outside the door and you can see it in various areas of the city. Money has more invested. Thank you. [1:39:41, 1:39:44]: Every year around is when we start talking, but [1:39:44, 1:39:47]: I know uh Ms. Gardner and staff. [1:39:47, 1:39:51]: uh have in and discuss their wish list you put it that way. [1:39:52, 1:39:54]: My concern has always been [1:39:55, 1:40:15]: being able to operate the city as a whole. I know the amphithemia and different entities goes into the budget and I get that and understand that. But I try to look at the whole operation to make sure that the ship stays afloat. And we have a crack in ship and even if the ship is gonna sink. True. So and that's [1:40:14, 1:40:26]: been always my concern about not having to borrow money from Peter Pay Paul. And you gotta indicate the way things are trending. And correct me if I'm wrong, the way things are trending [1:40:27, 1:40:31]: Um things are looking in the black. Yes. And we are sort of going forward. [1:40:31, 1:40:35]: And so and I know we have a city council budget coming up. [1:40:35, 1:40:37]: And I'll be looking at is [1:40:37, 1:40:40]: How do we find this? [1:40:40, 1:40:53]: code enforcement and some issue may need code enforcement officers because we see some issues that we may need to bend. Uh the department has indicated they need more this and they need more that. So [1:40:53, 1:41:11]: My concern is overall, but I understand, you know, you have revenues and I like to understand the deficit, you know, if there's that hopefully there's not a deficit. I know there's that the military and I was a little ten back prior as I always thought that the uh the budget [1:41:12, 1:41:32]: The expenses, revenue, all of that shit come first. And they don't need deficit, then set your meals because you wanna have a balance, but and I've always asked uh the city manager, uh, did he borrow money from any other source to balance it, but so I'm not gonna ask him that day, but he knows I'm gonna ask that question at all. But when when that time comes around, uh you know the [1:41:32, 1:41:32]: Yeah. [1:41:33, 1:41:35]: So I'm just just making a statement. [1:41:35, 1:41:38]: Um now I it is important for you to submit [1:41:41, 1:42:01]: To submit uh reports to full council. And and I think it is important for us to get uh monthly updates or whatever interval we need to get those. But we need to get those updates because you know it's just embarrassing for us to know, not to be able to answer the the health, the financial health of the city. So we need [1:42:01, 1:42:21]: those funding and for the manager yes needs this report so we gotta stay informed so I would encourage you to send each other members the council uh these updates because we cannot make decisions if we don't have these information as I indicated I will be looking because if I'm going to push uh the police department for neighborhood patrol if I'm going to push uh [1:42:21, 1:42:31]: uh code enforcement to do more and to know they need more code officers but they need a vehicle in order to do their job because as I stated earlier, we expect them to do their job. [1:42:31, 1:42:38]: But if they're being handicapped because of a lack of whoever, then that's just like in public e uh public work with Ms. Harry. [1:42:39, 1:42:51]: Publix is one of the largest staff they have here at the city. And Mr. Aaron knows and I'm laughing because he knows that we're always asking about um the right-of-ways. [1:42:51, 1:42:59]: this, that, and the other. And I understand he needs a bunch of people to do that. He needs to work. And I'm gonna ask Mr. Aaron today, but I will be asking him about general maintenance. [1:43:00, 1:43:09]: about how many folks in general maintenance, how many does he need, you know, the job that need to be done. So I'm just gonna say to you that we need these reports'cause we need to be look [1:43:10, 1:43:13]: There was an a quick about the Mirrorman and we've had discussions about Mirman. [1:43:14, 1:43:20]: But in order for us to look at that comprehensively and to try to correct some of the ill, if you will. [1:43:20, 1:43:36]: We need to have the information. We need to have the fix. We need the the the for us to look at that and try to correct whatever's going on. So but if we do not have the information, we can't make the decision, not intelligently. And we guess we can throw something against the wall and see what's going to say. [1:43:37, 1:43:57]: But we need the actual information, the numbers, the things are trending, what the facts are and we need to then be. So if you would please do uh these financial reports to us so we can be a little bit more intelligent when we talk about uh health and the finances in order for us to make this we just need that information. Understood. [1:43:57, 1:43:58]: Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. [1:43:59, 1:44:08]: You're welcome. Enterprise funds. Did you capture those? The enterprise funds were captured. [1:44:12, 1:44:15]: On this slide, um I did it to deep the in the process. [1:44:16, 1:44:17]: Oh, so include it in the general. [1:44:18, 1:44:34]: The I the Enterprise Funds are booking out. I did not go into the Enterprise Funds, adventure revenues, uh focus on general fund. Yes, I can um make sure to get all of the reports so they're changing. [1:44:35, 1:44:37]: On the courts, um specifically. [1:44:37, 1:44:42]: No sir. I do have some questions, but I'm I'm not going to prolong. [1:44:45, 1:44:45]: Yeah. [1:44:47, 1:44:57]: All right, well Eagle, you had a question. Yeah, for all salary and wages, we but not we have some precision opposition. How for the public, I see numbers, I just want you to copy with that so they can contain where we are. [1:44:59, 1:45:19]: You mean salaries overall? Yes. Okay. The budget amount of salary was nine point four million. We spent three point eight million. So we are still under budget. We do have a lot of um positions that are looking to fill. Absolutely. Now so we have way past the what from the year and we have nine dollars budget. And we've only spent what? Three and eight. Three from eight. So obviously we should have been at four. [1:45:19, 1:45:39]: point five factory at the end at the end to be on track. So we especially under um spent in that area, which is so that we need to make sure that we are fully staffed and that we have the people in position to to execute out of them. But the number rather tells you that we're trending in the right direction and we're not we're not um wasting money on um our out on [1:45:38, 1:45:44]: Certainly we want to ensure we're taking care and we have competitive wages. Thank you. Yes, sir. [1:45:44, 1:45:59]: I like this great presentation. This is just an update, no no need to put on it, put obvious marching orders and you took notes on Mr. Gardner took some notes on things with me. So appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Uh consideration of vacancies on the public facility authority board and appoint members to a four-year term. Mr. Washington. [1:46:00, 1:46:02]: Is he to do this? All right. [1:46:15, 1:46:25]: The second one is Samantha Senior. And third one that you should have a notebook is Mark Lane. [1:46:28, 1:46:48]: Fine with me because Samantha Samuel is a real well. She was already she resigned from the citywide development authority and wants to come on a PF PF. Okay, so she's just transitioning. Okay, certainly. Okay, any c if no is invalid, I need them to accept some is there a second? Please indicate. She now [1:46:48, 1:46:52]: Ms. Barber first, I saw it first. Very [1:46:53, 1:47:13]: That gets exciting sometimes. All right, good. IQ missed. All right. So what we have next, events. Um council meetings will be held. Contact the offices seven seven zero three and nine seven hundred on the websites at Wstarbridge.org for updates. The start resistance first third of each month, six p.m. [1:47:13, 1:47:33]: And Stockbridge Police Room 4545 North Henry Boulevard is August 1st. And by the way, just last week, these uh our Stockbridge Police uh Brift Council were put departments up for an war and they had lunch last week in Vanna with the Georgia Police Officers Association. And Stockbridge once we finally did not win, but we in a sense was uh got by for second, I should say. [1:47:33, 1:47:53]: A plaque or an award and a award and a slow award and uh police headquarters somewhere there. And five hundred dollars uh that would go to the uh committee to do some of the work. So gradually and his committee for a great job, and they look forward to them uh maybe taking a number one position in our years here. Uh the main street board meeting was on the second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. [1:47:53, 1:48:13]: M.D. one three ML K ML King Senior Heritage Trail of Snight. City coming second Monday PM City Hall Cal Chambers of twelve. You call meeting the second Monday beach month, six thirty PM in the City Holy Bye meeting room. Uh okay says no ugly sorry. All right. Side uh each month, six PM, meeting room, city. [1:48:13, 1:48:33]: Meeting room August me August. Like now Planning Commission meeting second set Planning Commission meeting third Tuesday of each month. City Hall same August 15th. The downtown third meeting third uh Tuesday of each month. Strawberry's downtown one thirty ML King Senior Heritage Trail August 20th. Did you cancel advisory committee meeting 6:30 p.m. uh third Tuesday of each month and by meeting? [1:48:33, 1:48:53]: Room at City Hall August 20th. Of course, the City Hall Council zone at all fifty seventh. The community zoning information meetings Thursday, August seventh, six p.m. and seven p.m. in the city hall council chamber, September. Upcoming city events and initiatives join us at the committee park for one one one Davis Robert Font Woods. [1:48:53, 1:49:13]: [6553.0, 6573.0]: This is actually a sorry this isn't Stockbridge, folks. I gotta say that you never tell I gotta say each time golly. Start the farm post zone two plus C four on Monday, August twelfth from six PM, seven thirty PM location stopbridge United Middle Church at forty eight North Himbard. It's right down here uh from Se Hall. [1:49:32, 1:49:52]: Thomas for the monthly senior bingo bash on Wednesday fifteenth from ten AM to twelve the Mercury Center. One one Aver's roof for Raffles Prize Games and a lot of fun. Join Castlewoman Lucisi and Partnership with Atlanta Food Truck Park for the night market at Stockbridge Empathy Park Lot six PM to nine, thirty PM august fifteenth. There will be events collectives, games, music and vibes, content, tan powers at Tan and Alan. [1:49:52, 1:50:12]: Lanfort Park.com for restriction additional information. Join Council Thomas for the second district sidewalk town hall on Thursday, August 15th from 6:30 p.m. to eight o'clock, Florida Chapel Baptist Church, Family Life Center, okay, 104 First Street in Right Harbor, of course. Join me, Mayor Ford, and for the monthly meeting Mayor on the August 26th from 10 a.m. to noon. [1:50:12, 1:50:32]: Stoppage City Hall. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Try Stoppers Initiatives Centered Round Education, Highlight Health Effects, Literary Copy. And uh once again joined to salute all your long and considerations with the main France right in your service in contact with our schedule point we need to make for information, officials and events. Call Rosalind at 678-334-200. [1:50:32, 1:50:52]: or by way of email raws.org. The 2024 Stockbridge Summer Concert Summer Series continues on this August 3rd. We'll have been faced with special guest star every forecast. August 17th, featuring and AR Baxton and Miss Peter here and Pitami do the DJ in honor to divine nine top. [1:50:52, 1:51:12]: First word is mine nine. Alpha Sword Corporate, Delta 63, Sword and Corporate, Sing again, Sword Corporate, and Z5. So man from the fraternities come on and bring uh bring your colors also and have a good time with party concert there. And Saturday 2022 to 2024, Cole James with Obern tour with special guest Damian Escobar. Just concert now, [1:51:12, 1:51:32]: For our twenty twenty series that is Awkward 26. Now mind you, uh three weeks ago, I guess now most three weeks, two and a half weeks now. Charlie Wilson. Rob Thick. Well, Rob Thick was able to perform, but Charlie Wilson was not due to a storm that we had. [1:51:32, 1:51:52]: with Elder Barch. So it's on StarBridge NP.com. Matter of fact, anybody has their land, anybody has tickets for that concert for the first concert where Robin Charlie Wilson will utilize that ticket and be honored to come back and see this concert here with Charlie Wilson and Elder Barge. So I look forward to that myself. And it's also on the StarBridn P dot com website would be a a [1:51:52, 1:52:12]: A concert that Chris Sucker, actor and Pinning Chris Sucker Fans, is actually having a concert here at Dampath on August 24th. And this is in reference to the the benefits of the Christmas Foundation and live music and comedy. So this uh should uh this website to be for dictators well, and uh that should be a blast. I'm pretty sure it'd be a wonderful concert, wonderful evening and I as well. Um let's see here and so [1:52:12, 1:52:32]: say the date for the break test which is uh uh september twenty eighth to twenty fourth and uh supposed an annual community on that day. We have a live food trucks, vendors, and uh get ready for Starbucks Amber Theater uh for our final concert of year. Any additional uh information any contact B Bradley Starberg G R G possible for any interested vendors uh that you want to particularly [1:52:32, 1:52:52]: A couple of uh announcements I have to make here and one of them actually deals with uh the council where the fact that we discussed and uh six and what we want spot six six that's gonna be on the ballot for buddy to uh approve on November fifth this year. What we wanted was a six year uh splots, uh sixty eight percent of that's going to count and thirty two percent going to cities, used the twenty twenty census. [1:52:52, 1:53:12]: Yeah it was a tough one handle we could do a ten no level one and level two project uh that we in a sense agreed to uh we internally the county agreed that but today just today the county has uh uh unanimous that for six it will be a six year splots. It will be sixty eight thirty two percent split between the county cities getting thirty two percent. Um this is the people. [1:53:12, 1:53:32]: April first of twenty twenty-five to March 31st of 2031. And the day they will utilize an O level two projects. They accounts in a level two project, but then use up to use up$100 million for any type of bonding of projects if they just choose to do that. And we cities are unable to bond for any projects at all. And um I believe that's it. [1:53:32, 1:53:43]: to that uh passage. Now often suppose four hundred and seven million dollars over that f six year period and we say stop rates to twelve point three one percent, we'll get roughly estimated fifty seven million eight hundred thirty nine dollars. [1:53:45, 1:53:45]: All right. [1:53:46, 1:54:06]: So hopefully I don't know where that's what they agree earlier today. And uh the IJ has not been signed, and I'd gonna have to be readjusted because what we see today on the government's uh uh agreement was today was not uh was not the encompassing way approved earlier uh later on today. And our attorneys uh watch his work on that, so I've yet to sign the thing thus far. [1:54:06, 1:54:26]: And I know that has to happen sometime soon. So what's your question? Never mind, don't worry. Okay, all right. Uh no, Nano. Um what I wanted to do, um, as you all know, right now. And I know I've been I've been attending as much as possible on Olympics, chat teams, the swimming events, everything's going on, the evening, the diving, polo, the metamastics really got down, but it knows it's happening. [1:54:26, 1:54:38]: ladies and gentlemen of our ladies have become got gold and if understand reddy's got gold they got number one some mobiles got a gold and some mobiles I understand red is now in history the greatest gymnast in the history of the greatest gym [1:54:38, 1:54:58]: All right. Outstanding. Outstanding. I tell you what, that isn't fantastic. And what else wanna mention to you I have here on Flip City South Flipsity South is right here in our earth and tumbling and trampling and and they attended uh four different uh national events. Flipsity south at least a junior elite security and press a third place fish to Cam Cab. Uh Mr. Merkin, a uh intermediate elite uh athlete demonstrated his talent and landed eight place and [1:54:58, 1:55:18]: And uh senior league athlete probably medals. Now, this all occurred. These outstanding performances occurred, but didn't split you say gymnasts because they hold the three preseason competitions. One class is a homestead, two classes are Irving, Texas, and US Gym Champs in Minneapolis. And uh the top eight minus scores from events is a national team, and all three flips south athletes made that cut. These are teams are fantastic. [1:55:18, 1:55:38]: So we have on our right in our back folks, you got 30 south and you got individuals that are doing weight at the at the amateur level. These are probably eventual aliens on the next go round. Right here coming on up. So I've stem. On that note, that's all my announcements. And uh on that note, I'll see you emotional in our meeting. Mr. Barron is a second. [1:55:38, 1:55:43]: Miss um uh Miss Catherine. So now now season, God bless y'all, good night. [1:55:45, 1:55:45]: Oh. [1:56:02, 1:56:04]: I recognize

--- title: Special Called Meeting Public Hearing 3 Setting the Millage Rate date: 2024-07-22 source: 2024-07-22_Special_Called_Meeting_Public_Hearing_3_Setting_the_Millage_Rate.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:20]: Father, we thank you this morning for again waking us up and giving us a fresh start with new grace and new mercy. We pray for this meeting and the proceedings today. We pray that everyone's voices will be heard. We pray, Lord God, for an expedient process that, Lord God, all your good deeds and all your good grace will fall on the citizens of Stockbridge. This we ask in this name of your son, Jesus. [0:00:20, 0:00:35]: In Jesus Christ's name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, honored God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:00:36, 0:00:38]: Madam Clerk Roll Call, please. [0:00:43, 0:00:44]: Morning. [0:00:45, 0:00:48]: Present. Mayor Pro Temberry. Present. Council Member Out. [0:00:50, 0:00:53]: Council Member Barber. Present. Councilmember Gantt. [0:00:54, 0:00:58]: That the record replaced, Councilwoman McGantt is not in attendance. [0:00:58, 0:01:05]: Council Member Tom. Present. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:01:05, 0:01:25]: So for Mr. Alzheimer's, is there a second? Ms. Barber, second then. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. All righty. So ladies and gentlemen, we'll go through the uh public hearing. Notice rate presented by Mr. Gardner. But before Mr. Gardner gets started, let me read the public hearing rules. Please mute, mute, excuse me, all cell phones and other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak to [0:01:25, 0:01:31]: tonight on public hearing item please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:01:32, 0:01:52]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant and a representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with or any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. [0:01:52, 0:02:12]: So each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended at the discretion of the council. Please keep comments and presentation professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual group. Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. 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[0:02:59, 0:03:12]: Motion and the second through the motion will have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote to recommend approval or denial the request. Thank you very much. And Mr. Gardner, sir, saw news, sir. [0:03:22, 0:03:42]: Good morning, Mayor. Morning. Good morning, Council. And good morning, residents. Um, Mark Shaw, can everybody hear me well today? All right. We had to add a little box to the mic. Speaker to the mic. Yeah, to get it closer for everyone to be able to hear us, but thank you. Um today uh is our third public and last public hearing related to [0:03:42, 0:03:51]: To the adoption of our millage rate, which uh sets the rate for our general fund operations for the city of Stockbridge for the year 2025. [0:03:53, 0:03:58]: Um, as we spoke about in the previous two meetings, uh Stockbridge is a growing city, a fast growing city. [0:03:59, 0:04:02]: And as we know, we continue to grow as a city and developed. [0:04:03, 0:04:06]: Um I give some brief history about the growth of the city. [0:04:06, 0:04:18]: Well, in nineteen ninety the city had just over three thousand residents and now we're topping close to forty thousand residents as a city, headed in that direction, with all the growth and development that has occurred. [0:04:18, 0:04:21]: Um that growth and development obviously. [0:04:21, 0:04:30]: uh puts impacts on our public works because as the city keeps growing and spreading we add more roads, more sidewalks, more right away to maintain and operate. [0:04:30, 0:04:35]: as well as our new police service uh have to keep up with the growing demands of the po growing population. [0:04:36, 0:04:43]: Um we'll talk a little bit about um what we preliminaries see in our F Y twenty five budget and then the proposed mill is ready. [0:04:45, 0:05:05]: So the the Millage rate uh is driven specifically by uh tax digest and that's all accumulative properties within the city of Stockbridge as a whole. Uh and between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four our digest grew by four point four percent or went from one point eight six to one point nine four billion dollars. [0:05:05, 0:05:07]: Total digest. Right. [0:05:08, 0:05:11]: We're doing accurate village rate staying at se three point seven seven. [0:05:12, 0:05:20]: Even with that growth the miller's rate staying the same, the growth in the digest precipitates the debt considered a three point four four growth rate. [0:05:20, 0:05:39]: As required. Uh we advertised three public hearings for the meet for the millage rate. And this is our third meeting. Um the sta the city did advertise four point two five as a placeholder. However, the recommended millage rate, as you know from our first meeting by staff is three point seven seven, pretty much giving it the same. [0:05:42, 0:06:00]: And I know this is not clear and I'm gonna try to get it better, but the way the formula comes out, it doesn't bring but that just shows the digest and the growth in the digest over the last five years. So in twenty nineteen we were just under a billion dollars. In twenty twenty the city topped a billion dollars. Um and then moving forward with the annexation. [0:06:00, 0:06:02]: Um we grew. [0:06:02, 0:06:04]: Pretty much from one billion dollars. [0:06:04, 0:06:09]: From one point three to one point eight billion dollars. And now one point nine. [0:06:12, 0:06:23]: So what does that middle rate mean as it relates to housings within the city for a certain s uh specific price? Um in this chart we showed that a house at one hundred and fifty assessed value is sixty. [0:06:24, 0:06:28]: Uh on the rollback millage rate that we estimated was three point six one. [0:06:29, 0:06:31]: That would meet a house would be [0:06:31, 0:06:33]: Um two hundred and sixteen dollars. [0:06:33, 0:06:45]: With the three point seven seven keeping it the same, that same house will pay two hundred and twenty six dollars or nine dollars and fifty cents, fifty eight cents a year difference, or eighty cents a month. [0:06:45, 0:07:01]: difference. A house which in the median for the city of Stockbridge is right around two eighty five to three hundred. So house at three s two seventy-five assessed value would be a hundred and ten. Rollback would have it at three ninety seven. [0:07:02, 0:07:05]: The present military keeping it the same at three fourteen. [0:07:06, 0:07:12]: That would be a seventeen fift seventeen dollars and fifty six cents increase or one dollar and forty six per month. [0:07:12, 0:07:13]: Um difference. [0:07:15, 0:07:16]: And so [0:07:17, 0:07:18]: Based on that. Um [0:07:19, 0:07:36]: You can see where other cities and I know ever all the other cities and counties are looking at their millage rate as ta as well. Um I know Henry County's proposing to increase um as well as McDonough, I mean of Hampton. And I think Locus Grove is imposing their property tax this year as well. But as of now they're [0:07:36, 0:07:40]: Um three mils, four point five mils, and twelve point seven mils, respectively. [0:07:43, 0:08:00]: So that typical house, what does it look like? And we use the tax map and Google Street map to find houses within those categories. So as I said, that house at 150 appraise. Assessed value would be sixty. At the current area three point seven seven, it'd be two twenty six. [0:08:00, 0:08:02]: And that's about eighteen dollars a month. [0:08:03, 0:08:12]: And a house two valued at two hundred and thirty-four pays ninety-three thousand. Assessed value, three hundred and fifty-four a year or right around twenty-nine a month. [0:08:14, 0:08:34]: two eighty one assessed value is one hundred and twelve six. Um current current millers rate, they pay four hundred and twenty-four, made the correction, and that's thirty-five a month, and the house value to three hundred and eighty one, um assessed value to one hundred and fifty two thousand um five hundred and [0:08:34, 0:08:37]: Seventy four or forty seven dollars a month. [0:08:40, 0:09:00]: Um staff work to kinda come up with our proposed budget for twenty twenty twenty five meeting with the department heads came out with about twenty nine point three um million and you see where we balance at the three point seven seven gives us a equal balance budget and that was the recommendation of staff for revenues projected preliminary j projected [0:08:59, 0:09:01]: revenues and expenses. [0:09:05, 0:09:15]: When we talk about the taxing entities in Henry County, so you have four taxing entities in the county. You have the water authority to tax every citizen. Um [0:09:16, 0:09:25]: A two mil tax, um the proposed tax at three point seven seven for this for the city of Starkbridge, Henry County. [0:09:25, 0:09:45]: Without their if you take out some of the fire tax and those would be around ten point ten point five and the school board um at twenty three point six. And so that represents about sixty percent of a dollar. Sixty cents on every dollar goes to your school board, about twenty-six cents of every dollar goes to the county, eleven cents would be a dollar. [0:09:45, 0:09:48]: would come to the city and five cents would go to the water authority. [0:09:54, 0:10:02]: Next step, this is the the fi the last and final meeting for the adoption of the millage rate. Staff does recommend a 3.77 millage. [0:10:03, 0:10:23]: The miller's rate um will be applied to all properties this year um for the October, December time frame. And for those folks that own their homes, they tend to pay as they go in some cases. Um but there will be a ballot initiative on the November fifth ballot, um which allows for homestead exemptions for all Stockbridge homeowners. [0:10:22, 0:10:42]: And that's a separate process from Henry County. Every resident would have to apply here for the exemptions once it's passed. If it's passed, which we think it will, um, there hasn't been one that's failed in the state of Georgia to date. Um and so that allowed for you, for seniors as well as regular homeowners, as well as those folks who are on septic to [0:10:42, 0:10:50]: be able to apply for a role by I mean to apply for homestead exemption and that application process will happen here at City Hall. [0:10:52, 0:11:12]: Thank you, Mr. Gardner. I appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, if you don't mind, we actually have the uh Henry County Tax Commissioner with us, Mr. Michael Harris. So, Mr. Harris, if you don't mind if you come to the podium and add anything else that you liked uh today for the citizens that are present, and then uh we'll open it up to the council and then eventually to the citizens to ask any questions. Go ahead, please. Thanks, Mr. Thank you, Mayor. Good morning. [0:11:12, 0:11:18]: Morning, Council members. Um, just all I would add is um just the process going forward at this point. [0:11:19, 0:11:35]: Um so where we are now, if the city of Stockbridge adopts their millage, we're still waiting. The Board of Education is scheduled to adopt theirs later t later today, about four thirty. Um City of McDonough begins their hearings this afternoon as well. [0:11:35, 0:11:52]: and the Board of Commissioners is scheduled to have their adoption on the 30th of this month. Once all the entities, tax and agencies have been have completed their setting their millage, then we'll complete the digest and we'll submit that information to the state for review. [0:11:53, 0:11:54]: And approval [0:11:54, 0:12:03]: State will have a few days to go through their review process. Um once they finish their review, they'll issue a authorization letter, which gives us authorization to begin the process of collecting taxes. [0:12:04, 0:12:08]: Um from there we begin the process of going in crafting and and and and creating the bills. [0:12:08, 0:12:12]: That's usually about a two week process working back and forth with our with our printer. [0:12:12, 0:12:23]: So usually we anticipate bills going out no later than the last week in of August. So everyone should certainly see their tax bill come in the mail by no later than that first of September. [0:12:24, 0:12:33]: Um, if anyone does not, I encourage anyone if they haven't if we get to the first week in September and you haven't seen your bill come in the mail. We know there's been some challenges with our postal service lately. [0:12:33, 0:12:41]: Um, I certainly encourage them to visit our website at henrycountytax.com. They can simply enter their address and they can pull up the bill on our website. [0:12:42, 0:12:47]: Um so that's always or they can always contact our office directly. But um certainly by the first week of September everyone should see their bill. [0:12:48, 0:12:52]: Okay, thank you, sir. Council, any questions for either one of these gentlemen? Mr. Alzheimer's? [0:12:52, 0:13:12]: Yeah, so thank you again, Mr. Harris, uh, for coming to make the excellent presentation. There are a few citizens who weren't here at the at the initial meeting. So certainly I'd like for you to kind of do what we did last time, which is kind of recap some of these instances, such as uh talk about the frozen. [0:13:12, 0:13:32]: an exemption and then also if you would talk about the uh collections uh based uh on the the school board perhaps is they're doing they're setting their millage rate today I believe that's correct uh as well so let's talk about that yeah just so briefly the um counsel mentioned the [0:13:32, 0:13:35]: frozen provision that that currently exists here in Henry County. [0:13:36, 0:13:56]: Um Henry County is one of a few jurisdictions that offer a frozen provision. Um slightly different than the floating provision. A frozen provision, what that does is on in the year that you submit your application for a homestead and are approved for that homestead, it establishes your base year. So your base year value. [0:13:56, 0:14:00]: Would be based on the year you the previous year from the year you filed for your homestead. [0:14:01, 0:14:06]: Case in point, if you file for homestead this year and were approved, your base year would be last year's [0:14:07, 0:14:08]: property valuation. [0:14:08, 0:14:14]: What that does is in simplest terms, if you purchase your home and applied for homestead in t year two thousand and ten. [0:14:15, 0:14:17]: And your home was valued at two hundred thousand dollars. [0:14:18, 0:14:38]: The county tax portion would remain frozen at that two hundred thousand dollar value. So even though your value may have increased up to three hundred thousand dollars, you are still only taxed on the county side at that two hundred thousand dollar level. So you can see the the the tremendous impact that has from a from a taxpayer standpoint, only being taxed at that [0:14:38, 0:14:55]: At that much lower level. Um, so it's it's a tremendous benefit. I think the county has estimated the benefit to the residents equates to somewhere between 45 to 50 million dollars, obviously spread out amongst the entire two hundred and fifty um [0:14:55, 0:14:57]: thousand population we have here in the county. [0:14:57, 0:14:59]: Um so again it's it's a tremendous benefit. [0:14:59, 0:15:05]: Secondary to that is the school board, while they are not part of the frozen provision, they do offer a tiered [0:15:06, 0:15:14]: Um exemption beginning at age 62. Beginning at age 62, you can get a reduction of twenty thousand dollars off of your assessed value at age sixty five. [0:15:15, 0:15:27]: that reduction of your detectable value is eighty thousand, age sixty eight it's a hundred and twenty thousand. And at age seventy you no longer have to pay any school taxes. So what that simply means based on the formula that Mr. Garden prevented earlier. [0:15:27, 0:15:29]: That assessed value [0:15:29, 0:15:40]: which is your taxable value, would be reduced by those amounts. So if you have a taxable value of of assessed value of$120,000, if you add that exemption for your basic L one, [0:15:40, 0:15:52]: at age sixty two, it would reduce that taxable amount down to a hundred thousand. So you're only taxed on a hundred thousand dollars. Um and again, and that increase is um incrementally at age sixty five and eight sixty eight. [0:15:52, 0:15:53]: Um [0:15:53, 0:15:56]: That is even though you may have your homestead already in place. [0:15:56, 0:16:13]: You do need to go back and reapply at age sixty-two. When you're age sixty-two on January first, you must come back and reapply for that age exemption. Once you apply at age sixty-two, it carries on for all the subsequent other ages. Um and you also mentioned something else you wanted me to [0:16:14, 0:16:15]: Speak of. [0:16:15, 0:16:35]: Sorry, you you mentioned it, excuse me. You had mentioned the date for the uh school board. The county is going to also be uh setting their millage rate. Uh as Mr. Gardner, you said the the school board sets their rate. They 60% of your money goes to the school board, 26% goes to the county. They will be setting their rate. [0:16:35, 0:16:38]: This sh this month on the thirtieth, I believe. [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: The county will be sending their time thirtieth. The Board of Education will have their final adoption hearing today at I believe four four o'clock or four thirty. Absolutely. And what I say to the residents who are here, I've seen the same face as a lot of them here at this meeting for three meetings. Our millage rate from the very first meeting, we've told you that pretty [0:16:58, 0:17:18]: Pretty much we're gonna leave the rip the millage rate as is. So, but you've been to this meeting. How many of y'all are going to the meeting this afternoon at the school board where that rate is being discussed? Now they're d certainly gonna do uh a a proposed reduction on the bonding side. That's great. But the base millage rate has been set at the highest. [0:17:18, 0:17:38]: Percentage allowed at 20 meals for some time now. And that rate has not been reduced at all. So certainly when I look at my tax bill, my tax bill constitutes$5,5200. I thirty four hundred dollars of that goes to the school system. [0:17:38, 0:17:58]: And then about 1,100 goes to the county, and then the rest uh comes to the city. So I certainly would like to see that representation and to see hopefully many of you will be at that meeting this afternoon where the majority of your money is going so you can express those particular sentiments. [0:17:58, 0:18:18]: To the school board. Now, however, as you indicated at our last meeting, Henry County has not, theirs is till later this month when they will do that. Correct. But the proposed budget that they have passed, if it does pass, would dictate that there would need to be a millage. [0:18:18, 0:18:22]: rate increase in order to pay for that budget. Is that correct? [0:18:23, 0:18:43]: Yeah, I believe right now what they're currently proposing is an increase. It's it's it's an it's a decrease to the general fund portion of their of their millage. Um however they are taking some of that general fund reduction and moving it into the um police SSD, fire SD. [0:18:43, 0:18:57]: SSD um into those categories, so it's gonna be an increase on the police and fire um special service districts. So that would there would be a net increase and that net increase is quite significant from what I've seen in the numbers, is that correct? [0:18:57, 0:19:17]: Yeah, so it the way it works out, it would be, I think it's being proposed, it'd be uh about a three mil net increase. However, for residents of Stockbridge, because they're making a reduction of the general fund millage, I think if Stockbridge does opt to um maintain the 3.7 [0:19:17, 0:19:18]: seven millage rate. [0:19:20, 0:19:22]: The school bond reduction [0:19:22, 0:19:25]: Фром три по сі сто е та ту милс. [0:19:26, 0:19:29]: In addition to the general fund reduction by the county [0:19:29, 0:19:32]: Of eight point zero five five down to seven point zero four two. [0:19:33, 0:19:39]: citizens of Stockbridge could actually see about a point five reduction in their overall millage rate. Right. [0:19:39, 0:19:59]: Well see, and and excellent, and that's why I need uh folks to understand who are paying who are here at this particular meeting and know that again, I think in the previous scenario we had discussed is that we started our own police department at 3.77 mils. I mean uh i I mean police [0:19:59, 0:20:12]: department and overall city budget at 3.77 mils. The increase, I think you said, was uh in the neighborhood of four total overall would be like four meals. [0:20:12, 0:20:32]: Well, just for the police would be going up uh I think from two point nine something last year, the new mills about four point seven, just for the police portion that's being proposed. Right. And the city residents, since we have our own police department, that was passed along as special service districts. But since we have our own police department, special service districts. [0:20:32, 0:20:50]: districts um don't don't hit us the same. That's correct. So you would not be you would not that special service district for police would not be felt here for city residents. For fire, obviously it would be because county pla um takes care of the fire services here in the city. [0:20:51, 0:21:11]: Absolutely, but what is the understanding that I think residents need to understand, especially red residents who were annexed into the city, should that scenario play itself out and that full millage, three mills is increased, then net let's start in the police department with eighty [0:21:11, 0:21:31]: 80 plus personnel is actually going to end up in a savings for you because if you wasn't annexed into the city and you had to pay that special service district based on the proposed, and I say proposed increase rate, you would have been paying more had you not annexed into the city of Stockbridge. That is a fact. [0:21:31, 0:21:51]: Act should this pass. Now, they could go back and reduce the budget and not require that three mil increase, but that didn't seem to be the indication that they were headed in. But that's why it's so important for you not just to be in this meeting, but to be in that meeting this afternoon for the school board and to be at that county meeting. [0:21:51, 0:22:04]: I said, well now you here in this meeting and we're gonna leave our millage rate proposed unchanged. They're proposing a potential proposing three mil increase on the public safety side. And certainly [0:22:04, 0:22:24]: We're in support of public safety because when your house is on fire, you want somebody to go and respond. And some of that increases for public safety to for new fires, fire stations, and increase public safety. So that is extremely important to what we're doing here. Now, thank you, Mr. Harris. Mr. Gardner, as far as [0:22:24, 0:22:26]: far as the other side is concerned. [0:22:26, 0:22:30]: See, I was walking in and I was speaking to a resident. [0:22:30, 0:22:50]: And we were talking about the exemptions. See, this is why it's so important to understand the source of any information that you're given. The source of the information is extremely important because is that information that you were given accurate? Now there was a contention made that the city didn't. [0:22:50, 0:23:10]: Did not send out the information on the millage rate or the opportunity for them to have an exemption. Right, that was correct. But the reason that that was is because we needed legislation to pass the homeowner's exemption. It will be on the ballot. [0:23:09, 0:23:10]: This year. [0:23:11, 0:23:31]: in November for you to vote for you to have a homestead exemption. But this council was so pre so understanding that and the information presented to us so well, we set the millage rate at 3.77, which in effect gave everybody the exemptions up front, but we needed [0:23:31, 0:23:51]: The money to secure the budget and the funded. So even without applying for the exemption, because we didn't have it and we couldn't allow it, we set the rate low enough that it included uh it included a reduction that would be equal to or or on so on par with if. [0:23:50, 0:24:00]: if you had applied for the exemption. And Mr. Gardner, you talk about that process behind the exemption and why it will be going on the ballot this year. [0:24:01, 0:24:21]: Uh yes, sir. So um when council adopted the millage rate um back in in the fall of of twenty twenty three, there was discussions regarding the potential for homestead exemptions. Uh and what the council did was move forward with a resolution um to be [0:24:21, 0:24:41]: Forwarded to our local delegation requesting that a millage rate be, I mean a exemption, homestead exemption, be placed on City of Stockbridge taxes. That resolution started legislation that went through the Georgia House and Georgia Senate. [0:24:41, 0:24:57]: Senate was approved and signed by the governor. That exemption includes the overall L one for all homeowners, um, L two for those sixty-five and above elderly, as well as um exemptions for those homeowners on septic tanks. [0:24:58, 0:25:10]: And uh Mr. Aaron, I don't see him here today. There was some questions about the s he's here. Okay, Mr. Aaron, you c okay I didn't see you over there. You stuck Okay, come on up back to the podium if we would. [0:25:11, 0:25:31]: Uh and so yes. So um on as I mentioned in the presentation, um on the November fifth ballot, you will have there'll be a number of exemptions, but there will be one exemption for Stockbridge residents to vote in a homestead exemption on the November ballot. And if so, we will be ready to go applications. [0:25:31, 0:25:43]: already been placed put together. We're trying to put a online portal in place so folks can have it come in, sign it in and then submit their submitting documents you're working there, but the paper documents we've already designed and ready to go as soon as it's approved. [0:25:43, 0:26:03]: Thank you. Then Mr. Aaron, Mr. Aaron is our public works director here in the city. We implemented a sanitation program that was very comprehensive with trash recycling and free bulk pickup and lawn and uh yard debris several years ago. Now that rate is a consumer who [0:26:03, 0:26:09]: who sought that out in the city or outside the city, the rate that we get, they wouldn't be able to get it with them. [0:26:10, 0:26:24]: No, sir, not with the with all the services that city residents receive. Most of the private vendors only provide sanitation service and that's it. They do not provide bulk recycling or yard waste pickup. [0:26:25, 0:26:44]: Absolutely. And that that is placed on the city prop city um uh bill that's passed out through the tax commissioner, but it's not a tax, is it, Mr. Gardner? It is a fee. It is for service that is rendered by the city that is inclusive of trash recycling, bulk pickup, and log yard waste. [0:26:44, 0:27:04]: Yes, sir. It it most jurisdictions have gone from um putting fees directly for folks to pay onto the property tax because it's easier um and it captures most properties in the cities. Um so Stockwoods is not unlike other cities around it actually allow the legislation allowed for us to put um our fees on our property taxes. [0:27:04, 0:27:07]: And so that's why and that happened [0:27:07, 0:27:12]: Think Mr. Alfonso, I think it was back in nine in two thousand and six or two thousand and seven. [0:27:12, 0:27:20]: Um when they implemented it as part of the property tax bill versus everyone coming to City Hall and paying the trash bills. [0:27:20, 0:27:40]: Absolutely. And and final question for Mr. Aaron. As a part of that program, we offer free bulk pickup for items like mattresses and that thing, large items uh like that. That they can have three items a week picked up. That service is absolutely free, so they don't have to call anybody uh if they have [0:27:40, 0:27:57]: these to suppose these items is a part of the service that is included, correct? Yes, there is part of the service. The only thing they ask is that you notify them a day in advance of your day of collection to schedule that pickup. And you can put out up to three items every week if you so choose. [0:27:57, 0:27:59]: Absolutely. Thank you so much. [0:28:00, 0:28:20]: Any other questions from the council for um uh the staff or Mr. Harris uh before I open up for a public hearing for the rest of the citizens? Mayor. You go right ahead, please. I just want to apologize. I've been in court this morning. I had a hearing, so sorry I'm late. Okay, no problem. Appreciate it. Welcome. Thanks. Okay. Any questions down in the center? Gentlemen, are you good? [0:28:21, 0:28:36]: All right. On that note then, ladies and gentlemen, we'll open up for a public hearing for you all to uh express any opinions one way or the other. So let's start with uh the recommendation is three point seven seven for the millers to keep it the same. So anybody is four, uh keep it the same. Four three point seven seven [0:28:36, 0:28:38]: On my far left. [0:28:38, 0:28:41]: Yeah, okay, my far left. If you wanna speak, I'll need you to line up on the left hand side. [0:28:42, 0:28:43]: Anybody in the middle? Four. [0:28:44, 0:28:46]: Anybody in the middle four lane before you line up. [0:28:47, 0:28:56]: Oh in the in the middle, line up on the line up on the left side over here, please, on the left side. My left side. Anybody in in uh far right? Anybody wants to speak four? All right. [0:28:57, 0:29:04]: Right now for s this is four, uh recommendation three point seven seven. Please come to uh to the mic and give your name and address, please. [0:29:07, 0:29:14]: Uh, good morning. My name is uh Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two, uh one [0:29:15, 0:29:35]: I want to thank the council of the wonderful way we're able to speak and hear and can see the presentation. So I can't thank you enough. Uh I appreciate uh everyone even from Henry County um coming to let us know what everything will be. Three seven seven will help me and my family to go ahead and put [0:29:35, 0:29:43]: Process everything and put our money aside. Just wanted to thank the council for this wonderful presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Sir, please. [0:29:44, 0:29:45]: Name and address. [0:29:48, 0:30:06]: Richard Cook, three twelve Grove Hill uh Drive Stockbridge. Thank you, sir. Um I had a whole lot of notes here for why we had to pay four hundred dollars more in taxes last year. Uh [0:30:07, 0:30:27]: When we I was not in the city at first, I was one that was annexed in and at that meeting it was kinda implied that they were not gonna go up on our taxes and if it was it was very little. But the very first year mine went up to four hundred went up four hundred dollars more. [0:30:27, 0:30:47]: Uh so I was very disappointed with that. Uh and then uh and now we're trying to do another tax, which from what I'm getting from this meeting is that we've backed off on that tax, so the tax will stay the same as uh [0:30:47, 0:30:52]: uh three point seven and and understand a lot of the stuff you guys talk about. [0:30:54, 0:31:00]: I don't necessarily understand. It's it's a little bit over my head. Uh but [0:31:01, 0:31:05]: I can pick out enough to know that it's harming me and as a senior citizen [0:31:07, 0:31:12]: is is tough'cause you're on a fixed income and [0:31:13, 0:31:33]: it makes it difficult to come up with extra money to pay things like that. Uh but I did I do see now where you're doing the homestead exemption that should take care of a lot of that. Um so for what you've said today it's been encouraging. [0:31:33, 0:31:41]: And I'm glad I came back today. I couldn't sleep last night thinking about having to come up here because. [0:31:42, 0:32:02]: I don't know, I just I'm not one of the best to get in front of people and talk. But another the the main reason I came the first time was the notification of the the possibility of a tax increase. And I say that because [0:32:02, 0:32:22]: A neighbor of mine got a letter. She calls me, did you hear about the tax increase? I said, No. So she sends me the letter. So most everybody I talked to knew nothing about this proposed tax increase. So I [0:32:22, 0:32:42]: I took the letter and I drove through my neighborhood and put it in every box because nobody knew about it. And I understand you're you have to post it in like what is it, the Herald Junior or something, or your website. [0:32:42, 0:33:00]: Well don't go out and buy the Herald or I don't even know if you have to buy it. So why couldn't something be sent to us as a resident and so that we can know about these things? And I mean, when we annexed into the city [0:33:03, 0:33:23]: There was pamphlets everywhere in the mail and coming to our house. So there was no hesitation about trying to get us notified. But this tax is just as important as that. And I just feel like something should be sent to the residents so that they are aware. [0:33:23, 0:33:27]: aware of the problem or aware of what's going on. [0:33:28, 0:33:33]: Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. Come on, sir. Name and address, please. [0:33:36, 0:33:45]: Good morning. Name is Juan Martin. I'm at 624 Armitage Way, North Bridge Crossing Subdivision. [0:33:46, 0:34:06]: Uh I too am quite pleased to know that the uh millage rate's gonna be held at 3.77. And uh I just feel you know that we need to be very creative with all of our tax dollars. As I stated before, I was going on record as against any increase. Many of our neighbors are elderly. [0:34:06, 0:34:26]: fixed income and we're being challenged financially on every side. But I'm thankful for the council. Thank you, Mel, for the work that you guys have done in helping keep the Miller's rate the same. And like I said, let's be creative above board with the all of our tax dollars. Thank you. [0:34:26, 0:34:29]: Thank you. Next next person please. Name and address. [0:34:35, 0:34:37]: Uh good morning. Morning. Go ahead please. Name and address. [0:34:37, 0:34:57]: My name is Laretha Martin and I also live at 624 Armitage Way here in Stockbridge, Georgia. And the last meeting I said something about the time that we are having a meeting. And most of the people here probably are retired and you have working people and it's hard to get people here. [0:34:58, 0:35:00]: to this meeting. [0:35:00, 0:35:19]: Also, I spoke with some of the residents where I live and I s about coming to the council meeting, they really don't have confidence in the council because they say you are gonna do what you wanna do anyway, so what's the need in common? [0:35:20, 0:35:34]: I feel like this when we vote for city council or who w when we vote, we vote looking for someone and expecting someone to look out for the people. [0:35:35, 0:35:51]: In my past, I have seen people over take over certain situations and after a period of time they think it's theirs, but we are you're here to look out for the s first and foremost for the people. [0:35:52, 0:35:55]: Ever since COVID came in [0:35:55, 0:36:15]: And I go when I go to go I just say this, when I go to the grocery store, I can come out with$40 and I have anything. I can look in my freezer and my refrigerator and things are not the way that it should be. Yes, it's a crisis. Everything is going up. Taxes going up. [0:36:15, 0:36:31]: Going up, food is going up, everything is going up. But the people here are because they are concerned about their livelihood. And that's what I that's what I want us to talk about today, is that think about the people. [0:36:32, 0:36:34]: The people that put you up here [0:36:34, 0:36:38]: And it's not a first and foremost it's it's about [0:36:39, 0:36:42]: The people, and that's all I have to say. [0:36:43, 0:36:46]: Thank you. Thank you very much. Ma'am, please, name and address. [0:36:50, 0:36:58]: Good morning everybody. Good morning to you. My name is Claire Kellum, two forty two Hunting Court in Jonesboro. [0:37:01, 0:37:03]: I want to say that um [0:37:07, 0:37:10]: Last week was my first time coming. [0:37:11, 0:37:18]: to the meeting. The first one, uh two ladies came by the neighborhood passing out papers. [0:37:20, 0:37:22]: If they hadn't a cane to my house. [0:37:23, 0:37:26]: I would not have known anything about the meetings. [0:37:27, 0:37:28]: Anything. [0:37:29, 0:37:30]: So [0:37:32, 0:37:33]: I don't know why. [0:37:34, 0:37:38]: How many meetings have been before I came last week? I don't know. [0:37:39, 0:37:39]: Because [0:37:40, 0:37:42]: I didn't get anything. [0:37:43, 0:37:43]: In Mail. [0:37:46, 0:37:49]: When my tax come, it comes in mail. [0:37:52, 0:37:56]: Every year. I get that, but I didn't know nothing about these meetings. [0:37:56, 0:38:00]: And being annexed into the stock bridge thing. [0:38:01, 0:38:03]: Was there a meetings for that? [0:38:05, 0:38:06]: I didn't know anything. [0:38:08, 0:38:10]: So something is not right. [0:38:12, 0:38:15]: Something is not right. So uh [0:38:16, 0:38:18]: It's like what's been said. [0:38:19, 0:38:23]: We are senior citizens. Let's let's be honest, you know. [0:38:24, 0:38:26]: Oh, getting ready to die. [0:38:29, 0:38:30]: Hey, let's face it. [0:38:31, 0:38:32]: I'm almost eighty. [0:38:33, 0:38:35]: Almost eighty years old. [0:38:37, 0:38:42]: My check don't hardly go up two or three dollars. What kind of money is that? [0:38:43, 0:38:45]: Do y'all understand what I'm saying? [0:38:46, 0:38:50]: Some of these people in here probably ain't getting nothing but a SSI check. [0:38:51, 0:38:52]: Gotta eat. [0:38:53, 0:38:55]: You got your utility bills to pay and stuff like that. [0:38:57, 0:38:58]: Property tax. [0:38:58, 0:39:01]: Land and property going up? What for? [0:39:01, 0:39:04]: Isn't it doing us no good? [0:39:04, 0:39:05]: We're not selling. [0:39:05, 0:39:09]: It it could be a million dollars. We're not getting anything out of it. [0:39:10, 0:39:15]: I stand by please. Councilman, I guess we're gonna continue this on. Okay. Go ahead please, ma'am. Continue. [0:39:16, 0:39:22]: Do y'all understand what I'm saying? I'm not trying to be mean or anything. I just, you know, I think I need to speak this. [0:39:24, 0:39:26]: I'm a single woman. I don't have a husband. [0:39:28, 0:39:30]: Do you do y'all understand what I'm saying? [0:39:30, 0:39:35]: Ma'am go ahead just me. Go ahead with your comments, please. Just continue on. So uh I'm [0:39:36, 0:39:38]: На фотос гонку. [0:39:39, 0:39:43]: I'm not my taxes went up over four hundred dollars last year. [0:39:44, 0:39:47]: And I got that exemption, had it since I was sixty two. [0:39:48, 0:39:51]: Been now going up, what for? My money ain't going up. [0:39:52, 0:39:54]: I gotta go buy groceries and stuff. [0:39:54, 0:39:56]: I don't get nothing from the government. [0:39:57, 0:39:58]: I don't get no food stamps. [0:40:01, 0:40:02]: I gotta eat. [0:40:04, 0:40:07]: So please do something for these people. [0:40:07, 0:40:08]: We need it. [0:40:10, 0:40:11]: We need it, said [0:40:13, 0:40:15]: We don't wanna be out in the woods sleeping. [0:40:16, 0:40:18]: On the ground and stuff. [0:40:18, 0:40:21]: Losing out of a house is cause we don't pay tax. [0:40:22, 0:40:25]: And you know that's what'll happen. So is that what's trying to be? [0:40:25, 0:40:29]: Raising the taxes so people can't pay so they can lose their homes? [0:40:31, 0:40:34]: Get real, folks. We got to think. [0:40:35, 0:40:38]: We livin' in the last days now. [0:40:38, 0:40:39]: Thanks. [0:40:40, 0:40:42]: You know, Jesus see all of this. [0:40:43, 0:40:46]: And he's gonna fix it. Somebody's going to hell. [0:40:47, 0:40:49]: Thank you for the comments. [0:40:49, 0:40:55]: Somebody just going to hell because robbing folks and doing lying and doing all God ain't pleased with it. [0:40:56, 0:40:59]: We got to be honest and we got to help people. [0:41:01, 0:41:02]: I'm serious. [0:41:03, 0:41:05]: Do y'all understand? I'm not trying to be mean. [0:41:06, 0:41:07]: But [0:41:07, 0:41:09]: Help somebody. [0:41:10, 0:41:12]: Please do help. [0:41:12, 0:41:15]: Po folks,'cause that's what we are. Ain't no millionaires in here. [0:41:17, 0:41:17]: Mm-hmm. [0:41:18, 0:41:38]: Please, that's all I gotta say. Okay, thank you very much. Uh recommendation once again is three point seven seven. It's not rising and not lowering. That was I opened it up for four comments, four to three point seven seven. So just in case, or anybody against? Anybody against the three point seven seven recommendation? Recommendation it is until we vote. I'm from the left side. Anybody want to speak at [0:41:38, 0:41:43]: That's against this particular recommendation. Anybody in the middle that wants to speak? [0:41:43, 0:41:45]: Anybody in my far right? [0:41:46, 0:41:57]: All right. I see no other hands, nobody raised. Okay. So I'm gonna close that part of our public hearing. All right, on that note. Now, Mr. Gardner, please come back to podium. [0:41:59, 0:42:10]: Yes, sir. If I may. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh thank you for asking Mr. Gardner to come back up. Uh Mayor, if you would or Mr Gardner would [0:42:11, 0:42:14]: Reemphasize the fact that [0:42:15, 0:42:18]: uh taxes in the city of Stockbridge. [0:42:18, 0:42:19]: Are not going up. [0:42:20, 0:42:21]: I think uh [0:42:21, 0:42:23]: Councilman Alexander. [0:42:23, 0:42:26]: Explained it pretty well about the county. [0:42:27, 0:42:28]: And the school board. [0:42:29, 0:42:31]: Which the city of Starkrid has no [0:42:32, 0:42:33]: Control of. [0:42:33, 0:42:36]: But we just need to make it clear. [0:42:36, 0:42:37]: Um [0:42:38, 0:42:38]: Mm-hmm. [0:42:38, 0:42:40]: That the city of Stark Bridge. [0:42:41, 0:42:42]: The taxes are not going up. [0:42:43, 0:42:43]: Thank you. [0:42:45, 0:42:48]: Yes, sir. Um council Councilmember Thomas. So s [0:42:49, 0:42:57]: The current millage rate is three point seven seven mills, which was adopted last year when the city imposed property tax for the first time in thirty plus years. [0:42:57, 0:43:00]: Forty plus years. Um [0:43:00, 0:43:02]: The recommendation is to keep that the same. [0:43:03, 0:43:12]: Um as I explained earlier, what has gone increase is the city's overall value has increased. So [0:43:12, 0:43:15]: As as your house has a value. [0:43:15, 0:43:21]: All houses and businesses in the city has a value that accumulative value is called your tax digest. [0:43:21, 0:43:25]: That has gone up. Had it gone down, obviously d there would be [0:43:25, 0:43:40]: I need to probably raise Miller's rate. Um, I gave that example of when that actually happened in Henry County, but not only just Henry County, across this country. If you owned a home in twenty ten, you saw a precipitous loss of value in your house. [0:43:41, 0:43:45]: Right, I gave my example. My house was port my house for a hundred and thirty four. [0:43:46, 0:43:48]: In in two thousand. [0:43:48, 0:43:51]: In twenty ten it was worth thirty two thousand dollars. [0:43:51, 0:44:02]: If I wanted to sell my house at that time, my number one asset was underwater. I could not refinance my house because my house my my house was less worth less than what [0:44:03, 0:44:04]: I was paying on it. [0:44:05, 0:44:08]: So your house is your biggest asset in the and yes. [0:44:08, 0:44:28]: That is supposed to be our nest egg. So when we do go into retirement and we can't afford to live in a 1,500 square foot house but have to go somewhere else, your goal is to potentially sell it to help pay defray your cost going into your retirement years. Um so that's the good part. The bad part is a downturn in the economy can affect the values in a negative way. [0:44:28, 0:44:29]: Yeah. [0:44:30, 0:44:40]: Um and so yes, so that was the recommendation is to keep the millage rate the same. But what precipitated it is under Georgia law, if your values go up [0:44:40, 0:44:42]: above last year's value. [0:44:43, 0:44:47]: Regardless if you keep the millage rate the same, in Georgia that's considered a tax increase. [0:44:48, 0:45:02]: Okay, I need for you to explain the notification process that goes in the Henry Herald or things that nature. And it could you explain, uh spound on that in reference to uh that notification and or uh the process of notifying the citizens overall. [0:45:03, 0:45:23]: Yeah, so um we're required to, as all com all communities, counties and cities are required to advertise um if there's going to be a millage rate increase in the local organ, in the legal organ. The legal organ for Henry County is the Henry Harrow. So we're required to do that. Um we also [0:45:22, 0:45:40]: post notices obviously on uh on our webpage letting folks know that that's the case. And this year I think the county handled the mil the advertising for the for the Miller's rate was handled by Henry County Tax Assessor's office, um commissioner's office. Um but that's the that is the legal statutory that everybody has to abide by. [0:45:40, 0:46:00]: So the process of sending out in mail outs is not part of the normal process to do this. It is not, no. It has not and that and if we want to do that as something on the that we the city would have to uh pay the bill for to send out to all the residents to uh along with additional notifications. Yes. Everything else. So obviously well this year's well this is we're about done this year. So otherwise [0:46:00, 0:46:11]: that we're gonna do this is something that we the collector units of council will have to decide if we wanna go forward on this, I would imagine, for the next the following years. Yep. And and there's a way that we can make that happen. Um [0:46:11, 0:46:28]: And the key is gonna be timing because we we all should be under one um well that won't work. Uh'cause you only get the bill your bill won't come to you on a regular basis. Um but uh if you're a water customer in the city, yes you can, but [0:46:28, 0:46:35]: We can put notification on there, but not every resident, almost only a third of our residents are actually on Stockbridge water. [0:46:35, 0:46:39]: Everybody else is either on Clayton County or they're on Henry County water. [0:46:40, 0:46:45]: So it's hard to to get that out without doing a a one direct mailer out to the [0:46:46, 0:46:49]: Фіфтін, 16,000 households in the city. [0:46:52, 0:47:05]: And once again, just uh if you could, in reference to November fifth and and the vote for the additional exemptions um that are that were worked out between us and the course of the legislative process. [0:47:05, 0:47:13]: Emphasize please once again the highlights of that upon it being sort of being approved by the citizens, they get an opportunity to vote on this in November. [0:47:13, 0:47:33]: Yes. So last year, as I mentioned, council um voted via resolution to submit to our state delegation, which is our House and our Senate representatives, um at the Georgia General Assembly for a imposition of millage for a millage rate exemption. [0:47:33, 0:47:44]: That tax exemption went through the legislative process at the Georgia General Assembly, was approved in the House, in the Senate, and was signed by the Governor um of the state of Georgia. [0:47:44, 0:48:04]: That will allow for an initiative. In Georgia, cities are political subdivisions of the state, cities and counties. Um and the only way you could form a new city or county is to go through a through that process or dissolve a county, you have to go through that same process. Um and so we've seen cities created. [0:48:04, 0:48:14]: by the legislature through referendum and folks get to vote on it, yes or no. And we've seen them devol dissolve. So have anybody been here long enough to remember Campbell County. [0:48:14, 0:48:17]: Campbell County used to exist in South Fulton County, it's no longer there. [0:48:18, 0:48:24]: Um you will see Kembleton Road, which is a reminder of, but this that county went away years ago. [0:48:24, 0:48:39]: Um so yes, so what that would do as a regular homeowner, um my age, I would qualify as a L one and I would get somewhere around ten to twelve thousand off of my property tax. [0:48:39, 0:48:40]: Um city. [0:48:41, 0:49:01]: If the legislation is approved. For anybody over sixty-two, they would see an additional, I think it's ten or fourteen thousand off their property tax. Um and then um if you also have a house on a septic, you also get that exemption as well. Um and so that process will entail an [0:49:01, 0:49:09]: Michael could take to it, the city's gonna have to do some additional things to be able to gather up all those information on who those people are. [0:49:09, 0:49:16]: um who those folks are on septic and making sure it is accurate and then they could let notify them that they have that exemption. [0:49:16, 0:49:31]: But that's the process. And so in November, on November fifth, general general election, which is presidential this year, you will see that initiative on the ballot that asks you, do you want homestead exemption from property taxes for the city of Stockbridge? [0:49:31, 0:49:37]: As far as you know, that that has never failed. As far as you know. [0:49:37, 0:49:53]: So be it. Council, if you have you got any more questions for Mr. Gardner or Mr. Harris before we uh before I ask for uh a motion. Just one statement. Go ahead, please, sir. Uh the fact is these millage hearings normally occur in July, right? Each year. [0:49:54, 0:49:59]: Yes, by by law they're required to be held in in uh in in July of the year. [0:50:00, 0:50:18]: Uh Michael could speak more to it, but I know there's a time frame on adoption of Yeah. So th the the timing is by law we have to have the bills out at least a minimum sixty days prior to the due date. So we kinda work backwards from that. Our due date is um taxes due on November sixteenth. So we back up so it has to be out to the public by [0:50:19, 0:50:29]: uh September sixteenth. So we like to make sure we have stuff and lumps cushions. So we have to again going back to the adoption date, make sure everything's adopted by the end of July. So that's why [0:50:30, 0:50:50]: Ever since I've been the last five years that I've been here, we've always done all the millage hearings in in July for all the cities and the um in the school board. And typically the county has to be the last one. Everyone else, all the other jurisdictions have to be adopted prior to they have their them having their final adoption. I think one time we got bumped. [0:50:50, 0:50:57]: into like the first or second of August. Um but yeah historically all the cities and the school board takes place um in the month of July. [0:50:57, 0:51:17]: Right, so E that's what I'm saying. We're working on getting the notification out, but understanding these meetings normally occur in July, so you could kind of focus on that when uh if you're seeking the information as we attempt to uh get the information out to you so that you're aware of when these meetings are. So any questions. [0:51:17, 0:51:21]: Question. How many of y'all are going to the school board this afternoon at four o'clock? [0:51:23, 0:51:28]: Where sixty percent of your money is going. You done came to three of these meetings. [0:51:28, 0:51:30]: Where we're not changing it. [0:51:31, 0:51:51]: But sixty percent of your money is going to the school board. And none of y'all are going to the school board meeting this afternoon? I don't know. Maybe they want maybe maybe we shouldn't really ask'em. You already mentioned that. I just wanna I just wanted to ask that okay, and then uh again to reinforce that twenty six percent goes to the county. That'll be set on the thirtieth, so if you might wanna uh go by there. [0:51:51, 0:51:54]: Ms. Barber, go ahead please. [0:51:56, 0:52:00]: Thank you, Mayor. Um this is not these are not questions, these are comments. [0:52:01, 0:52:02]: Um [0:52:02, 0:52:03]: The first thing [0:52:04, 0:52:06]: To notify residents of [0:52:06, 0:52:08]: Updates and things happening in the city. [0:52:09, 0:52:11]: I thought that we are required. [0:52:11, 0:52:13]: To send out quarterly newsletters. [0:52:14, 0:52:15]: to the residents. [0:52:15, 0:52:16]: I know I haven't received any. [0:52:16, 0:52:17]: This year. [0:52:18, 0:52:19]: Um and they were sparingly. [0:52:20, 0:52:20]: sent out. [0:52:20, 0:52:21]: Last year. [0:52:22, 0:52:23]: We need to get back to that. [0:52:24, 0:52:28]: Get back to sending out those newsletters. Just share all the good news. [0:52:28, 0:52:29]: All the upcoming [0:52:30, 0:52:31]: Um events and [0:52:31, 0:52:33]: functions of the city. [0:52:35, 0:52:36]: Uh [0:52:36, 0:52:40]: that will kind of minimize or eliminate some of the questions from residents. [0:52:41, 0:52:49]: As it pertains to the military adoption, I believe residents deserve to know how their tax dollars are being spent. [0:52:49, 0:52:52]: as well as the income of our city. [0:52:52, 0:53:01]: Hence the need to be transparent about the full financials of both sides of the ledgers, expenses and the income. [0:53:01, 0:53:04]: Unfortunately, none of that has been shared. [0:53:04, 0:53:06]: It was shared last year. [0:53:06, 0:53:07]: But not today. [0:53:07, 0:53:10]: Надрин в серии. [0:53:12, 0:53:13]: I believe in good governance. [0:53:14, 0:53:15]: I believe in best practice. [0:53:16, 0:53:21]: I believe in being transparent about our city's finances and being physically responsible. [0:53:22, 0:53:24]: The governing body is comprised of six members. [0:53:25, 0:53:26]: Including the mayor. [0:53:27, 0:53:30]: The governing body cannot make sound decisions. [0:53:30, 0:53:33]: without receiving regular financial updates. [0:53:34, 0:53:36]: This military adoption is too important. [0:53:37, 0:53:39]: For the council, for the governing body. [0:53:40, 0:53:42]: То на хав бен резів. [0:53:42, 0:53:44]: Full financials. [0:53:45, 0:53:47]: So we are basically making a decision. [0:53:47, 0:53:49]: Based on the recommendation. [0:53:50, 0:53:50]: Of staff. [0:53:51, 0:53:53]: With no financial information. [0:53:54, 0:53:55]: I don't know. [0:53:56, 0:53:59]: Whether or not this three point seven seven militray [0:53:59, 0:54:00]: Is even needed. [0:54:01, 0:54:06]: I don't know what the financial status of our city is. [0:54:07, 0:54:08]: I don't know any of it. [0:54:09, 0:54:10]: I'm the only one asking. [0:54:11, 0:54:13]: The council takes the position of [0:54:14, 0:54:20]: if there are only if there are three members of the governing body asking [0:54:20, 0:54:22]: Then staff will move on it. [0:54:22, 0:54:25]: They won't move on it if it's only one person. [0:54:25, 0:54:26]: Asking. [0:54:27, 0:54:28]: I'm the only one asking. [0:54:30, 0:54:31]: I will oppose. [0:54:31, 0:54:32]: Thank you, sir. [0:54:32, 0:54:34]: No problem. Any other comments from the council we asked for? [0:54:34, 0:54:36]: A motion to adopt this. Mayor. [0:54:36, 0:54:48]: Yes, ma'am. I have a a question. Go ahead. Uh no well, not even a question, it's more so a comment. Yes. I just didn't wanna from time time and time again we um we hear [0:54:49, 0:55:03]: the concerns of our constituents. A lot of times those concerns may not be something that we can really deal with, like the economy in general. We all are hurting. I'm I'm very aware of that. [0:55:03, 0:55:06]: I think America's hurting. The inflation's [0:55:06, 0:55:07]: Killing all of us, you're right. [0:55:08, 0:55:11]: You know, we go to the grocery store, we pay a hundred dollars and you get [0:55:11, 0:55:17]: Five items compared to the ten you used to have two years ago or three years ago. So we are hurting. [0:55:18, 0:55:36]: Um and I acknowledge that. I think we all on this council have acknowledged that. And we do have a duty to be financially, physically responsible. Um we I believe that the mayor council have have done so and we all individually do our homework. Um [0:55:37, 0:55:41]: And so be it. But I I do have I'm very sympathetic. [0:55:42, 0:56:02]: I totally understand where I'm a single parent, a single mom. Um and so we are hurting. America's hurting. And um I just pray for our country. And I uh I want to let you know I hear you loud and clear. Um we represent you on a municipal level. A lot of the [0:56:02, 0:56:11]: things and a lot of uh things that were discussed even with Councilman Alexander talking about where our dollars are from that taxes from [0:56:12, 0:56:16]: The the board of education having sixty up to sixty percent, fifty nine percent. [0:56:17, 0:56:20]: And then the county having the board education in the county. [0:56:20, 0:56:26]: All the way down to the water authority having five percent, whether you have water or not. [0:56:26, 0:56:33]: Those things are things that we all have to take into consideration. Um, education and knowledge of those things are key. [0:56:34, 0:56:54]: They are key and we are doing what we can do for the best interest of this constituents here in Stockbridge. That is what I do. And so, you know, I just ask that you continue to support and pray for us. If you ever have any problems, reach out to us as you are doing right now. One of the reasons why we have attended [0:56:54, 0:57:01]: ten o'clock meeting. We also have six o'clock meetings. We had some ten o'clock meetings for seniors who can't drive at night. [0:57:01, 0:57:16]: Or who don't leave after five or six o'clock. I just want you guys to know the reasoning of why we do what we do. We try to be fair and well-rounded. And trust me and believe me, we can't please everyone. [0:57:17, 0:57:35]: We don't please everyone, no matter what we do. If it's a Christmas tree, why you say Christmas? If it's a holiday, why are you celebrating this? So it's always someone that's not gonna be pleased. But we try to do what's in the best interest of our city and what the majority [0:57:35, 0:57:41]: of w what we think the constituents would want. And we do what we do based off of what is needed. [0:57:41, 0:57:53]: We have agreed as mayor and council even as of last year that we were not raising taxes and we did not raise taxes when it was time to and when it was time to annex. [0:57:54, 0:58:14]: There was a discussion that there will be a tax. And the reason for the tax was for the police department that we heard from constituents say that they wanted. That was the biggest demand. You wanted districts, you wanted a police department. When you want certain things, you have to pay for certain things. We also got a rollback from the county. [0:58:14, 0:58:34]: With those taxes. So if you got a four hundred dollar increase, then it didn't all come from the city of Stockbridge. It was an increase because the property values increased. And it's also an increase, we did a rollback so that it would balance out based off of what the money that you were used to pay the county versus what you pay the [0:58:34, 0:58:37]: Because we added in a service from the city. [0:58:38, 0:58:52]: And so those are things and those are things that are key that I think that mayor and council, I challenge each and every one of us, including our PIO officer and everyone here, all the stakeholders, to get to know the reasons why we do what we do. [0:58:53, 0:58:56]: But we're not just here saying let's have a ten o'clock meeting. [0:58:56, 0:58:58]: I don't want to be here at 10 o'clock. I have to go to work. [0:58:59, 0:59:00]: I'm in court. [0:59:00, 0:59:10]: But we are doing that so that everyone gets a chance for an opportunity to be heard. And just as Mr. Harris stated [0:59:10, 0:59:14]: Just to just to let you know, we're gonna it's gonna come out again next year. [0:59:14, 0:59:23]: Every as long as you have a tax, you have to have a hearing, whether you're increasing it or not. And there are always people on social media. [0:59:24, 0:59:44]: Next door, Facebook, you name it, they read it wrong, they get it wrong, or they haven't heard. Hey, we don't plan on raising the taxes. We're not gonna raise them. So everybody gets all excited and up in arms. Thank you for being here and thank you for being concerned. But just know, we have to pay those same taxes. [0:59:43, 0:59:48]: taxes to and I don't want to either. So I get it. We've been taxed to death. [0:59:49, 0:59:50]: I get it. [0:59:50, 0:59:51]: We get it. [0:59:53, 1:00:02]: Believe me, if we cannot pay taxes, I I don't believe anybody up here says, tax me, tax me. I don't know who would say that. [1:00:03, 1:00:10]: So I just want to kind of express those things to you because you never get a chance to see. [1:00:10, 1:00:15]: what it is from this side or what we're thinking and then why we do what we do. [1:00:16, 1:00:16]: Thank you. [1:00:17, 1:00:22]: All right, on that note, uh Mayor Ford. Yes, sir, please. If I may briefly Yes sir, go ahead, please. [1:00:22, 1:00:42]: I I just want to echo some of the things that my councilman has stated and and I think these comments before we take the vote are very important because I think oftentimes, uh, yes, citizen, you elect us in these positions and you elect us because you trust us. But as been indicated, [1:00:42, 1:00:43]: [3643.6, 3646.9]: Uh, there's a lot that goes on. [1:00:47, 1:00:50]: uh in a municipal government [1:00:51, 1:00:51]: Да [1:00:52, 1:00:54]: Decisions have to be made. [1:00:55, 1:00:59]: And if you live in a municipality or or city [1:01:00, 1:01:02]: The operations [1:01:02, 1:01:03]: Of that city. [1:01:04, 1:01:08]: When you see improvements in your roads [1:01:10, 1:01:11]: When you see [1:01:12, 1:01:13]: Um [1:01:14, 1:01:16]: Infrastructure. [1:01:16, 1:01:17]: Sewage. [1:01:18, 1:01:25]: Quality water. Y'all are familiar with the incident that happened in Flint, Michigan a few years ago. [1:01:26, 1:01:39]: So all of these things, you know, the resurfacing, you know, we try to deal with the potholes. Uh we have parks that we try to allow folks to have the wellness issues. [1:01:40, 1:01:44]: But the overall operation of a municipality [1:01:44, 1:01:47]: It takes a lot and there's a lot of decisions. [1:01:47, 1:01:55]: I'm a citizen and I'm a senior citizen as well. I'm not too far too far behind this lady right here. Um [1:01:56, 1:02:04]: But the things that and the quality of life that we all want, you know, in our life. [1:02:04, 1:02:08]: It comes at a cost, and across this country. [1:02:08, 1:02:28]: Everybody's crying about things are going up. Um, I've lived long enough that things always go up. And for 40 years we did not have a police service. I lived in Stockbridge when we did have police service, and that was a tax. When the police department went away, the tax went away. [1:02:28, 1:02:29]: [3750.6, 3753.5]: So as Councilwoman Gantt indicated that [1:02:33, 1:02:36]: There were hearings indicated that [1:02:36, 1:02:42]: The sit of Stockbridge needed that public safety back again. And as you know, [1:02:42, 1:02:44]: Public safety costs. [1:02:45, 1:02:47]: It costs. [1:02:47, 1:02:47]: No. [1:02:48, 1:02:53]: If crime was running rapid all over the city of Stockbridge, [1:02:53, 1:02:55]: This room would be full of [1:02:55, 1:02:59]: Crying, where is police services in the city of Stockbridge? [1:03:00, 1:03:11]: So we had to be proactive to bring that back. And so when public safety came back, attacks came with it because we know that [1:03:11, 1:03:19]: Cars, ammunition, bulletproof vests, all of the things that public service needs, it costs. [1:03:20, 1:03:22]: So we're not just [1:03:22, 1:03:28]: you know, passing an increase in tax as one said, we you know, we have to pay this very same tax. [1:03:29, 1:03:34]: But in order for a municipality to operate [1:03:35, 1:03:40]: There are certain things that has to go into it. And if you want the quality of life [1:03:41, 1:03:54]: These decisions that we are making, it's all about the quality of life. It's unfortunate that, you know, you got gouging in grocery stores and gas and things like it it is unfortunate. [1:03:56, 1:03:57]: But it's life. [1:03:58, 1:04:04]: But we do the best we can to try to make sure if you live in the city of Stockbridge, [1:04:04, 1:04:22]: that you got a quality of life. And I know since January we're into the district now and I've been engaging with folks that are in my district try to give information, trying to work with them on issues, et cetera, et cetera. Someone mentioned before about um the encampments and how it was [1:04:23, 1:04:25]: um bearing on their neighborhood. [1:04:27, 1:04:29]: The city had to come in and clean that up. [1:04:30, 1:04:34]: Now they charged back to the property owner, but the city had to come in and do that. [1:04:35, 1:04:36]: So my point is this. [1:04:38, 1:04:41]: Municipal governments are [1:04:41, 1:04:45]: It's a very challenging time for all of us. [1:04:45, 1:04:50]: To be able to do what we need to do uh for cities. [1:04:51, 1:04:55]: And when you talk about cities, you're talking about citizens and residents. [1:04:55, 1:05:07]: But please just look at your roads, look at um all of your infrastructure, the sewage, having quality water, having public surf t safety. [1:05:08, 1:05:10]: Look at all of these things. [1:05:10, 1:05:13]: All of these things goes into [1:05:13, 1:05:16]: А сити'с Операціона Бюджет [1:05:20, 1:05:36]: And so I just wanna close just by saying, you know, we do the best we can do. We live in this city. What we do here, you know, we're doing it to ourselves as well. I'm retired. So hey, it it's a burden on me too, but I have to bite the bullet. [1:05:37, 1:05:57]: But if I live in this city, I want to make sure that when I walk out my house, I'm safe. My streets, I don't want my car torn up because I don't wanna be hitting potholes every day. I want quality water. I don't want sewage spills all over the city being infected by that. But there's a [1:05:57, 1:06:03]: a lot more and it just I just hit the surface about what's a municipality has to do. [1:06:04, 1:06:11]: And I think we have a really good staff, we have professional staff, and they're out there every day. [1:06:11, 1:06:17]: uh learn and get and train and and try to, you know, provide a great city. [1:06:18, 1:06:20]: But it it's not easy. [1:06:20, 1:06:30]: And I would love to trade this seat, you know, w one of you all one day and get up here and have to make some of these tough decisions. But you're bombarded with [1:06:31, 1:06:33]: All of the information [1:06:34, 1:06:39]: that it takes to run this city and all of the issues um [1:06:40, 1:06:49]: The police department years ago, it was corrupt and that's why it took it down. Just like I say, the tax went away. But if you know anything about crime, [1:06:51, 1:06:55]: We all site six o'clock news, and I think we're fortunate. [1:06:55, 1:06:59]: that the city of Stockbridge is not experiencing [1:06:59, 1:07:02]: A lot of the crimes that we're reading about [1:07:03, 1:07:11]: But thank God that we have a Stybridge Police Department that's proactive. And this is what we're trying to prevent now. [1:07:11, 1:07:13]: Can you prevent crime? [1:07:14, 1:07:15]: No. [1:07:16, 1:07:23]: But you know, you just have to do the best you can do. But I think we're fortunate right now. But again, may I thank you in counsel. Um [1:07:25, 1:07:42]: We're not increasing the millage at this point in time because we hear you and we we are doing just enough to make sure that whatever we do, that this city can still operate. [1:07:43, 1:07:44]: Efficiently [1:07:44, 1:08:04]: effectively and efficiently. And we do this because we are always trying to make sure that the city of Stockbridge is at the top as far as quality of life. And this is what we're trying to do. And I think some of you really appreciate, you know, what you see in this city. But I [1:08:04, 1:08:07]: understand it too that we come here because [1:08:08, 1:08:27]: You know, who who love to pay more in taxes? I know I don't. But, you know, some things just come with life and we just have to do the best we can do. But I just thank all of you all for coming out and we love to hear from you. Uh I I'm I'm I don't feel bad of any of the comments that we've heard. I think a lot of time we just have to be a little bit more [1:08:28, 1:08:42]: uh understanding and a little bit more uh education and I'm gonna agree with um Councilwoman Barber about, you know, the newsletter. And we're gonna get back to that. And I'll just say this too. Th there are other council members [1:08:43, 1:08:47]: asking about financial report because the decisions that we have to make [1:08:48, 1:08:50]: We had to have information. [1:08:50, 1:08:53]: In order for us to make a sound decision. [1:08:54, 1:09:10]: And I I agree with that. But uh I'm going to encourage too the staff to get back to the newsletter because there's a lot of information that can be provided to citizens in the newsletter. So we'll get back to that. Thank you, Mayor. No problem, no problem. Mayor for Tim, very pleased. [1:09:11, 1:09:31]: Good morning again to everyone. And first of all, again, I want to thank everyone for coming out this morning and those who have come to the previous meetings as well. I think it's important for what has been said today to be restated that this council has definitely heard you today. Uh we've heard you the previous days as well. And rest assured your voices are not [1:09:31, 1:09:49]: unheard. And so the actions of this council today will definitely represent the voice of the citizens of Stockbridge, but not just today, every day moving forward. I believe my peers and those sitting around me today, as the youngest member of this council and the newest member of this council, we all come from different perspectives and different [1:09:50, 1:09:58]: backgrounds. And uh me, I'm not a single father, but I am married. But my wife and I, we have seven children. [1:09:58, 1:10:18]: And the same expenses that you struggle with as seniors, we struggle with is parents, college, tuition, clothing, all the things that you guys are talking about, it's not foreign to us either. We're also residents. We're council members, but we're also residents. And we hurt the same way you hurt, we bleed the same way you bleed, and we work hard the same way. [1:10:18, 1:10:38]: Where you work hard, and we want to stretch our dollar the best way we can. Everybody here does. And so we'll never, ever, ever, ever compromise that for you guys. And I just want you guys to understand that there is integrity on these seats. And there are people who hear your voices. I want to get to that place one day where I can apply for an exemption. I'm not able yet, but I want to get to that. [1:10:38, 1:10:50]: get there. So I aspire to be where you guys are because it is a testament to what this country was built on. Hard work, determination, all that good stuff. And so even though we're not there yet, we want to be. [1:10:50, 1:10:51]: We wanna be. [1:10:52, 1:11:02]: And so I just want you to know that we hear you today. These notices that you guys asked for, we don't get that. We're gonna get those things in the mail, in your mailbox. We don't get that stuff. [1:11:02, 1:11:22]: We're gonna get you guys the uh updated information, have more town halls, and get you guys a chance to come out and ask these questions beforehand so you don't have to rush in here and and feel like you've been, you know, misrepresented or whatever the case may be. I just want you to know today, if you don't don't get anything else from this, we hear you and we care about. [1:11:22, 1:11:25]: And we understand what you're going through. [1:11:25, 1:11:28]: It may not be the same story, but we all got one. [1:11:29, 1:11:49]: And we're in this thing together. The city of Stockbridge is a great place to live. That's why I moved here. And that's why I chose to raise my kids here. And so the same reason why you guys are here, this is what makes us great. This diversity across this room. And I appreciate every single person in here, resident, employees, staff members, everybody who does this great work to keep this city looking. [1:11:48, 1:11:55]: Looking the way it does and working the way it does, your money is going to good places. It's not wasted. [1:11:55, 1:11:58]: And I want you to understand that in the staff you're doing a great job. [1:11:59, 1:12:07]: Public Works is doing a great job. Police department's doing a great job. We see it. I know it bothers us. When the m when the price goes up, it bothers us. [1:12:08, 1:12:28]: But we know we're getting it, right? We're getting it. It still stings. I don't ever want to pay it, but you know you're getting it and you're getting quality. And I just want to thank you guys. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being who you are and showing up today and getting other people to show up. Thank you. Keep doing what you're doing and call us, email us, text us. [1:12:28, 1:12:31]: Whatever it is, if you got a voice of concern, I wanna hear it. [1:12:33, 1:12:43]: And I know my councilmates want to hear it. Everybody here is compassionate about Stockbridge. We may do it in a different way, but we're all passionate about the citizens of Stockbridge. Thank you guys. [1:12:44, 1:13:04]: Yeah, thank you. Oh, you have something to say, sir? Yes, briefly. Okay. Go ahead, please. Let me just say this. Right now I want to echo thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you all for those comments because understanding this is a tough job, but and I and I tell people this is that we don't do it for the money, certainly not, because money's not that good. [1:13:04, 1:13:24]: We do it because we care about the community. And we want to make sure. And I say this all the time. I want to see my granddaughter grow up. I want to see her grow up here. And a lot of times we have tough decisions to make. And the kids see things differently than we see it sometimes. You know, some of the times we get shocked and scared when we say, [1:13:24, 1:13:44]: Well, we see an apartment coming up in our neighborhood. But my kid, my daughter lives in an apartment, and I get to see my granddaughter because their new apartment is there. I enjoy seeing her. I want to see her grow up. And because they can't afford a$350,000 house, she can't afford the apartment. [1:13:44, 1:14:04]: They sit there, I see them, and I get to see them regularly. And they told us that per company, you know, listen, when I get out of high school and I graduate, and your grandkids graduate, do they want to come back to Henry County? They took a survey and it says 70% of them said, Nope, it's nothing to do for us to do. I took that to heart and I said, you know what I want. [1:14:04, 1:14:24]: I want to provide a place for my kids that when they're after college and after education to come back and to live and to drive and to f to flourish here in this community. And at the top of that, I wanted them to be safe. The community is safe. You see the two officers back here? They want the finest police force and the model. [1:14:24, 1:14:32]: For America is what our goal is, and that your community is safe. And today, because we did that, crime is down. [1:14:33, 1:14:40]: That's right. Crime is down in this city. And the chief is doing a good job. All of the officers are doing a magnificent job. [1:14:41, 1:15:01]: We gotta understand and take that to heart. When I hear that a hundred people got shot in Chicago over one weekend, and then I see on next door where people are saying, you know, this is going on, they pick an isolated crime and they drill down on that because one crime happened. W the police department is not gonna prevent. [1:15:01, 1:15:09]: Every crime. And as the chief said, our prime pretty much is petty crime, the petty theft, and that kind of thing at Walmart. [1:15:10, 1:15:30]: But most of the time what we see and then any time that we see a unfortunate incident where somebody is harmed, it's normally a domestic situation where somebody got injured upon as someone who is familiar to them, not a stranger randomly coming up and robbing you or something like that. So the community. [1:15:30, 1:15:50]: Is relatively safe, and I will say this, and I'll go to my grave saying it. We made the right decision to start the police department. That required a millage. I would do it again, and I would never change that decision because it was the right decision to set the community on a solid foundation, and it will continue to move forward. [1:15:49, 1:16:06]: in a safe manner. I go to grip my grave with that, saying that decision was the right decision. And we'll continue to do that. And certainly I wanna close that and certainly Mayor, I'd make the motion if you Yeah, well I was gonna go there next, but if you want to do that, go right here, sir. [1:16:06, 1:16:13]: Thank you. I appreciate you all coming out and I wanna set the city millage this year at three point seven seven unchanged. [1:16:13, 1:16:14]: Is there a second? [1:16:15, 1:16:20]: Uh that was m that was m Allen? Al okay, Mr. Thomas second that motion. All in favor, please indicate. [1:16:20, 1:16:21]: Oppose. [1:16:22, 1:16:33]: I oppose and if I could add a comment, sir. Okay, s once before you say that, so it's uh three no four four one it passes. Comment coming. Go ahead, please. I oppose because [1:16:34, 1:16:35]: Not that I don't [1:16:35, 1:16:36]: Think [1:16:36, 1:16:37]: than a military. [1:16:37, 1:16:38]: Is necessary. [1:16:39, 1:16:40]: I just don't know. [1:16:41, 1:16:42]: It's not that I don't think. [1:16:43, 1:16:43]: Um [1:16:46, 1:16:53]: Not that I don't think it's necessary. It's just that the council has not been provided full financials. [1:16:53, 1:16:56]: We've talked about the expenses of the city. [1:16:56, 1:16:59]: But we have not talked about the income. [1:16:59, 1:17:00]: The revenue. [1:17:00, 1:17:01]: Of a city. [1:17:02, 1:17:05]: We've talked about the millage rate. [1:17:05, 1:17:08]: Being adopted originally because of the police department. [1:17:08, 1:17:10]: But we also have another [1:17:11, 1:17:12]: Capital Asset. [1:17:12, 1:17:14]: That no one wants to talk about here. [1:17:14, 1:17:16]: It's the operations of the amphitheater. [1:17:17, 1:17:18]: None of that information. [1:17:18, 1:17:20]: is being provided. [1:17:20, 1:17:22]: to the full governing body. [1:17:23, 1:17:24]: I oppose. [1:17:25, 1:17:26]: We need to be transparent. [1:17:26, 1:17:27]: About the way we govern. [1:17:28, 1:17:29]: And the way we do business. [1:17:29, 1:17:32]: Thank you, sir. I need a motion to end our meeting, please. [1:17:33, 1:17:33]: So well. [1:17:34, 1:17:35]: Uh excuse me. [1:17:35, 1:17:41]: So m so m so move. So for Miss Gantt, second. Second, Mr. Berry second. All favor, please indicate. [1:17:42, 1:17:44]: Morning, meeting and journal. God bless you all. Thank you for being here.

--- title: Special Called Meeting Public Hearing 2 Millage Rate date: 2024-07-19 source: 2024-07-19_Special_Called_Meeting_Public_Hearing_2_Millage_Rate.wav --- [0:00:07, 0:00:09]: Ms. Holliday, are we alive yet? [0:00:25, 0:00:26]: Okay, he's he's on this side. [0:00:43, 0:00:43]: Okay. [0:00:45, 0:01:02]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to open up this uh public uh hearing in reference to uh our millage uh rate. And so I have uh ten oh five and I'll call the meeting order. And please stand for the invocation. Mayor Pro Tem Berry, please. [0:01:04, 0:01:24]: Let us bow our hands. Let us pray. Eternal God, our Father, we thank you this morning for first of all waking us up and giving us a fresh start to a brand new day with new grace and new mercy. We pray for the city of Stockbridge and all of its citizens today that are here for public hearing. We pray, Lord God, that this meeting will go well, that we will go, Lord God, that you will order our steps. In your son Jesus' name we pray. Amen. [0:01:24, 0:01:40]: Amen. Pledge allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:01:41, 0:01:42]: Roll call, Madam Clerk, please. [0:01:47, 0:01:49]: Good morning. Morning. [0:01:49, 0:01:54]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Timberry. Present. Councilmember Alexander. [0:01:54, 0:01:56]: Present. Councilmember Barker. Present. [0:01:57, 0:01:58]: Councilmember Gantt. [0:01:59, 0:02:04]: That the record reflects Council Member Gantt is not in attendance. Council Member Thomas. [0:02:05, 0:02:25]: Let the record reflect. Council Member Thomas is not in attendance. Mayor forward, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate it. Council, I need adoption, a motion to adopt the agenda, please. So move. Is there a second? Mr. From Math, Mr. Alexander and Ms. Uh Barber, all in favor, please indicate. You can unanimous decision on that aspect. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a public hearing and before we get started. [0:02:25, 0:02:41]: on the actual dialogue. Let me read you the public hearing rules. Please mute mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out a form available on the table and hand it to a city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:02:42, 0:03:02]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant of the representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with or with any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have [0:03:02, 0:03:03]: [183.8, 189.6]: East side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended at the discretion of the council. [0:03:10, 0:03:30]: Please keep uh comments and presentation professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. Will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual or group. Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding officer recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer. [0:03:30, 0:03:50]: and never to the members of the council, staff, or to the audience. All comments will be made from the podium, where you will be required to state your name and address for the record. Please note these hearings are not a debate. Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. [0:03:49, 0:04:09]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part or or part of his or her speaking time as rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the counsel may ask the applicant to address questions andor concerns. [0:04:09, 0:04:29]: The presiding officer will call for a motion and second to the motion and we'll have a necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. That's our public hearing rules for this morning. And the first item, of course, since the public hearing in reference to millage rate will be a millage rate discussion presentation by Mr. [0:04:29, 0:04:40]: Mr. Frederick Gardner, our city manager. But before we get started, I want to the citizens to know that we have Michael Harrison, our tax commissioner, for here in Henry County along with the staff present. So thank you, Mr. Harrison, your staff for being here with us today. [0:04:41, 0:04:42]: Okay, thank you very much. [0:04:42, 0:04:43]: I'd um [0:04:44, 0:04:52]: Ms. Gardner, sir, please proceed to the Mr. Thank you. Good morning, Mayor, good morning, Council, and good morning to the residents and staff um present with us here. [0:04:52, 0:05:01]: Um today we're gonna do a presentation, uh second presentation for uh public hearing, second pres second presentation on the setting of our military. [0:05:02, 0:05:22]: So as we mentioned at our first meeting on Monday, um Stockbridge is a growing city, uh and Stockbridge continues to grow as a city. Um over the last twenty years the city has added over uh thirty thousand people to its city limits. [0:05:22, 0:05:42]: um through annexations and just through general growth alone. And as we know, those growth comes with the need for services um in and around the city, uh as it relates to public works and specifically as it relates to our new police department. And so those are some of our chief cost indicators as we go through this [0:05:42, 0:05:56]: growth period. So we as the staff have been working diligently to put together a preliminary budget um for all of our general fund departments. Um and based on that we are able to deduct a miller's rate to support [0:05:56, 0:06:01]: Um providing those continue p continue providing those services to our residents and businesses. [0:06:03, 0:06:13]: So the millage rate. So from last year to this year, our millage rate pretty much grew from one point eight six billion to one point nine four billion. [0:06:14, 0:06:34]: Um that is a four point four percent increase. And under Georgia law, um whether we move the millage rate or not, that is considered would be considered a tax break uh tax increase if we don't go to the rollback. All right. Our current millage rate is set at three point seven seven. That was set last year um with the initial uh [0:06:34, 0:06:54]: um tax rate millage. And during that time we had advertised uh a millage last year of six with the understanding that we know we were gonna come in lower than that number. And we came in at 3.77. Um for this year we did pretty much the same not go as high as we did last year, but looking at all [0:06:53, 0:07:13]: The evidence we advertise at 4.25 as our placeholder and under the law, we can't go any higher than that if we needed to. So whatever number you advertise, you can go below it from zero to that number, but you can't go above it once you advertise it. So we said that. [0:07:13, 0:07:33]: Um recommended village rate, which was to keep the millage rate at 3.77. So our millage rate will not be increasing. So the only thing that precipitated the need for our public hearings is the growth in the city's values as a whole. And that growth is not universal. I learned that from our first meeting. So one of the ladies took the city. [0:07:33, 0:07:42]: That came up that I went after the meeting to sit down with her property value actually went from 312,000 to 302,000. [0:07:43, 0:07:49]: Right. So her property actually lost value this year. Um and so that's pretty much evident. [0:07:50, 0:08:03]: Um based on the reason why you see some of our adjacent cities have twelve percent growth and we have a four point four percent growth. So not all of our properties are actually seeing increases, and that was evident in speaking with that homeowner yesterday on Monday. [0:08:06, 0:08:10]: I try to make this a little bigger, but this is what our digest look like. [0:08:10, 0:08:16]: So over the over the last few years, our property values have gone from just under a million in twenty nineteen billion. [0:08:17, 0:08:19]: to over one point nine billion um [0:08:20, 0:08:21]: in twenty twenty four. [0:08:22, 0:08:24]: And based on that we have exemptions [0:08:24, 0:08:27]: Uh we have motor vehicles which came in at three point four. [0:08:27, 0:08:30]: Mi uh mil um miljun dollars. [0:08:30, 0:08:37]: Mobile home which we still have mobile homes here in the city at two million. We don't have timber anymore. I hadn't had that in a long time. [0:08:37, 0:08:40]: Um and then the heavy duty equipment. [0:08:41, 0:08:52]: And then you see when you add all of those up that gives you your gross digest. And then we have exemptions. So there's about forty four point seven million dollars of exemptions. Most of those apply through the county. [0:08:52, 0:09:00]: Um, for home moon is existing. And I'll talk a little bit more about what how that's gonna impact us this year. So our net digest was one point nine. [0:09:01, 0:09:06]: um mil um billion dollars. Uh when you apply uh three point seven seven million to that. [0:09:07, 0:09:27]: Remember you have to do the forty percent rule and then you apply a miller's rate of three point seven seven. Um we should get right around seven point one million in taxes. Last year it was projected at six point eight. That is about a three hundred and six thousand dollar difference. So it's not a huge by any stretch um difference between the two. And that [0:09:27, 0:09:29]: That's what precipitates the four point four growth rate. [0:09:30, 0:09:48]: So how does that apply um to homes across our a category? So a house that's worth uh a hundred and fifty is appraised at a hundred and fifty, assessed forty percent of that assessed is the assessed value, which is sixty thousand. That's what you're taxed on. Once you apply [0:09:48, 0:09:54]: The three point seven seven mil it's two hundred and twenty six dollars a year or [0:09:54, 0:10:01]: And if the rollback is two sixteen, the difference between the two is pretty much nine dollars and fifty-eight cents. [0:10:01, 0:10:14]: uh annually or eighty cents a month. On average our homes are right around two hundred and seventy to two hundred and eighty. That's the median homes in Stockbridge. So a house in that category [0:10:14, 0:10:34]: Uh of two hundred and seventy-five, the assessed value with their tax on is 110. Um the wheel rollback millage rate will be three hundred and ninety-seven. The projected uh recommended rate of three point seven seven will be four hundred and ten, and that equates to about a seventeen dollars and fifty-six cents increase. [0:10:34, 0:10:39]: increase on an annual basis or one dollars and forty six cents a month. [0:10:40, 0:10:49]: And that's pretty much there. Uh currently the cities uh that have millage rate, McDonough's at three point zero zero, Hampton is at four point oh. [0:10:49, 0:10:51]: And I think Henry's at twelve point seven. [0:10:52, 0:10:56]: So that gives you an idea of what if your house falls in that range, what you'll be paying. [0:11:00, 0:11:12]: And this kind of clarifies that for some of the houses around the city and what their um assess uh assessed uh property tax values are, appraised values are, once you apply to three point seven seven, what that looks like. [0:11:20, 0:11:29]: And uh preliminary budget to kinda get a idea. So if we go to the rollback three point six, um that would put us right about three hundred and five um [0:11:30, 0:11:30]: Over [0:11:30, 0:11:33]: uh revenues to expenses at three point seven seven [0:11:34, 0:11:36]: that actually balances out. [0:11:36, 0:11:42]: Um and any higher than that, obviously those other options don't count because the staff is recommending three point seven seven mils. [0:11:47, 0:11:57]: So when we talk about taxing entities in Henry County, you have four taxing entities that that apply taxes to your property. [0:11:57, 0:12:17]: Um one being the Water Authority. They have a two mil tax on all properties in Henry County. So for our residents, some of whom are not on Henry County water, they're strictly on the city of Stockbridge, or they are on Clayton County water, depending on where you live. So if you live closer to the west side of the city, you [0:12:17, 0:12:19]: You get Clayton County if you're in the north [0:12:20, 0:12:40]: East, we're on our west side, which would be straight up Bali Hill Road, that area in there, you're on Clayton County water. So you're still being taxed, a two-mil tax by the water authority for the air services that they don't give you. Um and then you have the city at 3.7 is pretty much eleven. [0:12:40, 0:12:42]: Um percent of that dollar. [0:12:42, 0:12:53]: Henry County is at about twenty six percent and the school board is right at about sixty to fifty nine percent. So literally if you put that in terms of dol a dollar and a cent limit. [0:12:54, 0:13:00]: On a dollar sixty cents, sixty cents goes to the school board, twenty-six cents goes to the county. [0:13:00, 0:13:09]: Eleven cents comes to the city and five cents goes to the water authority. And those are the folks that you pay for tape to property tax to in Henry County. [0:13:11, 0:13:16]: This is our second meeting. We have one more meeting after this, which will be held on Monday. [0:13:16, 0:13:36]: uh at ten a.m. and that's where council will vote on a millage rate, what millage rate that will be. Um staff is recommending to hold the millage rate at three point seven seven. Um and then the millist rate once adopted by council at that next meeting will apply to your properties for this upcoming tax season. But also be mindful that on [0:13:36, 0:13:52]: On your ballot in November, um, which we have a general election this year, you will have a ballot initiative which will allow for you to vote yes for homestead exemption on city of Stockbridge property tax. And that'll take effect in 2025. [0:13:52, 0:13:54]: Um that application process will [0:13:54, 0:14:02]: will be look similar to Henry County's but it you will have to apply here at City Hall for it and we'll make that available um as soon as the [0:14:03, 0:14:12]: The bali the tally is counted on the votes. Um if it's approved, we'll make that available for folks to start applying for their homestead exemption shortly thereafter. [0:14:15, 0:14:35]: And that's the end of my presentation. Thank you, Ms. Garner. I appreciate that. And obviously that uh that vote is is Tuesday, November 5th, if I got the date right. That is correct. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, I have uh initially uh uh mentioned to you about the tax commissioner and Michael Harrison's staff being here. I now want to also mention to you that State Representative Demetrius Douglas is also present with us. If you want to raise your hand there, sir. [0:14:35, 0:14:55]: Okay. Uh Council, we have any questions right now for Mr. Gardner? Uh we've been to this presentation before, but let me know if anybody had any specific comments before we open up to the public. Mayor. Go right here, sir. Certainly I appreciate the excellent presentation, Mr. Gardner, and certainly we have [0:14:55, 0:15:15]: Uh this a different some additional constituents that we had on Monday, but the presentation is excellent. But I just want to make sure we hit the key points. First of all, the staff recommendation, even though the advertised rate was 4.125, the staff recommendation is to fully fund the budget, we can [0:15:15, 0:15:35]: can leave the millage rate unchanged at 3.77. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Okay, now there I think last year we did the same thing. Uh uh as you said, um we the advertised millage rate was six percent, but we ended up setting the millage rate at three point seven seven, which is uh, [0:15:35, 0:15:55]: what we did here. The staff recommendation was four point uh one two five uh last year, but the council opted to take the lower rate and I made the motion to take the lower rate at three point seven seven because I we understood that there would be no exemptions in the first two years. Is that correct? [0:15:54, 0:16:01]: Uh yes, that is correct. You guys voted on the three point seven seven and at the time there was no option for homestead exemption. [0:16:02, 0:16:10]: So we obviously council back um this early this year or late last year pass a resolution that went to the General Assembly. [0:16:11, 0:16:20]: And the General Assembly passed that resolution signed by the governor to put the pot initiative on the ballot to allow for Stockbridge residents to apply for homestead exemptions. [0:16:20, 0:16:40]: Right. Now when I made that motion to set the initial millage rate at three point seven seven in my comments, I noted that we didn't have those exemptions. So what we wanted to do was literally give everyone those exemptions up front by setting the millage rate at the lowest rate possible in order to fund the city budget. [0:16:40, 0:17:00]: Budget, including uh the new police department, which is the primary share uh and reasoning for the new uh tax that we had to implement last year. So that is understanding the homestead exemption, the senior exemption. If we had those exemptions, the rate would have been set higher. [0:17:00, 0:17:20]: Higher than 3.77 because it would have reduced the overall revenue coming to the city. So the conscious of that, I made the motion to set the rate at 3.77, basically giving everybody those exemptions up front. So in essence, we lowered that amount in [0:17:20, 0:17:40]: And then we went to the skinny side, making sure that we uh could fund the budget, but at the least amount possible. And as we have seen this year, uh I have been a proponent of making sure that economic development drives the city, and certainly we have, and we've seen significant growth, and I think Mr. [0:17:40, 0:18:00]: Mr. Gardner, we'll be seeing those numbers increase a lot with the multi-million dollar businesses that we're seeing open in the city over at uh Jodico and other developments, driving the revenue number, increasing that side, taking the pressure off of residents. Uh the last remark that I want to make is folks, uh [0:18:00, 0:18:20]: understand the rate that we said is at three point seven seven mils. All along for the last decade, if you lived in the city of Stockbridge, you were paying a one point uh one point nine oh four rate for Henry County police. You folks the real didn't [0:18:20, 0:18:40]: Realize you already had a city tax. You were paying for police services to Henry County for one point or 1.904 meals to the county. So for since that time, when we changed over to the Stockbridge Police Department, that 1.904 meals came to the [0:18:40, 0:19:00]: City, at which point we start collecting it now, it shows up as a city millage. In essence, what we did was we increased that 1.09 millage to 3.77. So in effect, we set an additional millage into the millage that you had already been paying for one. [0:18:59, 0:19:19]: 1.86, which basically we ch we did. We looked at every possibility to make this as low as possible, and then at adding only one point eight six to the one point nine oh four that you have been paying to Henry County for the last decade. Now we have eighty six officer, eighty-six [0:19:19, 0:19:37]: personnel in our police department, crime is actually down in the city because we were being very proactive. And I thank the council for taking those initial steps in order to make sure that we kept the city safe and financially sound. So thank you. [0:19:37, 0:19:40]: No problem, welcome. Anybody any other council members' comments? [0:19:41, 0:19:42]: Okay, well, Ms. Barber. [0:19:43, 0:19:48]: Um, I was hoping to be able to take a deeper dive into the city's finances before we made [0:19:49, 0:19:50]: A decision. [0:19:50, 0:19:52]: Regarding the public [0:19:52, 0:19:54]: Regarding the millage rate adoption. [0:19:55, 0:19:56]: That's what I was hoping for. [0:19:56, 0:19:59]: We did not do that deeper dive last year. [0:20:00, 0:20:08]: Um I accepted the three point seven seven milge rate last year as the lowest milge rate. Um [0:20:09, 0:20:11]: Just to get us over the hump. [0:20:12, 0:20:19]: But this year I kinda expected that we would do a deeper dive before the council adopted the military. [0:20:20, 0:20:26]: We have a responsibility of looking at both the expenses and revenues of the city. [0:20:26, 0:20:27]: Um [0:20:27, 0:20:28]: People are hurting. [0:20:29, 0:20:31]: We're being taxed all over the place. [0:20:31, 0:20:32]: With everything. [0:20:32, 0:20:34]: Gas, groceries. [0:20:34, 0:20:35]: Everything. [0:20:36, 0:20:38]: So I just wanted us to be able to look at [0:20:38, 0:20:42]: You know, what's coming in to the city's covers and what's going out. [0:20:42, 0:20:45]: And finding opportunities where we can [0:20:45, 0:21:05]: decrease our budget, tighten our belts, and go from there. Um so that's all. Thank you, appreciate it. If you know the comments then what I'll do is uh it's a public hearing so we'll open up the public hearing for you citizens to respond yay or nay or give you comments here. Mayor uh I think I thought last time we [0:21:05, 0:21:12]: called up to the case. Good point. I'm sorry. Good point. Thank you very much. Mr. Harris, could you come to the could you come to the mic please? [0:21:13, 0:21:15]: Thank you. Appreciate that. [0:21:15, 0:21:28]: Yeah, but this uh ladies and gentlemen once again, Mr. Harris, the task commissioner for Henry County. Um, anything, sir, before we open up the public comments, anything that you need to add into this conversation at all, anything that uh comments at all? [0:21:28, 0:21:36]: No, good good morning, Mayor. Good morning, Mayor Pro Temmon, Council members. Uh one point I would like to add to kind of piggyback off of Councilman Alexander's point. [0:21:36, 0:21:56]: The county this year is considering an increase to some of the special service district millage rates. So that one point nine from previous years has now been proposed to be up to four point four point seven for this year. So that would have been transferred over to the s citizens of Stockbridge, um had they not gone forward with their own [0:21:56, 0:22:16]: police force so the number would have certainly have increased from the initial one point one nine. Also did want to add that um we've been to a couple of the hearings for the Board of Education and they are currently proposing a 1.68 mil decrease on their bond. So the other good news in this is that there would be a slight decrease on [0:22:16, 0:22:36]: The Board of Education's portion as well. So it's um nice to be able to bring a little bit of good news every now and then. But so those are some nice, nice points that we're able to add. So but beyond that, again, always appreciate the working relationship we have with the city. Um work with Mr. Gardner and his staff has always been beneficial, always works well. We have stringent deadlines that we have [0:22:36, 0:22:56]: To make sure we meet every single year to make sure we get the bills out in a timely manner. Um, so right where we are right now, the we're looking for final adoption by the board of commissioners on July 30th. Um, once that occurs, we'll be contacting the state. We have to confer with the state to get final approval on authorization to move forward with the collection of um of taxes. [0:22:56, 0:23:02]: anticipate that being that first week in August. From there we move forward with creating the draft bills. [0:23:02, 0:23:05]: Um we go through that process with our printers, go through the [0:23:05, 0:23:25]: creation of the bill, the review of the bills. That takes about a week and a half to two weeks. So typically we shoot for that last week in August to be s setting bills out and to be sending them out for folks to see. We know everyone has had issues and challenges with our postal service. I would implore everyone to make sure if you have not seen your bill by that first, second week of September [0:23:25, 0:23:45]: Go on our website, henrycottontax.com. You can simply it's it's very, very um user friendly. Go and add your your name or your address, pull up your bill, and you can pull up your bill right from right from the website if you have any issues, or always contact our office. So that's it. Yeah, go ahead, please. Wow. [0:23:44, 0:24:04]: Uh every time you come, you bring some good news. But I I don't want to g glaze over the fact of what you said in your initial comments. What you said in your initial comments was that one point nine oh four was going to increase to four. Is that four exactly or four point four point seven? [0:24:04, 0:24:24]: Is what's being proposed. 4.7. That rate is actually higher than our total city millage at 3.77. So understanding, we started a full-fledged police department, implemented a city millage. If we had not done so, [0:24:25, 0:24:45]: The county millage would have increased to a total of higher than this 3.77 millage. So you see, we're trying to keep it as skinny as possible. And on top of that, the plus side is now we have a full-fledged police department in addition to uh the county side. And I and in the deputy tax committee. [0:24:45, 0:25:05]: Commissioner did a excellent job and you did last year of talking about something that the residents are or were not fully aware of, which is the frozen exemption, which is I bought my house in two thousand and four. When the frozen exemption was passed, my house is actually being taxed on the county tax portion. [0:25:05, 0:25:25]: At that 2004 rate. So it's frozen there on the county portion, not the school board portion. So folks should understand that portion, which is the 26%, is frozen at the rate that you bought your house at, not the school board side, which is the 60%. [0:25:25, 0:25:30]: So could you talk about that a little bit? Sure, and I'm glad you brought it up. The that frozen provision [0:25:31, 0:25:50]: that additional benefit to county residents countywide, and again for those in the city district jurisdiction as well, that equates to somewhere between forty-five and fifty million dollars of savings to residents. And to your point, what that simply means is that if you purchase your home in the year twenty ten, [0:25:50, 0:25:57]: And it was valued at that time at two hundred thousand. Fast forward to today, and that same home is valued at four hundred thousand. [0:25:58, 0:26:18]: You are still being taxed on your county portion at that$200,000 level. So again, you can see the exponential savings that that residents will see year over year from that frozen provision. And again, again, it does not apply to schools, to the school tax that 60%, but for that 26, 27%. [0:26:17, 0:26:31]: that Mr. Gardner spoke of. Um it's a substantial savings. You know, we see, you know, exemption amounts of, you know, well over$100,000 in some cases, depending on what the value was at the time they purchased versus the time what the values have gone on to right now. So [0:26:31, 0:26:36]: So for what the county may be concerned, again they haven't had their their public hearings yet. [0:26:36, 0:26:45]: But um for the past seven years the mill had stayed exactly the same. So the values that were increased while values increased over that span. [0:26:46, 0:26:49]: The tax amount on the county side did not. [0:26:49, 0:27:08]: Um so all those savings were coming back to the residents. However, it was a um the again the overall impact was upwards of forty-five to fifty million dollars of revenues that wouldn't otherwise have gone to county coffers for roads, services, police, fire and the like that did not, but there were savings that were realized by our citizens. [0:27:09, 0:27:10]: No. [0:27:10, 0:27:30]: And folks are looking probably with that quizzical look on their faces. Wait a minute, my property taxes have gone up a lot. But they went up a lot. Well basically, if you're an existing homeowner from the past, the sixty percent that went to the school facility is where the major impact was because they're set at twenty meals for [0:27:30, 0:27:50]: um for the base and then they're set at what three it was three point six three point six for a month. So that's twenty-three per twenty-three some odd meals going to the school system, which is sixty something percent of what we would have. So in essence, and I and I said this and I'm gonna [0:27:50, 0:28:08]: Close my statement by saying this. Every year, this room is full of citizens for the city portion, for last year and this year. 60% of your money is going to the school board side, and 26% is going to the county side. Yet [0:28:09, 0:28:29]: You know how many people showed up at the school board hearing last year? Three. I was one of them to speak out against those repeated tax increases that I knew was inflating my rate. Now, my my tax on a yearly basis is fifty-two hundred dollars. Thirty four hundred dollars of that goes to the school board, about eleven goes to the school. [0:28:29, 0:28:33]: goes to the county and then the rest comes to the city. [0:28:33, 0:28:34]: This room. [0:28:35, 0:28:55]: needs to transfer to those rooms because those boards are required to have three military hearings as ready or as well. So can you indicate when those meetings are so these residents can understand that sixty percent of their money is what the room they need to be in in addition to this room and twenty six percent. And last [0:28:55, 0:28:57]: [1737.4, 1755.0]: that uh uh that would they pass the budget already. That budget is going to require a millage rate increase. So if you need to be in those rooms talking about those issues where and there is a potential increase where we have indicated there is not going to be one here. [0:29:15, 0:29:35]: Sure. Um the Board of Education, they're scheduled for their adoption, millage adoption on Monday the twenty second at four thirty. I do wanna um point out they are proposing a decrease in their mills this year. Let's go of approximately one point six eight. So removing their bond millage from three point six down to two mills, which would be again a substantial impact on [0:29:35, 0:29:55]: on all of the citizens. Um also those that while they don't offer, they're they're not a part of the frozen provision, they do offer additional exemptions based on age, beginning at age 62, you start seeing your, you start having your reduction that increases at 65, 68, and by age 70 you no longer pay any any um school board taxes. [0:29:55, 0:30:02]: So their system is a little bit tiered a little bit differently. Right. Um, but there are exemptions certainly on the educational side as well. [0:30:03, 0:30:18]: And then finally they do who's not aware, they do uh slowly kind of bring that tax down to the age of seventy where it is then removed, correct? That's correct. For residents who might be here. Can you explain that? [0:30:19, 0:30:39]: Yeah, again at age sixty-two you can apply initially make your initial application for homestead exemption. Um and that would be an exemption solely off of the the taxes on your school taxes. Um it's a twenty thousand dollar it it's simply a reduction off your assessed value, so rather than being taxed at [0:30:38, 0:30:45]: a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, it would be taxed at one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Um so that exemption goes from twenty thousand at [0:30:45, 0:30:48]: Um age sixty two at sixty five it goes to eighty thousand. [0:30:49, 0:30:53]: At age sixty eight, it's a hundred and twenty thousand exemption. So you're [0:30:53, 0:31:08]: subtracting a hundred and twenty thousand dollars off your assessed value to give you a much lower taxable value. And again at age seventy, you're no longer paying any school taxes. So um we encourage at every opportunity we have to make sure that people are checking their exemptions. If you applied for your homestead [0:31:09, 0:31:13]: Um if you came in at age sixty two and once you make that initial application at age sixty two. [0:31:13, 0:31:17]: automatically gets recalculated when you hit sixty five and sixty eight and seventy. [0:31:17, 0:31:31]: If you applied for your L one and you haven't come in, if you're over age sixty-two and you haven't come in for that s specific age exemption, you have to come back into either our office or the tax assessor's office. Also you can do it online. Again, HenryCountyTax.com. [0:31:31, 0:31:32]: You go to our website. [0:31:32, 0:31:34]: applications right there is again very um [0:31:35, 0:31:35]: Very uh [0:31:36, 0:31:37]: User friendly. [0:31:37, 0:31:46]: Um but you have to make that secondary application for your age exemption one time. Once you do it at age sixty two, you're you're covered throughout the remainder of it. [0:31:46, 0:31:49]: But Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:31:50, 0:31:50]: Can you [0:31:51, 0:31:58]: Um, you gave the dates and times for the military adoption for the border education. What about Henry County? [0:31:58, 0:32:06]: Government. You have their dates. Yeah, Henry County government is currently their adoption is scheduled for Tuesday, July thirtieth at one PM. [0:32:07, 0:32:07]: Yeah. [0:32:09, 0:32:26]: All right, another question from the council. Thank you, Mr. Harris. Uh you may have depending on the questions and comments that the citizens may have, we may have to come back to the podium, but I don't he'd be willing to do that. Uh Senator excuse me, he's going to be a senator someday. Representative Mitchell's Douglas, sir, since you're here. Did you want the podium? Anything you want to address while you're here, sir, at all? [0:32:28, 0:32:47]: Okay, good deal. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right. For the public hearing. I'm for anybody's four. Recommendation is three point seven seven. So if you want to make a comments in reference to that, if you're from my far left side, I need you to line up. I'm line up on that side. anybody in the middle? Uh any po positive comments? Um [0:32:48, 0:32:57]: Could you online on on this side, please? If you want positive comments, we're recommendations three point seven seven for any positive could you line up on this side. I want you all on one side, please. On this side over here. [0:32:57, 0:33:00]: If you're in the middle, please go on the left side over my left side over here. [0:33:01, 0:33:03]: On the on far right side. [0:33:04, 0:33:10]: My far right side, if you need positive comments, comments for recommendation of three point seven seven leave for you. Come on this side over here, okay? [0:33:11, 0:33:13]: Alrighty. [0:33:13, 0:33:14]: All right. [0:33:15, 0:33:20]: All right, so let's get this started then. Ma'am, please come to the mic and uh name an ad uh name and address, please. [0:33:22, 0:33:42]: Uh good morning, Mayor. Good morning, uh council. Uh my name is Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. Want to thank you for the uh visual I can take back and explain to my family. I'm for the three point seven seven that uh helped me once again, new to the annexation. I'll be working with um [0:33:42, 0:34:02]: Um Henry County in the back asking them to help me get a full understanding of the uh 26% frozen. Uh and I heard him um say it's gonna increase um four point seven and I'll be at the meeting um on the thirtieth so I can get full understanding. Um my concern is [0:34:02, 0:34:21]: is just as a senior citizen working every time I come to the meeting getting phone numbers and addresses so I can visit. I now have two taxes, Henry County. I know they send one bill, if he could explain that I think one bill comes to me and I'll have to do my um trash. [0:34:22, 0:34:39]: For a stockbridge, I'll have to do Henry County tax and then I'll have to do Stockbridge. So uh I like the three point seven seven but just need a fuller understanding of how everything comes on one bill and how I'll be responsible for it. But I thank you so much for your kindness. [0:34:39, 0:34:42]: Thank you. Ma'am, you next. Name and address, please. [0:34:48, 0:34:58]: My name is Mary Scott. Nobody calls me Mary. Everyone calls me Bubba. I live at one twelve Creek Circle. If that sounds familiar, it's'cause I live next door to Karen Charmaine. [0:34:59, 0:35:05]: And I'm gonna tell you, I came here Monday night expecting to hear that the millage rate was gonna go up. [0:35:05, 0:35:12]: And what I'm hearing is that it was advertised to go up, but it's not really going up for me. [0:35:12, 0:35:28]: because of the growth of the city. From what I understand, in the churn there are fifty thousand new new houses that are in the process of being built, new neighborhoods and things like that that would bring fifty thousand new residents, maybe not households, but residents. [0:35:29, 0:35:35]: Which will help the city get uh the tax revenue that they need. Because you do need revenue. [0:35:35, 0:35:42]: Uh I had an incident that I had to call emergency services for a neighbor not too long ago and they showed up very quickly. [0:35:43, 0:35:47]: And I was pleased with that because that didn't happen when I used to live in DeCab County. [0:35:49, 0:35:51]: Um I've lived all over this country. [0:35:53, 0:35:58]: We chose t here to retire for a reason, because it was a small town. [0:35:58, 0:36:02]: After Monday night's meeting, though, I took a look at the budget. [0:36:02, 0:36:22]: And I uh would love to help Mrs. Barber do a deep dive into the budget because what I saw was kind of incomplete information for the residents. It may be different than the information that you have, but the year to date revenue that or an expenses [0:36:22, 0:36:29]: That I saw in 2023, which affected this year's budget, looked very incomplete. [0:36:30, 0:36:30]: Um [0:36:31, 0:36:41]: And I have a little bit of an accounting background and I know that year to date means something. And when you're in November, you need to have more numbers than you had. [0:36:42, 0:36:52]: So when November comes around and we're talking about the budget again, I'm gonna be back here and I'm gonna be making sure that you're spending my three point seven seven millage rate appropriately. [0:36:53, 0:37:00]: I have one thing to say that's not about the milling rate, and that is these meetings are not accessible. [0:37:00, 0:37:02]: We can't hear you. [0:37:02, 0:37:05]: We are everybody's going mm. [0:37:05, 0:37:09]: We can't hear. You introduced Mr. Harris. We didn't hear a word he said. [0:37:10, 0:37:12]: We can't hear mister Gardiner, said [0:37:13, 0:37:20]: Um we can't actually see the power points from our and I have my glasses on. I'm fifty-five. [0:37:20, 0:37:24]: The people that I see around me, I'm gonna guess are a little bit older. [0:37:25, 0:37:27]: We don't h I don't have a handout. [0:37:28, 0:37:38]: You know, I know somebody else did. I don't know where she got it. But a couple of pieces of paper, even that we could pass amongst ourselves.'Cause I know paper and ink and [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: Printing costs money. [0:37:40, 0:37:45]: But we can't hear what's going on back here. We can't see this and [0:37:47, 0:37:49]: This is uh we can't even hear you. [0:37:49, 0:38:09]: Well, okay, I'll tell you what. I'm I'm thought uh we're up here I've thought you can hear me but no problem I would have thought. Uh we we'll have to check in that particular mic where you're located,'cause that's the most individuals you were referring to were at that particular mic would have to check that out and we'll see ya for the next time, which we h we'll do this on Monday, in reference to maybe additional handouts for folks that are here. We'll work through that process. Thank you. [0:38:09, 0:38:18]: Thank you. Monday night someone pointed it out during the meeting and was shushed. That's kinda shameful. You were what now? [0:38:18, 0:38:32]: Monday night someone pointed out that she could not hear and she was shushed. That's because probably p probably it's probably me. It's probably because she was sta she was making a comment from the audience. It was all right. Stand by one second. Yes, Vanessa, go ahead, please. [0:38:35, 0:38:35]: Table. [0:38:37, 0:38:42]: Okay, there you go. I got here too early to get a handout. Okay, all right then. What other comments do you have, ma'am? [0:38:43, 0:38:47]: That is it. Okay. And I appreciate you listening to me. No problem. Thank you very much. [0:38:48, 0:38:49]: Ma'am, please name and address. [0:38:56, 0:39:08]: Good morning. Morning to you. Um my name is Regina. I hope you can hear me with the mask on. Yep, I can I can hear you. Okay. Um my name is Regina Ubadiniru. I live at two thirty Hillendale Drive. [0:39:10, 0:39:11]: And um [0:39:12, 0:39:15]: Wow, you took a lot of fire out of some things I wanted to say. [0:39:16, 0:39:17]: But um [0:39:18, 0:39:27]: I am um in favor of keeping a millage rate at three point seven seven because um [0:39:27, 0:39:35]: I don't know where this is going as far as going higher and higher. Um, I'm gonna try to be short because my my knee is killing me. [0:39:37, 0:39:50]: I also am in favor of a deeper dive being done into finances. Um some things just don't seem to be stacking up. I would also like to see um to add to that a independent investigation. [0:39:50, 0:39:54]: Um nothing personal, but it's just it's just not it's not making sense. [0:39:56, 0:40:03]: Um maybe others here are rich, but I'm not. And um I'm on a fixed income. [0:40:04, 0:40:14]: And this just um I'm just wondering, you know, where is it headed? It three seven seven going up to four point something and you where does it go from there? Um [0:40:20, 0:40:26]: I think that um city council is lacking transparency with regard to finances. I would like to see [0:40:27, 0:40:28]: Transparency. [0:40:29, 0:40:32]: on every level with the finances in particularly [0:40:32, 0:40:34]: Um otherwise um [0:40:35, 0:40:39]: You know, when time comes around maybe there sh there need to be other people in the seats up here. [0:40:41, 0:40:45]: And um I also want a second, please. [0:40:46, 0:40:50]: Either people speak louder or [0:40:50, 0:40:51]: Turn the mics up. [0:40:52, 0:40:55]: Because it's hard to hear. I couldn't read anything. [0:40:56, 0:41:03]: On the um on the PowerPoint, nothing at all. And um it seems that when people that are from um [0:41:05, 0:41:22]: Like the uh the gentlemen that were up here, it seems that they're addressing you only where we need to be addressed too, so they need to speak louder. And I would I'm in favor of handouts so that we can follow along in case we can't see the power points. [0:41:23, 0:41:25]: And I think um [0:41:26, 0:41:46]: I think that's about it that I have. Thank you for listening to make note of that that the public hearing rules indicate that the individuals speaking, they're really supposed to address me, not the council and not everybody else. You address me as as the individuals running the meeting and they should be loud enough so everybody can hear the comments from individual that is at that particular mic. We'll check make sure that mic is all right and folks uh understand. [0:41:46, 0:41:52]: [2516.6, 2525.3]: Good morning. My name is Suzette Wilkinson. I live at one eighty three Spivy Ridge Circle. Okay. I live in one of the annexed [0:42:05, 0:42:08]: neighborhoods into the city of Stockbridge. [0:42:08, 0:42:18]: So we already are paying an increase because now we're paying city taxes as well as county taxes. And then the notice I received [0:42:18, 0:42:38]: I was built this year$504 for city taxes on top of my county taxes. Plus, we will build$264 for trash on our tax bill. Now we could now you're going up again, and the notice I received said that if your house was valued at$300. [0:42:39, 0:42:59]: I believe it was$350,000. That's a$79 increase per year, on top of the$504 increase plus another$100 and something increase for the trash. As the lady stated, I'm on a fixed income. That's a lot for me in one year. [0:42:59, 0:43:00]: Yeah. [0:43:01, 0:43:09]: And w it was supposed to have been I had came once before, it was supposed to have been addressed about the trash, but no one ever got back to me about it. [0:43:10, 0:43:16]: It's it's a hardship for a lot of people in my subdivision. [0:43:16, 0:43:20]: It's we we're being hit kind of hard all in one year. [0:43:23, 0:43:25]: Thank you. Okay. [0:43:26, 0:43:46]: I'm taking note of this and we'll address these in just a bit. So that's four. Anybody that's against the three the recommended three point seven seven? Anybody against that? All right, from the far left, if you can line up. From the far left. Anybody against the three recommended three point seven seven? Anybody in the middle that's against the three point seven seven recommendation? Anybody on this side uh against the three point seven seven recommendation? [0:43:46, 0:43:55]: All right. Seeing none. All right. Mr Gardner, please come back to the podium. And uh Mr Harris, if you don't mind, could you come back as well, sir? [0:43:56, 0:43:57]: Wow. [0:44:00, 0:44:13]: All right, so f one of my first things I wrote down, I guess in a sense the the balance between Henry County tax and uh data and stubborn's tax data, the uh explanation of the bills, if you can maybe expound a little further on that for clarification, might be helpful. [0:44:14, 0:44:34]: All right, sir. And and please speak into the mic, sir, make sure it's on. This is good enough. I don't want to put it in my mouth. Okay. But no. Um the difference between the city and the question comes up that some folks are thinking that about the two different types of bills and taxes and trying to get a clarification of the [0:44:34, 0:44:45]: So as a resident of Stockbridge, um everyone pays taxes to [0:44:45, 0:44:53]: the school board to the city, now if you're in the city to unincorporated Henry County and to the water authority. [0:44:53, 0:44:56]: Um that bill and Michael could speak to it. [0:44:56, 0:45:00]: is one bill that comes to every homeowner and it's outline [0:45:00, 0:45:20]: who gets what what exemptions you have, it's outlined on the bill. Um as it relates for the city of Stockbridge, we we charge our sanitation on our tax bill. Um that start that started back in two thousand in seven or six [0:45:20, 0:45:32]: Um the city started doing that but because the city used to used to be able to pay your taxes at City Hall. And apparently there were some issues years ago where residents were being I think they were locked up. [0:45:33, 0:45:53]: um were being arrested for not paying that their sanitation bills. And so the city city moved to literally put it on the tax bill years ago and a lot of communities have done that. Um that way you have one payment rather than having a quarterly payment if you were doing somewhere else. Um you pretty much pay on a quarterly basis. Um [0:45:53, 0:46:10]: So that's the unified bill that you get with your tax and your sanitation. And so yes, you pay for city services. And I think as um Mr. Alexander said, um everyone in Henry County, including the cities, um, were unless you were the city of McDonough. [0:46:10, 0:46:13]: Locus Grove and Hampton that had their own police service. [0:46:13, 0:46:27]: Um, I'm not sure if they were exempt, but I think everybody was paying the one point oh nine. So that was being paid for um already and the one point eight six was added on top of that, and that's how you got to the three point seven seven number. [0:46:29, 0:46:33]: Only thing I would add, yeah, so there is a very clear distinction between [0:46:33, 0:46:35]: The taxes [0:46:35, 0:46:55]: And there are taxes and fees that are shown on the bill. You know, so what you will see is a county portion of the tax. And within that there are special service districts included as well. Um that would include fire, so citizens and residents of City of Stockbridge also pay a special service district tax. [0:46:55, 0:46:59]: to the county for providing that fire service. Um recreation is another one. [0:47:00, 0:47:02]: Um then separate aside from that, then you have your [0:47:02, 0:47:11]: city of Stockbridge tax. After that you have a series of fees and that may include sanitation, stormwater, street lights, if that's on the bill this year as well. [0:47:12, 0:47:17]: Um so for those things and w we make it very clear on our we've changed up our bill. Um [0:47:17, 0:47:19]: Uh, Miss Cardi and her team last year did a great job of [0:47:20, 0:47:40]: re redesigning our tax bill to make it very clear. So if you have a question in reference to your stormwater fees, there's a phone number to call. If you have a question in reference to city taxes, there's a phone number to call. For and same for um likewise for your your county taxes. But there is a distinction between those that are taxes and those that are fees. We have [0:47:40, 0:47:42]: Yeah, as Mr. Gardner's um stated. [0:47:42, 0:47:53]: took this step to make sure we consolidate everything onto one bill so everyone has all the information at one at their fingertips. The bill you'll see this year, it'll have the bill with all the what's due. [0:47:53, 0:47:55]: On the front side, on the back side. [0:47:55, 0:47:58]: Rather than having just a blank space, we added a um [0:47:59, 0:48:01]: An entire sheet of information. [0:48:01, 0:48:21]: That speaks to the type of homestead exemptions that are allowable and gives all the j general information on who to call, how to contact, if and it answers a lot of the FAQs that of the questions that we get specific to our tax bill. So um again, we redesigned it last year and we think it's been uh got a lot of good um feedback on the information. [0:48:21, 0:48:22]: Yeah. [0:48:23, 0:48:43]: Thank you, sir. On that note, uh South Bridge is roughly about thirty six thousand people and of course during the course of we've been we collectively as a group, as a council have been improving some communities, annexations um have been going on here in the last several years and planning to continue to grow and and get s larger, I guess you may say. So who knows? fifty three [0:48:43, 0:48:50]: thousand people may come several years from now if if if we continue this pace. But I don't know, Mr. Gardner, anything you can expound on that at all, sir? [0:48:51, 0:48:55]: About the growth, um, I will say that I think like the resident said [0:48:56, 0:48:58]: Uh most of us move here from somewhere else. [0:48:59, 0:49:03]: Um we made Stockbridge home. We were part of the growth. [0:49:03, 0:49:04]: In Henry County. [0:49:05, 0:49:05]: Right. [0:49:06, 0:49:15]: Um, I always play a trick with with folks and I ask, does anybody know when there were more people living in the city of Griffin than in the entire Henry County? How long ago was that? [0:49:16, 0:49:17]: That was nineteen seventy. [0:49:18, 0:49:26]: And Griffin's population has always been around twenty-four, twenty-three thousand people. So there were less than twenty-three thousand people living in this entire county. [0:49:27, 0:49:27]: Right. [0:49:28, 0:49:29]: About forty years ago. [0:49:29, 0:49:36]: So everybody who's moved here has contributed to the growth, has contributed to the growth in the schools and the growth in development. [0:49:36, 0:49:39]: And we continue to grow as a county and as a sity. [0:49:39, 0:49:40]: Um [0:49:40, 0:50:00]: All right, and all of us are have taking part in um the growth. We will continue we're continuing to grow as you guys know. There are developments being approved. Um, but if those developments weren't approved, none of us would be here. We would be somewhere else. Right? Um, but Henry County is a prime location, 675. [0:50:00, 0:50:08]: 75 split right here. We're less than 10 miles from Hotfield Jackson International Airport, the busiest airport in the world. [0:50:09, 0:50:12]: Um we are part of the biggest metropolitan [0:50:12, 0:50:32]: productive metropolitan area in the southeast United States. And that still will hold us ahead of Charlotte. Um but that's where we choose to live and a lot of folks see this as a wonderful place. We don't have a lot of storms, hurricanes and tornadoes per se. So or earthqu earthquakes. So we are a prime location. Um [0:50:32, 0:50:39]: Um for folks to move to in the southeast. And so the city and the county will continue to grow in the forf foreseeable future and we have to prepare for that growth. [0:50:40, 0:50:56]: Okay, Mr. Gardner, how about um further explan uh give an explanation in reference to our our calendar year versus our budget year, which is the same same there? Budget process, things of that nature for some clarification here, sir. So our budget is adopted um [0:50:56, 0:51:00]: is on a calendar year which starts January to December. [0:51:00, 0:51:01]: Right. [0:51:01, 0:51:04]: Every community that I've worked in and the few states I've worked in. [0:51:04, 0:51:07]: Um if they're on a fiscal year. [0:51:07, 0:51:21]: They budget starts July one. That's the county. Um their budget starts July one and June thirtieth. But when they adopt that budget, they have no clue to some degree, it's a guess of what the millet rate [0:51:21, 0:51:25]: uh what the military they're gonna say to that or will it be you know go to go through [0:51:26, 0:51:27]: Um the dates [0:51:28, 0:51:32]: Um correct me if I'm wrong, Michael, the July date is statutory by state law. [0:51:33, 0:51:35]: Right? We have no control over that date. [0:51:36, 0:51:42]: Right. The good in us is that we adopt our budget, restart our budget two months earlier. [0:51:43, 0:51:43]: Right. [0:51:43, 0:51:46]: Usually folks start a budget six months out. [0:51:47, 0:51:48]: Right. And they start working on it. [0:51:49, 0:52:09]: Retend to or since I've been here, give you a budget in August. Actually, last year y'all got a full budget in July. Right? Um, right after we knew what the millish rate was gonna be, could then you can now look at tweaking your expenses to what you know what your revenues will be versus then guessing it to some degree. And there's still some guessing there because [0:52:09, 0:52:11]: Yeah. [0:52:11, 0:52:13]: Right, so it's not gonna be a full one hundred percent. [0:52:14, 0:52:34]: But that's the good that's the good in the process we have is that we can start making the adjustments as necessary. But we give a preliminary budget. And the budget is not for this year, it's for next year. Um but yes, um that's the the kind of benefit we have. I think Hampton is October. I think their budget is adopted in October. [0:52:34, 0:52:43]: October I think it is. They're on our October budget, kinda like the federal government. Um, McDonough is June June to July and I think Locus Grove is June to July. [0:52:44, 0:52:55]: All right, thank you. All right. Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead. You got the questions? Go ahead. Yeah, I could this is what I wanna do. I I wanna respond to your question, ma'am. I do Mr Aaron, can you come to the podium? [0:53:05, 0:53:21]: As the tax commissioner said, the sanitation is a fee. It is not uh a tax. Certainly, we implemented um sanitation services several years ago, which include trash, recycling, and bulk pickup, correct? [0:53:21, 0:53:41]: Yes, sir. And yard waste as well. And yard waste as well. Now, if someone went on the open market and they tried to get the rate that we get from GFL, would they be able to get it as an individual homeowner? Not for all of the uh things that they pick up. Most people, if they had a lower rate, they just only had garbage. They didn't have a lot of [0:53:41, 0:53:47]: people on the independent market do not have bulk waste recycling or yard waste as part of their sanitation package. [0:53:47, 0:54:07]: Right. And we've been able to get a basically w our rate is lower because we're a bulk, we're a collective working together. So the rate that we get is a lower rate than the consumer would be able to get and the rate increases that the consumers have been seeing, the exponential ones, we haven't been seeing those. We've seen some increases but we have not [0:54:07, 0:54:21]: and we have not passed them directly along to the consumer. A couple of years I know you said yourself we can't keep absorbing these increases cause we absorb the increases as the city. Is that correct? [0:54:21, 0:54:39]: Yes, most sanitation companies have an increase based on the CPI, which is the consumer price index. So whenever that increases, most companies typically go along with that increase. Like last year was five percent. And so most sanitation services, including [0:54:39, 0:54:59]: GFAL to the city increased their rates by five percent, but we did not increase our rates. Absolutely, and certainly this council has tried to tighten our belt uh in those areas. But certainly, uh hopefully we're trying to leave the planet in a better situation so we implemented the recycling. I hope everybody out there is trying to take advantage of. [0:54:59, 0:55:19]: Of the bi or weekly recyc recycling to keep uh extra bottles and plastics outside of our dumpster area. But the one area that people generally miss is the free bulk pickup. Talk about that. That is a component where you don't have to call somebody to come pick up that old mattress or to pick up [0:55:19, 0:55:39]: Up uh some items you can actually call and schedule a pickup by GFL and it's uh a complementary based on the city, correct? Yes, sir. Uh it allows each residence to put out up to three items per week for collection, and I think a lot of people like it when they come to like spring and fall cleaning that they can clean out the garage. [0:55:39, 0:55:59]: Garage or home and items. Also, there's an option if you want to collect everything at one time, you pay GFL a fee for that. But typically it's three items per week. And you could do multiple weeks. We have residents call in, they might have 15 items, so we schedule them for five weeks. [0:55:59, 0:56:02]: Every week until all of that is gone, they put out those items. [0:56:03, 0:56:13]: Absolutely. And her and Mayor's secondary question was, uh everything happening in all one year? And the tax commissioner made an excellent point previously. [0:56:14, 0:56:34]: If what the county has proposed is passed, then what would happen is you would actually have been paying more taxes this year had we not implemented the police department and the extra services that you're receiving on uh sanitation. So it is fortunate that we did. [0:56:34, 0:56:54]: Do what we did because that 3.77 is lower than what would have occurred otherwise. So it's actually based on the numbers that we were given today, were actually lower, your taxes will actually be lower in this scenario versus if you had not been uh annexed into the city because they were uh that that [0:56:54, 0:57:14]: That rate is going to go up uh if that uh does pass based on what we have seen in terms of these numbers. Uh thank you, Mr. Aaron, I appreciate that. Now, the city manager, I have a couple of questions for you as well. The city of Stockbridge has a yearly audit that takes place. [0:57:14, 0:57:34]: Every year. Our auditor is Malden and Jenkins. Malden Jenkins edit audits the city finances. They give you a report for the city finances, which you turn over to the council. That has been the practice. Our auditor, auditor Malden and Jenkins, audits 300 plus cities in the state of Georgia. [0:57:34, 0:57:54]: Georgia, we were one of those, and has significantly indicated to us certainly that the city's finances were uh uh in in good shape. Certainly, and I'll say this to you residents, and I'll look every one of y'all in the eye. The city wasn't spending enough money in the past, and that's why it looked the way that you [0:57:54, 0:58:14]: see on North Henry Boulevard. We started to spend more money. I hope you see the difference. I hope you see the difference in what your downtown area looks like. I hope you see the difference in what Rock Quarry Road looks like, what Jodico looks like, what Highway 138 looks like, when the litter is picked up and the city has done [0:58:14, 0:58:34]: to implement the programs that we've implemented like at Jodico, the amphitheater that we built, we have spent money because we knew that the residents wanted better in their community. So you would not have to leave the city to shop, to work, to eat. All of those things, some of those things should have been right here in our community. [0:58:34, 0:58:40]: We're not gonna bring them all here, but certainly we wanted to live and have a higher quality of life. [0:58:41, 0:59:01]: The one thing that we got in the report that we received said the in this general area in downtown, the average age of the homes were built in 1966. I said that again. The average age of the homes built were in 1966. The lifeblood of any community is new construction. [0:59:01, 0:59:21]: And to bring in folks in order to uh in in order to and raise our level of maintenance in the city, we did have to spend more money. We brought in Mr. Knighton first and then we brought in Mr. Gartner, two excellent seasoned city managers to be able to chart the course for us because we don't manage [0:59:20, 0:59:40]: day-to-day operations the staff does as professionals. Now certainly there's always a case to be made where there is there may be some waste or there may be some things that might need be need to be able to be cut. But let me say I have full confidence in the city manager and the job that they're doing in our financials. [0:59:40, 1:00:00]: Because they do what's necessary. And then when Malden and Jenkin comes and they report to us on what the city budget looks like, there are people all over this state who are envious of the position that we find ourselves in financially and the being able to do the things that we've been able to do. So I stand behind the offer. [1:00:00, 1:00:20]: audit and I certainly protest that there's a lot of misinformation and there's a lot of questions being raised about this or that. You know, I look at it when I turn to that other cable news channel and all I hear is a bunch of questions all the time. I haven't seen anybody point to a specific thing that says this has been [1:00:20, 1:00:40]: Misappropriated, that's been misappropriated, or one cent has been spent in any direction. If it is, I'll open my eyes to it, I'll see it. But I look at the city audit, and the auditor comes in and places a stamp on the city budget every single year. They know anything that is of obsession, and that is the process. [1:00:40, 1:00:58]: that we have followed as a city. That is something that I want the residents to understand is that we go through that process. And Mr Mr. Gardner, I want you to mention, talk about that in the uh audit process for the city that we go through every single year. [1:00:59, 1:01:15]: Yes, sir. Um you pretty much said everything. Um the audit every city um is required to have an annual independent audit, which the city of Stockbridge participates in. Um when Michael was here, I think Molden and Jenkins was here as well. [1:01:15, 1:01:17]: When Michael was here, city manager. [1:01:17, 1:01:20]: Um it is a process that all the cities go through. [1:01:21, 1:01:22]: Um [1:01:22, 1:01:28]: as it relates to overseeing how um revenues and expenditures are taken in and and expended. [1:01:28, 1:01:30]: And to make sure that they're all done in [1:01:30, 1:01:33]: in concurrent with gap [1:01:33, 1:01:36]: And I think that name has changed now, um, policies. [1:01:37, 1:01:40]: And at the end they they give you uh [1:01:40, 1:01:45]: areas where you can make changes and that's every city that pretty much gets um [1:01:45, 1:01:48]: they'll get what we call a ding to change certain things you're doing. [1:01:49, 1:01:50]: Um [1:01:50, 1:02:01]: But at the end I I think the city's audits have all been found to be worthy and clean outside of that. Um yes, the city had a huge fund balance and you guys came in. [1:02:02, 1:02:05]: Some folks say you shouldn't hoard beyond three months. [1:02:06, 1:02:06]: Um [1:02:07, 1:02:09]: I think the city had at the time probably. [1:02:10, 1:02:17]: Two years worth of violence. They were just sitting in sitting there and obviously you guys have built things around the downtown area. [1:02:17, 1:02:20]: Um to bring some things into the to fruition here. [1:02:21, 1:02:23]: Um, but as you can tell, I mean [1:02:23, 1:02:25]: The downtown is still not where it should be. [1:02:26, 1:02:26]: I mean [1:02:27, 1:02:35]: That's that's the dune it hole in this community. If you go to McDonough, you see growth all around McDonough, but you see growth in its downtown. [1:02:35, 1:02:37]: Everybody goes to the square to have fun. [1:02:38, 1:02:39]: Nobody comes here to have fun. [1:02:40, 1:02:43]: Right. I've lived here for twenty four years, almost twenty-five. [1:02:43, 1:02:46]: There's never been a place for me to come downtown to enjoy. [1:02:47, 1:02:49]: If I wanted, I went to somebody else's downtown. [1:02:50, 1:02:51]: Um [1:02:51, 1:02:56]: Чиказ нахіє, со інодес аб'ен. [1:02:56, 1:02:58]: To try to bring life down here. [1:02:59, 1:03:04]: Um, as I mentioned to this council, the problem is the we're missing the private sector. [1:03:04, 1:03:23]: Right. If you go to Dunwoody, if you go to D Cater, if you go to Sugar Hill, if you go to Swanney, Smyrna, any of these other communities, you see that there's private investments coming into their downtown to help build and revitalize. That also helps you from a fiscal standpoint, right? [1:03:24, 1:03:34]: Um one of the other things that that report said was the housing in our downtown area are below not only Henry County in value, but below the state in value. [1:03:35, 1:03:35]: Right. [1:03:36, 1:03:40]: So a house of twenty one ta twenty one hundred сквер фут. [1:03:41, 1:03:44]: On a acre and a half is only valued at a hundred and [1:03:44, 1:03:45]: Eighty. [1:03:46, 1:03:47]: Two hundred thousand. [1:03:48, 1:03:52]: But you take that same house and you put it on Nordroot Hills, it's a miljon dollar house. [1:03:53, 1:03:55]: So that tells you something. [1:03:55, 1:03:56]: Right. [1:03:56, 1:03:58]: The the house is underperforming. [1:03:58, 1:04:06]: Um the area is underperforming and that's been the area not downtown. But as you mentioned, everything you said is is is true. [1:04:07, 1:04:27]: And lastly, again, let's I just want you to make sure you state that again. For the record, the audit for the city for this last calendar year was uh it was a good audit. And as it has been uh the since I've been on this council, I don't think we've had a bad audit to my recollection. [1:04:27, 1:04:32]: section uh or do you recall one or just your state your tenure here the audit has been good. [1:04:33, 1:04:41]: Yes, sir. And no different than any other audits. Like I said, you're gonna get comments. Every city's gotten comments. I think with Mike here they probably had comments as well. [1:04:41, 1:04:43]: Um you're gonna get those, but [1:04:43, 1:04:48]: Um for the most part it says everything is good. Um [1:04:49, 1:04:58]: I don't know of any theories or underhanded or illegal stuff going on. That's not happening here. Um I'm not an illegal person. I've been doing this job [1:04:58, 1:05:04]: for thirty years and I've never been found guilty of stealing money or misappropriating any money. I I don't do that. [1:05:04, 1:05:05]: Um [1:05:06, 1:05:13]: But no. Everything, you know, can we make improvements in everything we do? That's everybody. [1:05:14, 1:05:21]: Right? There is no perfect person. There is no perfect thing. I always tell folks the smartest people in this country is NASA. [1:05:22, 1:05:24]: And we didn't kill two shuttles worth of astronauts. [1:05:25, 1:05:26]: Right? No one's perfect. [1:05:27, 1:05:43]: But yes, we all have room for improvements and some of the comments made, yes. We c we can look at things different, look at things with a different set of eyes. Yes, you'll find anybody'll find improvements in anything we do. Somebody else look at it, they can find improvements. That's just natural. [1:05:43, 1:05:44]: cause of action. [1:05:45, 1:05:50]: But on the basis of our audits have been clear um been clear, considered clear. [1:05:50, 1:05:54]: But there have been areas where we can make improvements. That has been the case. [1:05:54, 1:05:55]: We're not perfect. [1:05:55, 1:06:15]: Right, sir. I'll say thank you for that. And again, I appreciate your comments and that we look forward to the twenty twenty five budget being presented to us. And I would ask that you would do as as been as been described, that you would look at the budget as you already do and take a deeper dive uh as you prepare the twenty twenty-five budget. [1:06:15, 1:06:18]: budget and prepare us to finish this year. [1:06:18, 1:06:27]: Yes, sir. And and realize we will be having our budget retreat next month. So council gets to see it and weigh in on it, give recommendations as you guys did last year. [1:06:28, 1:06:28]: Um [1:06:29, 1:06:35]: On the budget and so from there, once we get your comments and feedback and your discussions with the department heads [1:06:35, 1:06:44]: we'll go back and make those adjustments as necessary. Um what you have before you and the numbers is is like I said, on there it is preliminary. [1:06:45, 1:06:48]: because we still have to go through that process with with May and Council. [1:06:48, 1:07:08]: Thank you. Thank you for your comments. And Mr. Harris, thank you for being my my first city manager and the city manager, a great successful city manager for City Stobbery some years ago. Well go ahead, so you have a comment. Yeah, just real quick, I just want to clarify it in reference to the what's being proposed by the county, that is a what's proposed. Nothing has been determined as of yet. Again, they'll make the [1:07:08, 1:07:22]: Final adoption on the thirtieth. So again, those are some of the figures that have been that have been circulated, but nothing has been solidified as of yet. They have not made a vote and made a final determination on any of those millage rates as of yet. Okay, good deal. Thank you. Ms. Barber, you have some comments? [1:07:27, 1:07:35]: Thank you, Mayor Ford. You're welcome. Um these are actually comments and not questions. So yes. [1:07:35, 1:07:38]: Um as a member of the governing body [1:07:38, 1:07:43]: I've been asking a lot of questions as it pertains to the finances of the city. [1:07:44, 1:07:45]: Seems like I'm the only one. [1:07:45, 1:07:47]: Asking the questions. [1:07:48, 1:07:52]: The reason why is because timing is important. [1:07:53, 1:07:57]: When information is being shared with members of the governing body. [1:07:58, 1:08:01]: Um it was mentioned that the council received [1:08:01, 1:08:04]: The FY twenty twenty four budget [1:08:04, 1:08:06]: Six months before it was adopted. [1:08:07, 1:08:08]: That is true. [1:08:09, 1:08:10]: But what I asked for [1:08:10, 1:08:11]: In twenty twenty three. [1:08:12, 1:08:14]: was a mid year budget review. [1:08:14, 1:08:16]: of the current year's budget. [1:08:17, 1:08:18]: Not [1:08:19, 1:08:20]: The next year's budget. [1:08:21, 1:08:27]: I want to be able to see how we're actually spending. What's the spending trends? [1:08:28, 1:08:29]: Are we being [1:08:29, 1:08:31]: Fiscally responsible. [1:08:32, 1:08:33]: That is the responsibility. [1:08:33, 1:08:35]: of the governing body. [1:08:35, 1:08:36]: ста [1:08:36, 1:08:38]: are hired to do a job. [1:08:39, 1:08:40]: We were elected. [1:08:40, 1:08:42]: To represent the people. [1:08:42, 1:08:44]: in the interest of the people. [1:08:45, 1:08:47]: So when I'm asking these questions. [1:08:47, 1:08:49]: They're just not questions that [1:08:49, 1:08:51]: I'm just asking for myself. [1:08:51, 1:08:53]: А вон би алту експлен. [1:08:54, 1:08:55]: This information [1:08:55, 1:08:56]: To the public. [1:08:56, 1:08:57]: To the residents. [1:08:58, 1:09:00]: So when I wanna look at the actuals [1:09:01, 1:09:03]: What our spending trends are. [1:09:03, 1:09:12]: If we're um spending more in one department than the other, if we're not spending enough in certain areas. [1:09:12, 1:09:13]: I wanna see [1:09:13, 1:09:15]: Where those [1:09:15, 1:09:16]: The adjustments. [1:09:17, 1:09:20]: The amendments to our current year budgets [1:09:20, 1:09:22]: should be presented. [1:09:23, 1:09:24]: During our public meetings. [1:09:24, 1:09:25]: But they're not. [1:09:26, 1:09:30]: We should be able to look at the budget right now online. [1:09:30, 1:09:35]: and see where we are with our spending with all of the departments. [1:09:36, 1:09:38]: The city spent well over a hundred and thirty. [1:09:39, 1:09:42]: twenty thousand dollars on open gov. [1:09:42, 1:09:45]: It was a software program. [1:09:45, 1:09:46]: Where the public [1:09:46, 1:09:49]: Кудсі релів транзакція. [1:09:49, 1:09:51]: Well that software is not up. [1:09:52, 1:09:53]: It's not available. [1:09:53, 1:09:56]: It has not been rolled out for the public to see. [1:09:56, 1:09:59]: So until then I'm going to continue. [1:09:59, 1:10:02]: asking questions regarding the finances of the city. [1:10:03, 1:10:04]: Absolutely. [1:10:05, 1:10:12]: Just two months ago, I asked for a mid-year budget review for this year's budget. [1:10:13, 1:10:13]: Well [1:10:13, 1:10:15]: It was supposed to happen in June. [1:10:16, 1:10:17]: It didn't happen in June. [1:10:18, 1:10:19]: So now it would be [1:10:20, 1:10:26]: The mid-year budget review for twenty twenty four will be presented to the council during our work session. [1:10:26, 1:10:27]: In July. [1:10:28, 1:10:29]: That's the week after. [1:10:29, 1:10:33]: The council approves and adopts this millagerate. [1:10:34, 1:10:40]: That defeats the whole purpose of me asking to review our current year's budget. [1:10:41, 1:10:45]: So you see I'm just not asking these questions just to um [1:10:46, 1:10:47]: Make things difficult. [1:10:47, 1:10:49]: or complicated for anybody. [1:10:49, 1:10:53]: In fact, I'm trying to make it easy for us to make decisions here. [1:10:53, 1:10:56]: I want to be able to justify my vote. [1:10:57, 1:10:59]: And I don't feel like I can. [1:10:59, 1:11:07]: Because I don't know where we are spending wise with the three point seven seven millage rate that we currently have. [1:11:08, 1:11:09]: I don't know. [1:11:09, 1:11:12]: If the three point seven seven is enough [1:11:12, 1:11:14]: I don't know if [1:11:15, 1:11:16]: There is waste. [1:11:16, 1:11:24]: um wasteful spending in certain areas where we may be able to move money to other areas. I don't know any of that. [1:11:25, 1:11:25]: But I should know. [1:11:26, 1:11:28]: Every member of this governing body [1:11:29, 1:11:30]: has a responsibility. [1:11:31, 1:11:33]: Of ensuring that there is no waste. [1:11:33, 1:11:34]: Fraud. [1:11:34, 1:11:35]: Or abuse. [1:11:36, 1:11:39]: I'm not the newest member of this governing body anymore. [1:11:40, 1:11:41]: But I've been very vocal. [1:11:41, 1:11:45]: About being transparent, about the way we govern. [1:11:45, 1:11:47]: And the way we do business. [1:11:48, 1:11:49]: When you have nothing to hide. [1:11:50, 1:11:51]: You hide nothing. [1:11:51, 1:11:54]: If you go on the city's website right now. [1:11:54, 1:11:57]: And you look at the current year's budget. [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: versus the actual spending in twenty twenty three isn't complete. [1:12:03, 1:12:05]: In fact, the council adopted. [1:12:05, 1:12:08]: This year's budget without seeing [1:12:08, 1:12:11]: The full actuals from twenty twenty three. [1:12:12, 1:12:18]: It's the reason why and I can't remember if I abstained or I opposed approving the budget. [1:12:19, 1:12:23]: I asked for the actuals, I need to see where we are. [1:12:24, 1:12:25]: I'm the only one asking. [1:12:26, 1:12:31]: And the council takes a position of if there are not three people [1:12:31, 1:12:34]: Who are in favor of [1:12:35, 1:12:36]: A suggestion or idea? [1:12:36, 1:12:38]: The staff doesn't move on it. [1:12:38, 1:12:40]: So it just leaves me. [1:12:40, 1:12:42]: Asking the questions. [1:12:42, 1:12:44]: While everybody else is silent. [1:12:47, 1:12:51]: You all need to hold your elected officials accountable. [1:12:51, 1:12:53]: For the decisions that they're making. [1:12:54, 1:12:58]: as as it pertains to the independent audit. [1:12:59, 1:13:01]: Since I was sworn in in twenty twenty. [1:13:02, 1:13:04]: We have received [1:13:04, 1:13:07]: A presentation from the auditing firm [1:13:07, 1:13:11]: Every July or August of every year. [1:13:12, 1:13:14]: their observations are in [1:13:15, 1:13:18]: um review of the previous years. [1:13:18, 1:13:19]: Budget. [1:13:19, 1:13:20]: And financials. [1:13:21, 1:13:22]: So this year [1:13:22, 1:13:23]: The auditor. [1:13:24, 1:13:25]: We'll be reviewing [1:13:26, 1:13:28]: the budget and actuals. [1:13:28, 1:13:30]: And the finances from twenty twenty three. [1:13:32, 1:13:33]: When they come before us. [1:13:34, 1:13:34]: Um [1:13:34, 1:13:35]: I'm expecting [1:13:36, 1:13:39]: that they will be sharing all of the [1:13:39, 1:13:39]: Um [1:13:40, 1:13:41]: Findings from their audit. [1:13:42, 1:13:43]: And [1:13:43, 1:13:45]: Providing corrective actions. [1:13:45, 1:13:47]: That's what I'm expecting. [1:13:47, 1:13:48]: Last year [1:13:48, 1:13:49]: We didn't get that. [1:13:50, 1:13:52]: Диспойт мі аскін. [1:13:53, 1:13:53]: More [1:13:54, 1:13:56]: Almost twenty times. [1:13:57, 1:13:58]: My requests [1:13:58, 1:14:06]: To staff since July of twenty twenty three. My request to my councilmates, the entire [1:14:06, 1:14:07]: Governing body. [1:14:08, 1:14:09]: Telling them. [1:14:10, 1:14:12]: We need to see the independent audit results. [1:14:12, 1:14:14]: Ever since I've been here in twenty twenty. [1:14:15, 1:14:17]: The auditor has come before the council. [1:14:18, 1:14:19]: Why are they delayed? [1:14:21, 1:14:22]: This was last year. [1:14:23, 1:14:23]: Well [1:14:24, 1:14:30]: The council finally received the independent audit results from the twenty twenty two. [1:14:31, 1:14:31]: Audit. [1:14:33, 1:14:34]: In April. [1:14:35, 1:14:35]: Of this year. [1:14:38, 1:14:46]: I'm afraid we're on the same track of receiving the independent audit results from the 2023 financials. [1:14:48, 1:14:49]: They're being delayed. [1:14:49, 1:14:50]: Two. [1:14:51, 1:14:53]: So it's these kinds of politrics. [1:14:53, 1:14:55]: I don't like to play. [1:14:55, 1:14:57]: This is not just [1:14:57, 1:14:58]: Our money. [1:14:59, 1:15:00]: It's the residence money. [1:15:02, 1:15:05]: I want to make sure that they are comfortable. [1:15:05, 1:15:07]: With the decisions that are being made here. [1:15:08, 1:15:11]: It keeps being mentioned that the [1:15:11, 1:15:14]: Tax was imposed to help [1:15:14, 1:15:16]: Fund the police department. [1:15:16, 1:15:18]: Some of that may be true. [1:15:19, 1:15:20]: But we have another [1:15:21, 1:15:21]: Capital. [1:15:22, 1:15:22]: Expenditure. [1:15:23, 1:15:24]: That is awesome. [1:15:25, 1:15:26]: Using [1:15:26, 1:15:27]: This city tax. [1:15:28, 1:15:29]: That's the amphitheater. [1:15:29, 1:15:31]: To fund the amphitheater. [1:15:31, 1:15:32]: That [1:15:32, 1:15:40]: None of us, well at least I'm not, receiving monthly profit and loss statements. So I can't tell you where we are. [1:15:41, 1:15:44]: Where we are with our spending of the amphitheatre. [1:15:44, 1:15:48]: I do know what was budgeted for it in twenty twenty three. [1:15:48, 1:15:50]: And twenty twenty four. [1:15:50, 1:15:52]: Two million dollars was budgeted for it. [1:15:53, 1:15:54]: Did we go over? [1:15:54, 1:15:55]: Yes. [1:15:55, 1:15:57]: How much exactly? [1:15:57, 1:15:57]: I don't know. [1:15:59, 1:16:00]: I don't know. [1:16:00, 1:16:02]: Staff is not speaking to it. [1:16:02, 1:16:06]: Which is why I've asked that we do a deeper dive. [1:16:07, 1:16:08]: That is what I was expecting. [1:16:09, 1:16:12]: If we're talking about adopting a military [1:16:12, 1:16:20]: I don't know if we can if there's an opportunity for us to even decrease or reduce the current military. [1:16:20, 1:16:22]: Because all the information [1:16:22, 1:16:23]: Is that being provided? [1:16:24, 1:16:26]: I want to put this all on record. [1:16:26, 1:16:27]: Because Calm. [1:16:27, 1:16:29]: Alexander seemed to be [1:16:29, 1:16:34]: Pointing out a lot of the questions that I've been asking via emails. [1:16:34, 1:16:36]: And public meetings. [1:16:37, 1:16:38]: Um [1:16:39, 1:16:41]: I'm expecting the mid year budget review. [1:16:42, 1:16:43]: Uh [1:16:43, 1:16:44]: This year's budget. [1:16:44, 1:16:45]: So I can see [1:16:46, 1:16:48]: What our spinning habits and trends are. [1:16:48, 1:16:51]: If there are adjustments to be made, there are [1:16:52, 1:16:53]: We need to make them. [1:16:54, 1:16:56]: Staff are hired to do a job. [1:16:57, 1:16:58]: The governing body [1:16:58, 1:17:01]: We're the ones who are driving this ship. [1:17:02, 1:17:02]: Not staff. [1:17:09, 1:17:18]: I wanted to ask Mr. Aaron, um, is the senior discount program for the sanitation, is that still being offered? [1:17:30, 1:17:50]: Uh, Councilman Barber, yes, that's being offered as long as they meet the requirements. They meet the age and income requirements they had until May thirty first to get their information in for the FY 2023 tax year in order to receive the sanitation discount. Those that meet the requirement gets a s get a seventy five percent. [1:17:50, 1:17:52]: five percent reduction on their sanitation fees. [1:17:52, 1:17:53]: Thank you, sir. [1:18:02, 1:18:04]: Thank you, Mayor. You're welcome. [1:18:04, 1:18:07]: Mr. Baird, did you have any comments before we close out at all? [1:18:07, 1:18:08]: Just really quickly. [1:18:09, 1:18:29]: Uh thank you guys again for coming out and uh asking the questions that you have. It is your civic writing responsibility, so I want to continue to encourage you to do so. I do want to point out some facts that were stated today that will be beneficial to the citizens over the course of the next few months. Uh it was earlier stated in November the fifth, Tuesday, 2024, there will be [1:18:29, 1:18:45]: be a vote on record for a city exemption for the first time. So please be reminded of that and also notify and extend that message to your neighbors. Not everyone has a chance to come to these meetings and get that information. So knowledge is power. Please share that. [1:18:45, 1:18:57]: Uh in addition to that, wanna thank Tax Commissioner Michael Harris for coming out today. I appreciate his information and the knowledge that he shared regarding the county uh tax assessments as well as the uh school board, board of education. [1:18:58, 1:19:18]: Also wanted to point out that the millage rate for the city is not increasing, but it does appear to be represented as the three point seven seven, which is the same as it was before. And so I know there is a lot of misinformation going on around a increase. So there uh there is information regarding that. Also want to mark the dates for the Board of Education as well as the [1:19:18, 1:19:38]: Henry County adoption of their tax millage rates are both on July the thirtieth, one at one PM and one at four PM. So please mark your calendars for that as well. It's important to be at those meetings as well. And then one final note comment is that uh the city tax we actually have saved because had we not [1:19:38, 1:19:53]: and adopt adopted the police department, uh, we would have seen an increase of one point nine to four point seven. And so that is no longer the case. I did want to point that summarized note for everyone who didn't get a chance to take notes and wanted to know what was the uh briefing for today. So just wanna run down that. [1:19:53, 1:20:12]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. And once again, ladies and gentlemen, uh the uh third and last uh public hearing will be Monday, July twenty second, ten AM. And at at the end of that or conclusion of that particular meeting, that's when the council will vote on the recommendation of three point seven seven. On that note, uh late uh council yes sir. [1:20:13, 1:20:25]: Ladies and gentlemen, you know we got a special day today. The Mayor Pro Tem is here on his birthday today. All right, happy birthday, Mayor Pro Tem Carl Berry. Happy birthday, brother. [1:20:25, 1:20:42]: Thanks everybody. Appreciate that. On that note, uh council need a motion to end our meeting, please. Slow move. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Mr. Barrett. I'll give it to Mr. Barrett from Alexander Barrett. All in favor, please indicate. All right, we are now adjourned. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. God bless you all.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2024-07-18 source: 2024-07-18_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:55, 0:01:05]: Good evening. It is now six thirty. Loving God, as we gather here tonight in this Hallow Chamber, we invite your Holy Spirit into this place. [0:01:05, 0:01:15]: And we pray God that each of us would allow your spirit to rule our hearts, to guide our thoughts, and to control our lives. [0:01:17, 0:01:19]: And that our behavior would be assurance. [0:01:20, 0:01:20]: Amen. [0:01:21, 0:01:22]: Amen. [0:01:23, 0:01:25]: Gotta stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:01:28, 0:01:40]: Play to registers flag of the United States of America and to the Republic we're just one nation individual invisible. [0:01:44, 0:01:45]: [109.6, 111.7]: Mix Jackson, may I have a roll call, please? [0:01:53, 0:01:58]: I'm Linda Logan, senior planner. The um roll call is as follows, Stanley Dumas. [0:01:58, 0:01:59]: President. [0:01:59, 0:02:01]: Anthony Mitten. Present. [0:02:01, 0:02:02]: Rel tip bro. [0:02:05, 0:02:07]: Okay. David Planchon. Present. [0:02:08, 0:02:14]: Dayden Williams. Present. Matthew Thomas. Present. Mr. Chairman, we have a quorum. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Logan. [0:02:30, 0:02:50]: I'd like to welcome you to the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission meeting. I'm Stanley Dumas, Chairman. To my left, Mr. Anthony Mitten, the Vice Chair. To my far left, it's Mr. David Planchon. To my immediate right, Mr. Matthew Thomas, and to my [0:02:50, 0:02:53]: Far right, this is Mr. Jaden Williams. [0:02:55, 0:03:01]: Before the meeting began, there are some things I need to clarify regarding protocol. [0:03:02, 0:03:06]: Please play pay close attention to how the meeting will be conducted. [0:03:07, 0:03:09]: This will be a public hearing. [0:03:10, 0:03:17]: So I would ask that you keep your comments and presentations on a professional level, dealing with the facts that are important. [0:03:18, 0:03:20]: For this Commission to make its decision. [0:03:21, 0:03:29]: We will not accept comments considered by the chair to be personal, attacked on any individual or groups of individuals. [0:03:30, 0:03:35]: You will receive a warning of the chair from the chair if you d deviate from this requirement. [0:03:36, 0:03:43]: A second deviation will result in a request for you to leave the meeting and the premises for the evening. [0:03:45, 0:03:50]: Ask that you re refrain from any applauses or comments from the audience. [0:03:51, 0:04:02]: There will be only be one speaker at a time, and all remarks are made at the podium following the Chairpers Chairperson's introduction of the speaker. [0:04:04, 0:04:10]: Please direct any feedback to the commission and the chair and not to the staff or audience. [0:04:14, 0:04:25]: Please do not applaud or react to speakers, speak from the audience, cheer, execute a conversation with others in the audience. [0:04:26, 0:04:28]: or disrupt the order of this meeting in any way. [0:04:31, 0:04:40]: Be aware that these hearings are down to debate or an opportunity to ask questions which must be answered by individ any individual tonight. [0:04:42, 0:04:46]: But are merely an opportunity to present information. [0:04:46, 0:04:47]: To the commission. [0:04:50, 0:04:52]: Other than the appleton. [0:04:53, 0:04:55]: No person may speak more than once. [0:04:58, 0:05:10]: The applicant may reserve part of his speaking time as rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allotted for the pro side of the application. [0:05:11, 0:05:16]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak longer than five minutes. [0:05:19, 0:05:23]: If you have a cell phone or other electronic device. [0:05:24, 0:05:29]: I ask that you either power them off or put them in the silent mode. [0:05:31, 0:05:41]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight, please fill out a form available on the table up front and hand it to staff before approaching the podium. [0:05:43, 0:05:55]: After each case is called, we will hear next from the city staff, and then we will hear from the applicant or their representative about what their plans are for the property. [0:05:57, 0:06:00]: Along with any relevant information they wish to present. [0:06:02, 0:06:08]: The convention members will be free to ask questions at any time before a vote on the project. [0:06:09, 0:06:20]: Following the applicant, anyone who wish to speak for or against the project or just ask questions will have the opportunity to do so. [0:06:23, 0:06:26]: Each side is restricted to a maximum of ten minutes. [0:06:27, 0:06:31]: Or time may be waived at the discretion of the presiding officer. [0:06:33, 0:06:37]: If questions are raised, we may ask the applicant to speak again. [0:06:38, 0:06:48]: Afterwards we will call for a motion and a second and have any necessary discussion and if the matter is not tabled. [0:06:48, 0:06:54]: We will vote to recommend approval or denial of the application. [0:06:56, 0:06:58]: The commission is only a recommending body. [0:06:59, 0:07:17]: The mayor and council will hear the items whether we recommend approval or denial. Unless tabled, these items are listened to by the mayor and the council at their meeting on Monday, August twelfth, and voted up voted upon by them at their meeting. [0:07:30, 0:07:34]: I need a motion, please, from the commission for the adoption of the agenda. [0:07:39, 0:07:40]: Mr. Chairman, I'll make the motion to adopt. [0:07:43, 0:07:56]: It's been motion by Mr. Mitten and seconded by Mr. Thomas that we adopt the agenda as presented. All in favor? Let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. The agenda is adopted. [0:07:59, 0:08:03]: You have before you approve um minutes from the [0:08:05, 0:08:12]: June twentieth meeting. If you haven't already done so, I ask you to peruse those. [0:08:14, 0:08:17]: And make any necessary corrections if there be any. [0:08:18, 0:08:25]: Chairman. Yes, sir. I make a motion to approve the June twentieth Planning Commission summary minutes. [0:08:31, 0:08:32]: Is there a second? [0:08:34, 0:08:35]: I'll say. [0:08:35, 0:08:50]: It's been moved by Mr. Williams, second by Mr. Thomas, that we approve the minutes of June 20, 2024. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of a. Any opposed? Ayes have it. The minutes are approved. [0:08:55, 0:08:57]: We have two cases tonight. [0:08:59, 0:09:07]: We have a comprehensive plan case and a rezoning case, and they are both related to the same property. [0:09:09, 0:09:12]: Located at four twenty five Country Club Drive. [0:09:13, 0:09:15]: I will read into the record. [0:09:17, 0:09:21]: Comprehensive Plan Amendment KCP twenty twenty-four-o five. [0:09:22, 0:09:24]: It's located in Council District Five. [0:09:26, 0:09:30]: The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold a public meeting [0:09:30, 0:09:33]: Thursday, July t eighteenth, which is today. [0:09:34, 0:09:36]: In the city of Startbridge. [0:09:37, 0:09:41]: Mayor and council will hold a public hearing on Monday, August twelfth. [0:09:42, 0:09:45]: At six PM in the Stockbridge State Hall. [0:09:47, 0:09:51]: Located at forty six forty North Henry Boulevard, Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:09:51, 0:09:53]: To consider a request. [0:09:54, 0:10:00]: For a comprehensive land use change of property at four hundred twenty five Country Club Drive. [0:10:01, 0:10:03]: To resolve the property. [0:10:03, 0:10:05]: From high density [0:10:05, 0:10:08]: To low density mixed use. [0:10:09, 0:10:13]: To allow for the conversion of an an assisted living facility. [0:10:14, 0:10:16]: To a boutique hotel. [0:10:18, 0:10:20]: The applicant is Stuart Hope. [0:10:21, 0:10:23]: On this on behalf of Stockbridge. [0:10:24, 0:10:26]: Propco L C [0:10:27, 0:10:29]: The parcel number is [0:10:30, 0:10:35]: Zero fifty one dash zero one zero one six zero two one. [0:10:37, 0:10:49]: The property is on land lot fourteen district seven with six point nine two nine I'm sorry, six point nine two acres more or less within the city limits of Stockbridge. [0:10:50, 0:10:55]: The rezoning case is RZ twenty twenty four-zero five. [0:10:56, 0:11:03]: The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold a public meeting on Thursday, july twenty eighth of july eighteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:11:04, 0:11:06]: At six thirty PM [0:11:06, 0:11:14]: And the City of Stockbridge Mayor and Council will hold a public hearing on august twelfth, twenty twenty four. [0:11:15, 0:11:16]: A six PM [0:11:17, 0:11:24]: In the Stockbridge City Hall located at forty six forty North Henry Boulevard in Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:11:25, 0:11:34]: To consider a request for the rezoning of property located at forty at four twenty-five Council Club Drive. [0:11:35, 0:11:40]: to rezone the property from OI, which is office institutional. [0:11:42, 0:11:46]: We're gonna r they wanna rezone it to C two, which is general commercial. [0:11:47, 0:11:50]: to allow for a boutique hotel. [0:11:51, 0:11:53]: The applicant again stood hope. [0:11:53, 0:11:56]: On behalf of Stockbridge Prop Core L C [0:11:57, 0:12:03]: The parcel is zero five one dash zero one zero one six zero two one. [0:12:05, 0:12:15]: The property is in landlock 14 of District 7 with 6.92 acres more or less within the Stockbridge city limits. Mr. Linton, please. [0:12:17, 0:12:30]: Thank you, Mr. Dumas. Uh my name is Gordon Linton, Planner One for the City of Stockbridge, and I'm here to present the cases for RZ 2024-05 and CP24-05 for 425 Country Club Drive. [0:12:34, 0:12:54]: Uh these are the case facts. As mentioned, the applicant is Stewart Hope on behalf of Stockbridge Pro Praccal LLC, and the owner is Stockbridge Proco LLC, and the agent is Stewart Hope. The address of the property is 425 Country Club Drive, and the number of acres is 6.92. As far as the characteristics, the current the building [0:12:54, 0:13:09]: Building is being used as a senior assisted living facility with the current land use designation of high density residential and with the current zoning of OI, which is office institutional. And in addition, the sign was posted on june eighteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:13:12, 0:13:32]: This is the the vicinity map. Um you have the public shopping center to the left, along with Chase Bank, uh PNC Bank and Georgia Credit, Georgia United Credit of the Union. To below you have the Eagles Landing Country Club, along with the Egypt Eagles Landing Country Club, which is the golf course, and to the right. [0:13:32, 0:13:34]: Right, you have the subdivision known as the village estates. [0:13:37, 0:13:42]: And this is the sign that was posted on June uh June eighteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:13:46, 0:13:57]: And this is a site visit that we did on June eighteenth, twenty twenty four. As you can see, it's adjacent from the entrance to the public shopping center and across is Georgia United Credit Union. [0:14:01, 0:14:04]: And this is the presentation for CP twenty twenty four-zero five. [0:14:06, 0:14:19]: As mentioned, the applicant's request is to change the current future land use designation from high density residential to low density mixed use to allow to allow for the conversion of assisted living facility to a boutique hotel. [0:14:20, 0:14:27]: And this is the City of Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan twenty twenty four with the definition of the high density residential. [0:14:30, 0:14:45]: And this is the future land use map and the property is surrounded by high density mixed use to the left, low density mixed use to the south, and you have a low density residential, high density residential, and low density mixed use. [0:14:49, 0:14:51]: And this is the project information [0:14:52, 0:15:00]: The exterior scope that will occur during the conversion from the existed living facility to the boutique hotel will include landscaping, uh the [0:15:02, 0:15:22]: Replacement of the existing terrace guardrails with ornamental railings, exterior painting, and installation of security features that includes cameras, and the remainder of the conversion will focus on the interior renovations that will include full room and bathroom updates. There are no proposed changes to the current side plan nor floor plan of the existing building. [0:15:22, 0:15:22]: [927.7, 937.0]: So the key points to highlight from the staff analysis that we did is that it is consistent with the comprehensive plan, particularly the economic development goal. [0:15:38, 0:15:46]: Along with the econom economic development policy and both the future land use goals, which is shown here, and the future land use policy. [0:15:51, 0:16:01]: And it is also suitable to the subject property since it will bring growth to the vicinity, provide additional jobs, and will attract tourists who will not only visit the boutique hotel [0:16:03, 0:16:05]: But would spend money at the nearby shopping center. [0:16:10, 0:16:20]: And staff staff recommends that the based on the staff analysis that we did, staff recommends that the current future land use just remains as high density residential. [0:16:25, 0:16:30]: And this is the presentation for the rezoning RZ twenty twenty four dash zero five. [0:16:31, 0:16:39]: As mentioned, the the applicant wants to rezone the property from OI, which is Office Institutional, to C2, General Commercial. [0:16:43, 0:16:54]: And this is the zoning map and the subject property is surrounded by C2, MFR, which is the village estates, and the PUD, which is the Eagles Landing Country uh Golf Course. [0:16:56, 0:17:04]: And in addition, the subject property is also part of the Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District, which is shown here in purple. And this is the site with the star. [0:17:07, 0:17:20]: And the zoning history of the property. The subject property was previously a hotel called the Inn and Eagles Landing, which is shown here. The construction on the hotel started in 1994 and was finished in 1995. [0:17:20, 0:17:28]: And then the subject property was rezoned from R M, which is multiple family residential, to OI, upon the request of Clearnt properties on November eighth. [0:17:29, 0:17:32]: two thousand four with their tending use as an assisted living facility. [0:17:36, 0:17:38]: And this is a survey of the property. [0:17:48, 0:18:07]: And this is the project information. Uh currently the system limit facility has sixty-eight parking spaces and it does meet the parking requirements found in section four point eight five of the UDC code, which is one parking space per room. And they will also have ten employees with six being full-time and four being part-time. [0:18:10, 0:18:27]: And the key points from the staff analysis that we did is that it is consistent with the goals of the policies found found in the comp plan. It's also consistent with the UDC, the intent of the C two district and the Parkway mixed use overlay district standards. [0:18:29, 0:18:49]: And some of the positive effects that will include additional growth with the three hotels, which is shown here in the vicinity. You have Holiday Inn Express, you have Micro Hotel Inn and Suites, and you also have True Hilton Hotel. So with that, it will bring additional growth to the city. It'll provide job opportunities within not only within the hotel. [0:18:49, 0:19:03]: such as staff services and for management, but also bring additional job opportunities for residents as well as in the city. It will also attract tourists, and it will increase the popularity and growth of the nearby golf course at the Eagles Landing Country Club. [0:19:07, 0:19:18]: And lastly, the proposed boutique hotel won't have any negative impact on the surrounding properties owners since it is surrounded by residential and commercial. And staff recommends approval. [0:19:25, 0:19:26]: Nice. [0:19:26, 0:19:29]: Thank you very much. Is the applicant present? [0:19:31, 0:19:33]: No, but I and his colleagues. [0:19:34, 0:19:36]: Would you approach the podium, please? [0:19:38, 0:19:39]: You have a presentation to make? [0:19:41, 0:19:41]: What was that again, sir? [0:19:42, 0:19:58]: Do you have a presentation to make? I do not other than just to reintroduce what Gordon said. Uh speaking the mic, please. The the goal of the property is to turn it into a boutique hotel as it once was, and that's pretty much it. [0:19:59, 0:19:59]: We can't hear you. [0:20:00, 0:20:20]: The goal is to turn the property back into its original state as a boutique hotel. It was as as it was originally constructed. Um there will be no major changes to the exteriors other than the uh the things that Gordon mentioned and most of the uh renovations will happen t on the interior of the [0:20:20, 0:20:20]: [1222.0, 1222.6]: Thank you. [0:20:23, 0:20:25]: Any questions from the commission, please? [0:20:27, 0:20:47]: Yeah, Chair, I have a few. Um thank you. Um is this you guys's first hotel or do you all have different hotels that you've I'm actually with the ownership of the current group. Um the property is under contract with a hotel group, but they are not undertaking the rezoning we are. Um this would be one of the [0:20:47, 0:20:55]: Their this would be their fifth hotel that they have in the Atlanta area. Um, I don't know what ones they are, but I know they own five in the area. [0:20:56, 0:20:57]: Oh yeah. [0:20:57, 0:20:58]: Mm. [0:21:02, 0:21:03]: Canagis for the record, please. [0:21:04, 0:21:05]: Grant Milton? [0:21:06, 0:21:06]: Uh [0:21:09, 0:21:11]: Melton, [0:21:12, 0:21:13]: Was that? [0:21:15, 0:21:31]: We'll get we'll get it at the end. Um, so you said they have five different hotels and one of the things that we try to push here on the board, especially in mayor and council, is quality in the actual community. Do you know by chance what are the ratings for those other hotels that they have? Is it a three star, five star, two star? [0:21:31, 0:21:47]: I'm not aware but I know this hotel um will be boutique and it will be probably a four or five star hotel. So define a boutique hotel for me'cause I'm trying to analyze it in my head and and I so w will it be shops in it? Like what it define that for me. [0:21:47, 0:21:53]: mainly defines the size of the hotel and the quality of the hotel. It's more upscale. [0:21:55, 0:21:58]: Gotcha. Okay. Uh that's all I have for you. Thank you. [0:22:00, 0:22:16]: Any more questions, please. Yes, sir. I have a question. So the facility is currently occupied, correct? Correct. So have the families and the residents been met with, made understood what the uh timelines are, uh what the intention is? [0:22:17, 0:22:37]: I am unaware of that because that is not my role in the company. I handle real estate. Um I was told that I think uh upper level management had spoken with the staff and they were directed to speak with the residents family probably two or three weeks ago about what the timeline and the process. [0:22:37, 0:22:40]: [1360.7, 1377.1]: Okay. Thank you. Chair. If I may, um I'd I would like to thank the gentleman, but I d I know the buyer said she was here and she would probably be able to answer um Commissioner Minton's question a little bit further. Just a type form answer. We'll get to that. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. Mm-hmm. [0:23:00, 0:23:03]: Ma'am, did you say you were the applicant? [0:23:11, 0:23:12]: Tell us your name. [0:23:13, 0:23:21]: Uh good evening. My name is Venus Gervin. Uh I participated in putting the application together, but the formal applicant is the broker. [0:23:23, 0:23:24]: So you are not the Africa. [0:23:25, 0:23:30]: I'm the purchaser who will be converting it into the hotel. Okay. Go running. [0:23:30, 0:23:30]: Okay. [0:23:31, 0:23:35]: Um so to answer your first question, uh Ubutique Hotel is [0:23:35, 0:23:55]: Um it will be a soft branded hotel. Um we're looking in the upper upscale uh segmentation class. Um so um let's see what I'm not sure the best way to describe that, but it it will be um not your Hampton or you know Holiday Inn, but it will be [0:23:55, 0:24:05]: a more uh upper upscale um class than that. So uh different types of amenities, um food and beverage, um bar surfaces also. [0:24:09, 0:24:10]: Any other questions? [0:24:12, 0:24:14]: I have one for you. Mm-hmm. [0:24:15, 0:24:19]: Do you intend to develop the hotel, but do you intend to manage it as well? [0:24:19, 0:24:20]: Yes. [0:24:21, 0:24:23]: So the other hotels that [0:24:25, 0:24:34]: I think you said five, you were told five. Yes. That you own already. Mm-hmm. You manage and you you develop and you manage them yourself. [0:24:34, 0:24:41]: Uh yes, we have a um management, a third party management company uh that will manage the properties. So it's a different company, but yes. [0:24:43, 0:24:44]: So it's like a chain. [0:24:45, 0:24:52]: Uh no, it's not a chain. It's just uh I mean, we're just a a small um, you know, development group. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. [0:24:53, 0:25:08]: And I believe you had a question about um the existing occupants. Um, from my understanding, the um the current owners have another property not far from there and they were gonna relocate those occupants to that facility. [0:25:10, 0:25:15]: And that property is likely to be latest I was told. [0:25:16, 0:25:18]: Oh, are you are you okay. [0:25:18, 0:25:19]: Are you the [0:25:22, 0:25:23]: Oh okay, okay, I'm sorry. [0:25:24, 0:25:42]: The concern is obviously that we want to make sure that the the residents are given ample notice, the families, to make wise and informed decisions whether or not they want to go to a new facility. Yes. Yes. Or another facility in the case that you've just stated. Mm-hmm. It would be made available. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I don't have anything else. [0:25:45, 0:25:56]: If there are no further questions, thank you very much. Okay, thank you so much. Mr Chairman, I'd I'd like to ask a question. And and I may have missed the answer if this was asked already, but what exactly is the function of a boutique hotel? [0:25:57, 0:26:16]: Um the function um almost similar to the first gentleman's um question, it's uh it will be a soft branded hotel, so it's not a a holiday inn or a Hampton. It will be um an independent hotel, but you use the um the reservation services of a Hilton or a Marriott. [0:26:18, 0:26:28]: So for example, if you have if you're a Hilton Rewards member and you stay at this hotel and it's a soft branded Hilton, you can still get your rewards points. [0:26:28, 0:26:35]: That would be probably the best example. And the existing structure has how many rooms available to house people? [0:26:35, 0:26:38]: Um it has um fifty eight rooms right now. [0:26:38, 0:26:39]: Okay. [0:26:39, 0:26:39]: Mm-hmm. [0:26:42, 0:26:50]: And we're not um you know, we're not adding any um we're not adding onto the building or anything. We'll just work with whatever's there. [0:26:53, 0:26:53]: Yeah. [0:26:54, 0:26:55]: Any more questions? [0:26:56, 0:26:59]: I'm sorry, one last question, Chair. Uh [0:27:01, 0:27:08]: Our project description says it has sixty rooms and sixty eight room uh existing parking spaces. Are you changing or adjusting that at all? [0:27:09, 0:27:29]: Well it has um the space for 60 rooms. For example, they're using one room as a fitness center. So I haven't decided yet if I'm gonna keep that a fitness center or make it a room. Uh they're using another room as a suite onto another room. So I haven't decided yet if I'm gonna keep that a suite or make that its own room. So it can have a maximum. [0:27:29, 0:27:35]: maximum of sixty rooms, but right now it has fifty eight. So uh it'll either be fifty eight or sixty. [0:27:36, 0:27:37]: And [0:27:38, 0:27:43]: Were the opportunities for extended stay also granted in throughout this hotel or no? [0:27:43, 0:27:46]: Um no, that's not one of the brands that we're looking for. [0:27:47, 0:27:48]: Thank you. [0:27:48, 0:27:57]: Yeah, um I'm not sure that um I haven't really seen many extended stays that are in the the upper upscale category that I'm looking for. [0:28:01, 0:28:01]: Okay. [0:28:03, 0:28:04]: Good. [0:28:05, 0:28:06]: Thank you, Mel. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. Mm-hmm. [0:28:21, 0:28:24]: Since this is a public hearing [0:28:26, 0:28:27]: I'm gonna ask [0:28:29, 0:28:35]: If there is anyone in the building who would like to speak in favor of this project. [0:28:40, 0:28:47]: Seeing none, then I will ask if there are anyone present who wish to speak in opposition to this project. [0:28:49, 0:28:50]: Okay. [0:28:50, 0:29:05]: I will ask that you form a line to my right in this aisle. And if you hadn't already filled out a form, given it to the secretary, I would ask that you do so before you approach the podium. [0:29:07, 0:29:13]: If you've already done so, you may approach the podium third and give us your name and address. [0:29:19, 0:29:24]: Good evening, everyone. Speaking to the microphone, please. Make sure the green light is on. [0:29:25, 0:29:27]: Green light is on. Okay, sir. [0:29:28, 0:29:33]: My name is Bruce Meadows and I live at Thirty Indian Overlook Court in Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:29:34, 0:29:35]: Um [0:29:36, 0:29:56]: I ha I have prepared a thing to s to say, but I also do want to address some of the things that came up with the presentation of the former people that are presenting. The I'm a family member, my mother is a resident at Golden Crest, and the families have not been given an opportunity to know when or where the [0:29:56, 0:30:16]: The residence will be moved. Um they've not been given any date, any type of uh plan or of what would be done. Um I've specifically spoken to the um recently um the executive director to ask her for those details, and she told me that the owner had not informed everyone. [0:30:16, 0:30:35]: that yet. So if but information has been shared and I'd spoken with several of the staff members too and they also don't have any information as to what the plan currently would be. My mother is 83 years old. She was diagnosed approximately two years ago with dementia. [0:30:35, 0:30:55]: Um I know that's a uh an impactful diagnosis from many families, but for ours it was pretty significant in that my mother is very fun, she's very lively, she's very sassy, and for her to deteriorate to the point to where she needs this type of facility has been pretty debilitating for our entire family. Um [0:30:55, 0:31:15]: This facility became became highly recommended by Sherry Douglas with Southern Grace Hospice. She and my mother, she her mother and my mother were both in the emergency room one evening. They had both fallen and we got to talking as you do with fellow emergency room patients. And I found out what her uh type of work was and we got [0:31:15, 0:31:35]: Got to talking about it and that I was looking for a facility for my mom because we were nearing that point to consider that type of a change in our lives. She recommended Goldencrest without hesitation. She works in-house with a lot of the different facilities in the area, Henry County and beyond. And not that she had anything bad to say about. [0:31:35, 0:31:42]: about any of the other ones, but she recommended Goldencrest because of its size. It was smaller. There were more one on one care [0:31:42, 0:32:00]: available for the residents. I mean currently now there are only 24 residents in the home and there are only 24 staff members. So basically your ratio is one to one for care and concern for patients who greatly need that level of consistency in their lives. [0:32:03, 0:32:10]: I toured the facility myself and met with the executive director, and she walked me through the place and immediately it felt like home. [0:32:10, 0:32:19]: Uh yes, it's older. Yes, the decor is not new and boutique fashioned and whatnot. And and I do understand what a boutique hotel is. Um [0:32:21, 0:32:36]: But this place is is home, and I got so encouraged by that and by the attitude. I met several staff members on my very first men um visit. I met several residents on my very first visit. Some of them have been there for over eleven years. [0:32:36, 0:32:38]: And that is their home. This is their own. [0:32:39, 0:32:40]: Mm I'm sorry. [0:32:41, 0:32:42]: Well I'm sorry, I didn't hear. [0:32:43, 0:33:03]: Two minutes, okay, I'll speed it up, my bad. Um, this is more than a facility, this is a community. These people are there for each other, they learn to love each other, they learn and greet and meet everyone's families. And my mother, when she first walked into that place, prior to visiting there, she had said for months, I will not go anywhere. [0:33:03, 0:33:10]: I have a home. I'm not going anywhere. She walked into that place and immediately said, this is home. [0:33:11, 0:33:31]: Something about it struck her as this was where I'll be comfortable. And because we've moved in and she's acclimated to the system and to the activities, it is her home now. And she loves it there. The care is incredible. Couldn't ask for a better situation for my mother. And if this were to go through, I do know that it would be a huge loss, not only [0:33:31, 0:33:32]: [2013.1, 2032.5]: And the residents, but for the community, because Stockbridge and Eagles Landing is a community and it's built on that whole mindset of being there for and with each other. So I would definitely like to leave her there because it would definitely we're lucky she has a home to come back to. Thank you very much. [0:33:53, 0:33:56]: Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Next, please. [0:34:01, 0:34:21]: Uh good evening. My name is Roselle Honorable and I am currently the property manager, maintenance man at the facility. And basically, back up uh Mr. Bruce piggyback when he says, uh it's more than just a building. It is a community. Uh from each from each residence uh to staff members. [0:34:21, 0:34:30]: Um I like to consider'em family. They're they're my moms, they're my dads. Um and like like you said. [0:34:30, 0:34:31]: When the sign went up. [0:34:32, 0:34:48]: No one knew. We still we're still in the dark for our staff and residents. Um and the the activity rooms, what they're saying, that's that's false. Um it's just it's just rooms. We got um [0:34:49, 0:34:52]: Uh uh activity, I mean a T V room and a dining room. [0:34:53, 0:35:13]: But um in in my three years there, um what I found if when residents are moved and relocated, it it doesn't it doesn't end well. Um is there some is there some things that need to be done to the building? Yes. But as far as us as staff, that's not our hand. All we do is we all we can do is our best. [0:35:13, 0:35:33]: the care and love and love on each every resident. And from for me to each staff member, I think they will echo that. So um if you're looking at the bottom line, sure the bottom line's gonna be good, but in the long run, I I think it would be a huge mistake for the families. We've uh we average like 30 residents and every since [0:35:32, 0:35:39]: The news is broke. We've been losing them left and right because they're trying to make preparations on what they have to do. Thank you. [0:35:39, 0:35:40]: Thank you, sir. [0:35:41, 0:35:42]: Next please. [0:35:45, 0:35:54]: Hi, I'm Sophia Oliver. I'm the nurse at Golden Crest. I've been there for seven years. Um, been nursing thirty one years. Um [0:35:55, 0:36:00]: The facility is more like a family oriented place. These residents look up to us. [0:36:01, 0:36:05]: Um they live there, we love on them, we treat them better than sometimes their family members. [0:36:05, 0:36:10]: I got people there who don't even have people come to visit them and they live there. They don't have nowhere to go. [0:36:10, 0:36:11]: And [0:36:11, 0:36:15]: When they talk about turning into a hotel, it was a hotel before why it didn't work then. [0:36:16, 0:36:18]: So now you want to turn it back into a hotel. [0:36:18, 0:36:23]: Which apparently didn't work. So now these people live there, been there years and years. [0:36:23, 0:36:27]: Y'all trying to take these people are trying to take it from them is not fair. [0:36:27, 0:36:30]: It's not fair to the staff, it's not fair to the residents. [0:36:30, 0:36:33]: We got a few residents here right now that's they don't have nowhere to go. [0:36:34, 0:36:37]: You know, some of'em don't even have family members and this is their home. [0:36:38, 0:36:57]: You know, and I just feel bad. You know, I'm here now. I worked all day. I work all day with them. And they look up to me. They treat me just like I'm their daughter. I treat them like m they're my parents. I love on them and they know that. If they go to another facility that they d that they don't know nobody at, guess what? They're gonna pass away. And I don't like it. [0:36:57, 0:37:01]: You know, and they'll tell you, each one of them will tell you how we treat them. [0:37:01, 0:37:21]: You know, our carpet is dirty, yeah. But the building is nice. We don't have no fitness center. We don't have all that. We got an activity room where we do bingo and throw balls and whatever we do. But they love it. You know, we might not have no van network. If y'all wanna help us get the b van fixed to take them on out of us, y'all can do that. But until then, we got a little bus, we go take and get ice cream. [0:37:21, 0:37:41]: Lights went out the other day. We took them come up there on our off day at night to come and sit with these people in the dark. I don't think nobody else gonna do that for them. We took them to get ice cream and stuff, you know, in the dark. They like that. You know what I'm saying? So my thing is don't take their home away from them. This lady sold her house to move there. [0:37:41, 0:37:43]: You know what I'm saying? She ain't got nowhere to go. [0:37:43, 0:37:56]: So, you know, when they they they talk I I understand about hotels or whatever, I get it. But that don't work for me right now. I don't public speak very well, but I think I'm doing all right right now, you know, because it it this this this gets to my heart. [0:37:56, 0:38:11]: You know, and when y'all talking about t putn turn it turn their home into a hotel, these people don't have nowhere to go. We got about thirty residents there. Five of'em leaving because they saw a sign got posted up. We don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. Nobody told us nothing. [0:38:12, 0:38:30]: On thing we was told was that we got a hearing that we gotta come to on July the 18th at 630. And best believe I'm gonna be here. And I'm gonna be at the one on August. So my thing is don't take these people home away from them for a hotel. You can put a hotel anywhere in the middle of the country club. Yeah, I get it. Y'all want the golf people to come somewhere live? Apparently that didn't work. [0:38:31, 0:38:36]: They tried that before. So next next thing you know, it's gonna fail again. These people ain't gonna have nowhere to live. [0:38:36, 0:38:43]: But anyway, I know my time is almost up. But anyway, I appreciate if y'all let these people live where they're supposed to be living at. Thank y'all. Thank you, man. [0:38:44, 0:38:45]: Next please. [0:38:50, 0:39:10]: Good afternoon. My name is Mar Glenn, and I'm a resident of the villages. I don't know what to say after her impassioned speech, except maybe to give her my time after I'm done. I just had two questions of the requester, and that is the villages of Eagle Land. [0:39:10, 0:39:30]: Is a private gated community which does not have a gate where they're planning to put in that hotel. And I want to see if they are going to allow us to remain a gated community and fence that area off. And the other question is, when will they speak with the residents? [0:39:30, 0:39:41]: I'd like to um have more information so we can have an informed decision as you said and if I can give the rest of my time to this young lady because I would love to hear her speak some more. [0:39:43, 0:39:43]: Thank you, sir. [0:39:47, 0:39:48]: May um [0:39:49, 0:39:53]: In the blue, you said you were the baya. [0:40:02, 0:40:05]: She hasn't even filled out a form yet. [0:40:07, 0:40:13]: Yes, I'm the purchaser. Can you answer uh the gentleman's question as far as the g the gated community? [0:40:15, 0:40:19]: Uh I'm sorry, w as far as the Did he leave? [0:40:19, 0:40:20]: Mm-hmm. [0:40:21, 0:40:22]: Okay. [0:40:23, 0:40:25]: Yeah, these things. Uh [0:40:30, 0:40:31]: Mm-hmm. [0:40:34, 0:40:35]: Yeah. [0:40:35, 0:40:36]: Game on that side. [0:40:37, 0:40:39]: Okay. Yeah, that's definitely something that we can look into. [0:40:42, 0:40:43]: Okay. [0:40:43, 0:41:00]: Did she answer the question? You good? Uh also when we want to speak with the presidents. Oh uh I'm not sure. This is the first kind of step in the um in the process for us. Um so I mean we we just need to kind of go from here and see where this takes us. [0:41:00, 0:41:18]: Yeah. But I but yes, I'm I'm planning on speaking with everyone uh in the surrounding area. Ma'am, would you speak in the microphone, please? Uh no, I was saying I'm planning on speaking with everyone in the surrounding area. Um, you know, as far as I mean, I'm I'm not in the assisted living business. Um I just saw the property listed for sale. [0:41:18, 0:41:34]: So I I I really can't speak to uh the you know, the other employment um issues. I have a question for you since you brought that up. Uh the gentleman that was sitting here indicated there you are. You are the seller and you are the buyer. Am I correct? [0:41:35, 0:41:37]: And you all have a contract. [0:41:37, 0:41:43]: Yes. Is it contingent on this being approved? Yes. [0:41:45, 0:41:51]: Okay. That's what I want to know. Thank you very much. Okay. Anybody else have any questions? [0:41:52, 0:41:53]: I I got it. Yeah. [0:41:54, 0:41:57]: Yeah, any more questions for the the lady before? [0:41:58, 0:42:00]: Yeah, okay, thank you, Mayor. [0:42:02, 0:42:04]: Ma'am, you may approach the podium, please. [0:42:05, 0:42:06]: Give us your name and address. [0:42:07, 0:42:11]: Hello, my name is Lisa Glenn, and my address is the one ninety nine equals club drive. [0:42:12, 0:42:15]: Um stock bridge and [0:42:17, 0:42:27]: I have a lot of concerns about that property becoming a hotel. Yes, it was a hotel before, but it was a hotel for the country club and it was when the golfers came in. [0:42:27, 0:42:30]: to do those tournaments back in the day. [0:42:31, 0:42:32]: That has ceased. [0:42:32, 0:42:36]: So if anyone is goes to that hotel. [0:42:36, 0:42:37]: As a visitor [0:42:37, 0:42:39]: They do not have access to the golf course. [0:42:40, 0:42:40]: Or the club. [0:42:41, 0:42:44]: А те доксать. [0:42:44, 0:42:46]: There is no gate. [0:42:46, 0:42:50]: м ор то стоп інівоз тру [0:42:51, 0:43:08]: to um go to all those expensive homes where the doctors and lawyers and entertainers and all those live on that side of the golf course. And our house is the first house at that gate. So as soon as they come in that gate, they have access to come straight to our house and [0:43:09, 0:43:19]: Yeah, crime rampant. It's there's nothing protecting us over there now with that hotel going there. None of the neighbors I walk [0:43:19, 0:43:28]: Quite frequently every morning, and every neighbor that I've seen, I've actually talked to about this change in the zoning. [0:43:28, 0:43:37]: Most of them have not even seen the sign. They didn't know what was going on over there at all. Nobody knows. We know because my husband got a letter. [0:43:37, 0:43:49]: That was it. Nobody else has gotten a letter. So it's like they they're doing it in secret and they're just throwing it in there and all of a sudden we're gonna be surprised and not know where, you know. [0:43:50, 0:43:50]: This [0:43:52, 0:43:59]: And we don't know what a boutique hotel is, what the price range of a boutique hotel is, you know, um [0:44:00, 0:44:07]: I've dealt with a lot of hotels when I helped house a couple of homeless people and they stay in the hotels. [0:44:08, 0:44:09]: That's not gonna be good for our area. [0:44:10, 0:44:15]: Our area, we have a very, very, very, very, very high hoe. [0:44:15, 0:44:17]: Like the highest in the state of Georgia. [0:44:18, 0:44:20]: And now our HOA is not going to even protect us. [0:44:21, 0:44:22]: From this hotel. [0:44:23, 0:44:27]: That's not good for us. A lot of people have already put up their houses for sale. [0:44:28, 0:44:32]: There's like eight houses for sale up in that area now, since I've told people. [0:44:33, 0:44:34]: So [0:44:35, 0:44:36]: Are property values gonna go down? [0:44:37, 0:44:47]: tremendously and our neighborhood is gonna go to pot. We do not want a hotel there. Everybody I've talked to said no, they do not want a hotel there at all. [0:44:48, 0:45:03]: And when I say expensive homes, I'm talking about like that's where um Hank Aaron lived, Chris Tucker's families live over there, T I and Tiny's families live over there. There's a lot of prominent people over there and they will have access to their homes because there's nothing blocking. [0:45:04, 0:45:11]: If they're gonna put a wall around that hotel and put walls down the side, and I mean high walls, so they can't climb over and jump and whatever. [0:45:12, 0:45:15]: then they might consider it, but right now no. [0:45:17, 0:45:19]: That's what I have to say so far. [0:45:19, 0:45:20]: Thank you, Mayor. You're welcome. [0:45:21, 0:45:23]: There's no one else that has not already spoken. [0:45:24, 0:45:26]: Wish to speak in opposition. [0:45:27, 0:45:33]: If you've already spoken then you will not get an opportunity to speak again. You may take your seat, sir. [0:45:35, 0:45:39]: I said you will not get a opportunity to speak to you. You may take your seats. [0:45:44, 0:45:50]: If there's no other speakers present, then we will close the public hearing. [0:45:56, 0:46:00]: I need a motion from the commission. [0:46:02, 0:46:11]: on the comprehensive case, comprehensive comprehensive plan case, CP twenty to twenty four dash zero five. [0:46:12, 0:46:15]: Chair. Yes, sir. Um [0:46:20, 0:46:40]: I w I'm gonna make this motion really solely because of one, we don't have, I believe, sufficient enough evidence for a hotel to go there. Um, or sufficient enough evidence as to why they want to move the residents, especially hearing from um some of the people in the area that work there as well, and they're saying [0:46:40, 0:46:45]: they have not heard from the owner currently as to where [0:46:45, 0:47:05]: The uh current senior senior citizens will actually go at the moment. That's kind of concerning to me, especially to place a hotel in an area where they're already comfortable, it's already secluded. It's a secluded area for our seniors, so you you know they're not making noise. It's not like they're having a big party or anything. Um so at this moment, I'm gonna make a motion. Uh [0:47:05, 0:47:22]: Uh due to some reasonable experience because I also have some family that have let me know when they when they get to a certain age they want to go to Golden Crest. Uh I'm gonna make a motion to deny comprehensive plan uh CP dash twenty twenty four dash oh five. Thank you, sir. Is there a second? [0:47:23, 0:47:26]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. I would like to second that motion. [0:47:27, 0:47:29]: It's been moved by Mr. Williams. [0:47:29, 0:47:36]: And seconded by Mr. Planchon that we denied comprehensive plan K C P twenty twenty-four-zero five. [0:47:37, 0:47:39]: All in favour that it'd be Namarasan of A. [0:47:39, 0:47:42]: In your pulse. [0:47:43, 0:47:49]: The eyes have it. The comprehensive plan case has been voted to den be denied. Thank you. [0:47:52, 0:47:57]: With respect to rezoning case R Z twenty twenty four dash zero five, I need a motion, please. [0:48:03, 0:48:15]: Chairman. Yes, sir. Uh once again, since there is not a current new development coming to that area, I'm going to make a motion to deny rezoning case RZ-2024-05. [0:48:15, 0:48:16]: Thank you. [0:48:17, 0:48:18]: Is there a second? [0:48:18, 0:48:19]: Mr. Chairman, I second. [0:48:20, 0:48:25]: It's been moved by Mr. Williams and seconded by Mr. Minton. The [0:48:25, 0:48:33]: Retoning case RZ twenty twenty four dash zero five be denied. All in favor, let it be known by the sign of I. [0:48:33, 0:48:34]: Oh yeah. [0:48:34, 0:48:42]: Any opposed? I have it. The rezoning case RZ 2024-05 has been voted to be denied. Thank you. [0:48:48, 0:48:52]: Next we will have a presentation. [0:48:53, 0:48:55]: By Jalen Hudson. [0:48:58, 0:48:59]: Mm mm mm. [0:49:22, 0:49:26]: Taylor, tell'em who you are. Tell'em who you are. [0:49:28, 0:49:34]: Well, good evening. Um, my name is Jalen Hudson. I'm a summer intern here at the city of Stockbridge. [0:49:35, 0:49:36]: Um just a little brief [0:49:37, 0:49:45]: description about myself. Um I'm a rising senior at Benedict College. Um in the business field. Um I'm a business major actually. [0:49:45, 0:49:48]: Um, just a little bit about my intern so far. [0:49:49, 0:50:05]: Um since I've been here, it's been very welcoming, very open arm. Um I've been taken under the wing of Ms. Jackson and Mr. Linton. They've been showing me the ways of learning how to, you know, plan and zone correctly. Um but without further ado, I'll get into my presentation. [0:50:09, 0:50:29]: So, first thing, what is planning? Planning and zoning are separate functions that work together as part of a long-range effort to plan quality communities. Planning provides a vision for communities while zoning is only one of several tools available to help achieve this vision. It involves the regulation of [0:50:28, 0:50:34]: of using space considering the physical form, economic functions, and social impacts. [0:50:35, 0:50:40]: Urban planning aims to improve existing urban areas and creating new urbanization. [0:50:43, 0:50:56]: As we see here we have a s a chart with zoning and planning. Zoning is pretty much guided by the zoning ordinance, determines what can happen on the property today, which includes zoning districts and a zoning map. [0:50:56, 0:51:07]: Planning, on the other hand, is guided by the comprehensive plan, determines what can happen on the property in our future. It includes character areas and a future land use map. [0:51:10, 0:51:25]: So here we have our current zoning districts. Uh I'll run through them right real quick. We have our rural residential district, suburban residential district, our city center residential district, multiple family residential, residential [0:51:25, 0:51:26]: Mobile home. [0:51:26, 0:51:31]: Office institution, downtown district, neighborhood commercial district. [0:51:31, 0:51:33]: Our general commercial di district. [0:51:33, 0:51:40]: Heavy Commercial District, Light Industrial District, Office Distribution District, and our Plant Unit Development. [0:51:43, 0:51:53]: Here we have a updated zoning map of this year. Um just you know, you can take a quick look for a couple of seconds and I'll move on to the next slide. [0:51:58, 0:52:06]: Here we have our overlay zoning districts, Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District, also in abbreviations of PMU. [0:52:06, 0:52:11]: And we have the downtown village overlay district in abbreviations of D T V. [0:52:14, 0:52:25]: Here we have our future land use map which falls under the planning as mentioned as mentioned before. So you all can take a quick look and I'll move on to the next slide. [0:52:31, 0:52:46]: Here we have our link to both zone the future land use map and our zoning map. Um, the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code, the interactive map is under GIS. [0:52:50, 0:52:53]: Now here we talk about the process of zoning. [0:52:53, 0:53:13]: So it kind of s I guess starts out with, you know, the customer presents their ideas and then of course it runs down to the staff, which runs into the approval or denial. So here let's just say the staff says yes, then the customer will apply for permits with permits division. Now if we go to [0:53:13, 0:53:20]: the denial. The customer will have to apply for a rezoning, use permit, modification, and or a variance. [0:53:20, 0:53:25]: And also the staff will have to use comprehensive plans to analyze those requests. [0:53:26, 0:53:31]: Both mayor, council, or planning commission makes the final decision. [0:53:34, 0:53:36]: Now what is zoning? [0:53:36, 0:53:48]: Zoning is the act or process of parsoning a city, town, or borough into zones reserved for different purposes, such as residents or businesses. [0:53:48, 0:53:55]: It will control the way in which the land can be developed and what purposes the zones can serve. [0:53:56, 0:54:06]: It also regulates more specific details of construction such as maximum building height, minimum lot size, or how far a house needs to be set back from the road. [0:54:10, 0:54:30]: Now, this is this is what I'm interested in. What and who is a planner? Planners help decide what kind of building should go where, where new parks may be needed, and what areas in the community are in need of changes to make them better places to be. A planner serves as the zoning administrator of this board and enforces the city's. [0:54:30, 0:54:30]: [3272.5, 3274.1]: What exactly do they do? [0:54:34, 0:54:43]: Planners interpret a community's zoning code, determines what type of buildings are allowed in what places, and help a community create a vision for what it wants to become. [0:54:45, 0:55:05]: Now this slide is personally, you know, it means a lot to me because, you know, I grew up in the city of Stockbridge since I've been in ninth, tenth grade, but I've always been around the city and I always wanted it to become, you know, something better than what it can be today. So as far as, you know, bringing in new businesses, whether if it's [0:55:05, 0:55:12]: um hotels, restaurants, anything to kind of bring the the attraction to the city of Stockbridge and bring people here. [0:55:14, 0:55:34]: So we'll get into the possible recommendations by the planner. So once again, the approval, we approve the request as submitted by the applicant, or we can deny, which denies the applicant's request, block any further reapplications of the property for a year. And then let's say approval with some you know conditions. We'll approve. [0:55:34, 0:55:40]: Approve their request with extra conditions placed, but it may be recommended by the staff and or the board. [0:55:41, 0:55:50]: And then of course deferral. Defers the case to the next planning commission meeting in order to complete further action necessary prior to decision making. [0:55:54, 0:56:13]: And this one right here is the staff report, which will be sent in a week in advance. Uh it includes, you know, site history, public utility services, considerations, so on and so forth. Um, as you all can see uh on the slide, I won't, you know, get into all of them, but as you all can take a look, it's right there. [0:56:15, 0:56:22]: And then also in bold at the bottom, the staff will review the reports and answer questions thirty minutes in advance of regular meetings. [0:56:26, 0:56:29]: Next slide will be the chapter nine zoning amendments. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: If you all can see, I've highlighted four parts that stuck out more to me. So number one was whether the proposal is consistent and/or compatible with the city's plans, goals, objectives that reflect in the city's comprehensive plan. Then I can jump around. Uh, how does the proposal impact traffic safety and [0:56:49, 0:57:02]: and congestion and then how will the proposal impact the value of adjacent properties? So we have fourteen amendments, but like I said, I stuck with four just for the you know for the sake of the presentation. [0:57:06, 0:57:26]: And then we start getting to the sectioning, which is you know requirements for special use permits. So as you can see, it goes as the proposed use shall not cause traffic congestions or conditions that will adversely affect nearby properties. The physical conditions of the site, including um to topography. [0:57:26, 0:57:46]: However, you pronounce it, uh, drainage and size and shape are suitable for the proposed development. Then you have the adequate public facilities that are available to serve the proposed use. Then the applicant has made a bidding agreement, a binding agreement, I'm sorry, for any specific limitations or conditions necessary to protect. [0:57:45, 0:57:56]: to protect the public interest, and also it assures the continued beneficial use and enjoyment of nearby properties or that no special limitations are necessary to protect the public. [0:57:58, 0:58:12]: Then you have the conditional use with specific limitations, design features may have been required that will further aim the comprehensive plan and will not only be a d unduly d detrimental to nearby properties. [0:58:15, 0:58:35]: And then of course your items that we or you know I as a future planner would like to consider site plan design, neighboring zoning districts, traffic flow, multimodal c capabilities, screening and or landscaping, the concept comprehensive plans of the future land use. [0:58:35, 0:58:42]: Anything else you deem relevant and recommend you to familiarize yourself with each site in advance of your meeting. [0:58:45, 0:58:50]: And this was my presentation. Um I'm open to take any questions. [0:58:51, 0:58:53]: Any questions from the Commission? [0:58:54, 0:58:57]: No questions, but very well presented. [0:58:57, 0:59:03]: Thank you. Seemed like a bright young man and look forward to seeing you work with the city in the future. [0:59:04, 0:59:06]: Thank you. And it will be a pleasure to be here soon. [0:59:08, 0:59:09]: Thank you, sir. [0:59:17, 0:59:29]: Mr. Anderson, do we have any project updates? Um no sir, Mr. Dumas. Um staff doesn't have any updates at this time. I want to like I'd like to thank Jalen for a great presentation though. [0:59:34, 0:59:35]: Thank you, sir. [0:59:36, 0:59:41]: You have any comments, any further comments? Uh no sir, Mr. Dumas, thank you. [0:59:42, 0:59:44]: Can they comment from the board? [0:59:45, 0:59:48]: Chairman, um I missed the last meeting. I see the insert for the text amendment. [0:59:49, 1:00:02]: Is this something that was not on the agenda for discussion? Okay. Yes, sir. We'll we'll we need to take that to city council first to get their blessing and bring it to the Planning Commission. Okay. It'll probably be on the um August meeting. [1:00:05, 1:00:05]: Right, thank you. [1:00:08, 1:00:09]: Anything else? [1:00:11, 1:00:12]: You all ready to go home? [1:00:14, 1:00:15]: I need a motion to adjourn. [1:00:17, 1:00:18]: So moved here. [1:00:18, 1:00:30]: Is there a second? I second. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. I go ahead. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you all for coming. Have a good evening. [1:01:06, 1:01:07]: Thank you, gentlemen.

--- title: Special Called Meeting Public Hearing 1 Millage Rate date: 2024-07-15 source: 2024-07-15_Special_Called_Meeting_Public_Hearing_1_Millage_Rate.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:18]: Not the first time, you know. I think you disqualify. And we're gonna we'll try this again. Ladies and good. So I had to call a meeting to order. And the invocation simply stand will begin by American Berry. If you can stand. [0:00:20, 0:00:36]: Dear God, pray today that you would be with us and be with seedings that you will order our footsteps and lead them out of slow make the best decisions for citizens' storage. Lord God, you continue to guide us and give a loving grace and mercy in everything we do. In your son Jesus' name pray. Amen. Amen. All right. Pledge allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the [0:00:37, 0:00:39]: Yes, good evening everyone. [0:00:39, 0:00:59]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Timberry. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilmember Barber. Present. Councilmember Gantt. Present. Council Member Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Council, I need a motion to uh adopt our agenda, please. So moved. For Mr. Alexander, is there a second? [0:00:59, 0:01:19]: Second. Mr. Berry, second that all in favor, please indicate. It's unanimous decision. Thank you very much. And what we're going to have tonight, ladies and gentlemen, is our first of three public hearings in reference to a miller's rate. Now that's going to be presented by Mr. Gardner, which is our city manager. But let me uh read our public hearing rules before he gives his presentation. And [0:01:19, 0:01:39]: And uh you citizens that are present, you'll get a chance obviously to uh have opportunity to uh give your opinion here uh during the meeting or later on. Please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on public hearing item, please fill out a form available at the table and hand it in to the city clerk before approaching the podium. After he's case. [0:01:39, 0:01:59]: The council would hear from the city staff, followed by applicant or representative regarding the proposed plans for property along any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, uh anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. East side would [0:01:59, 0:02:19]: be allotted 10 minutes total. Additional time may be extended or at the discretion of the council. Please keep comments and presentations professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual or group. Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding [0:02:19, 0:02:39]: Officer recognizes the speaker, he or she shall have direct all comments to the presiding officer, that is me, and never to the members of the council, staff, or audience. All comments will be made from the podium where you will be required to state your name and address for the record. Please note that these proceedings of these hearings are not a debate. [0:02:39, 0:02:59]: Will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. Other than an applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and last, and you may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the process. [0:02:59, 0:03:19]: Side of the application. If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions andor concerns. The presiding officer will call for a motion and second to the motion and will have any necessary discussion in a matter of it's not tabled. The presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial for the request. This is our public [0:03:19, 0:03:26]: uh hearing rules. On that note, Mr. Gardner, our city manager, please come forward and uh and and give us your presentation, sir. [0:03:27, 0:03:47]: Mayor. Yes, sir. If I could just uh for for clarification, this is for the city of Stockbridge Millage. That's correct. You do not live in the city. This does not affect your tax rate. Is that correct? That is correct, sir. All right, thank you. Okay. But it is an open meeting regardless of the city. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Good deal. [0:03:47, 0:03:55]: Yes, sir. Good evening again, Mayor, Council, uh residents. Um, tonight uh we have our first public hearing. [0:03:57, 0:04:05]: Our first public hearing regarding uh setting of the millers rate for uh twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five. [0:04:06, 0:04:13]: And so with that I'll get proceeded with um some information regarding the millage rate, regarding regarding the digest. [0:04:13, 0:04:33]: Um, talk about some of the growth that's happening in the city, the impacts, um, what we see from our proposed what we preliminary work on our budget, um, and then millish rate options and how that would affect um different homes of different prices within the city um based on different scenario different options. Uh and from that. [0:04:33, 0:04:40]: you'll be able to kinda glee exactly um where the mill is rate is headed based on on our preliminary budget. [0:04:43, 0:04:50]: So what precipitated the budget me the budget uh bubble public hearings is under Georgia law [0:04:51, 0:04:58]: Um a r uh increase in your m property digest, not your millage rate, precipitates uh [0:04:59, 0:05:05]: increase in property tax. So like the some state I worked in, like the state of Illinois. [0:05:05, 0:05:08]: It's not that way. What drives the [0:05:09, 0:05:13]: increase is the increase in millage. So your property could go up but your [0:05:14, 0:05:16]: Your military stays the same. [0:05:17, 0:05:18]: That's considered um [0:05:18, 0:05:23]: not a property tax increase. But in Georgia it's considered a property tax increase. So I digest [0:05:24, 0:05:34]: um for this year grew, unlike in previous years where we were having double digit growth. Um I think it was close to twelve, twelve or eleven percent last year. This year, uh [0:05:35, 0:05:45]: number is one point eight six billion is where we was last year compared to one point nine billion this year. So there was a slight four point four percent increase from twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four. [0:05:45, 0:05:53]: So under Georgia law, what that means is even if the city council votes to keep the millers rate at three point seven seven, which was adopted last year. [0:05:54, 0:05:57]: That still would precipitate the need for public hearings. [0:05:57, 0:06:00]: Because the digest went up even though the miller's rate did not. [0:06:01, 0:06:05]: Right. And so under that we're required to have three public hearings [0:06:05, 0:06:22]: And at that third public hearing, that's when the millage rate would be set at the Wisher Council. As we did last year, when we instituted a millage rate, we were advised by a financial advisor that it's best to advertise a number, even though you will come in under that number. [0:06:22, 0:06:28]: But you want to put a number that's not the number that you're currently at as advertising just because. And here's our scenario. [0:06:29, 0:06:34]: Unlike Henry County, whose budget begins June J July one and ends [0:06:34, 0:06:42]: January 30th of the previous year, the county had no idea what the digest would look like when they just adopted their budget, even though they might have numbers built in. [0:06:43, 0:06:45]: Um you they did not know. [0:06:45, 0:06:57]: Right. So for us our calendar our budget is calendar year, January one to December. So we have a very good idea of what our property tax and our loss revenues would be, unlike the county to some degree. [0:06:57, 0:06:58]: Right. So [0:06:59, 0:07:12]: We advertised a number just above what the number we have, but it wasn't what we did last year. So last year we presented six mills and the sun the city council adopted three point seven seven. So this year we advertised four point two five. [0:07:12, 0:07:19]: With the understanding that we know we could probably work our budget in under that number and would recommend a number smaller than that, lower than that. [0:07:20, 0:07:37]: Uh and so what does the military does? It it drives your general fund revenue, your general operations of government, police. In some cases if you had a fire department, fire department. Um, your parks, your recs, your public works, the folks that do your roads, your side that cleans your do your sidewalks. [0:07:37, 0:07:55]: That funds general government operations, right? Unlike your enterprise funds, or what we call our business type funds, which are water and silver that act and sanitation that act in a competitive business environment, they act differently. So that's what sets what funds your property tax and sales tax fund your general fund. [0:07:57, 0:08:00]: And I don't know how clear this is, I'm gonna try to see if I could blow it up. [0:08:01, 0:08:14]: It's the only way I could get it in here, but I'll I'll do another one and show you guys a different scenario. But in essence, what this slide shows is the increase in our digest um over the last five years, and that digest shows 1.862 billion. [0:08:15, 0:08:18]: The new digest is one point nine four billion. [0:08:18, 0:08:18]: Right. [0:08:19, 0:08:21]: Motor vehicles uh three point four [0:08:21, 0:08:22]: Million. [0:08:23, 0:08:29]: Uh we still have mobile homes in the city of Stockbridge and their values are right at two million dollars all combined. [0:08:30, 0:08:32]: Um we don't have timber in the city, so that doesn't count. [0:08:33, 0:08:37]: Um heavy equipment, we're right at about seven hundred se uh seventy five hundred. [0:08:38, 0:08:58]: And so our gross digest with all those things added adds up to one point nine five billion dollars. So because most of us as homeowners in the county, we could apply for relief from our county taxes, and that's called homestead exemption. So all of us have exemptions. Those exemptions are right at forty four point seven. [0:08:58, 0:08:59]: Seven million. [0:08:59, 0:09:17]: So that comes off of the one point five billion and it leaves you a net digest value of one point nine oh six billion dollars. When you apply, and for everybody to remember, the value of your home is not predicated on what your pr that your [0:09:18, 0:09:26]: Your 100% value is you're not taxed on one hundred percent, you're taxed on forty percent of the value of your house. So if your house is a hundred thousand dollars. [0:09:26, 0:09:31]: Forty percent of that is sixty and that forty and that's what you're tax on. [0:09:32, 0:09:40]: Um your tax on your the millage rate is applied to that. So when you apply the the three point seven seven millage rate that was adopted to that one point nine [0:09:40, 0:09:41]: It would genera. [0:09:41, 0:09:56]: generate a revenue of seven point one million dollars. Um, unlike last year when you applied that same millage rate to the one point eight billion, it gave you a six point eight billion. So that's just over three hundred thousand dollar difference between last year and this year. [0:09:58, 0:10:03]: So that was the four point four growth um increase in the digest. [0:10:05, 0:10:07]: So how does that look on a home? [0:10:08, 0:10:20]: That's not clear either. Um for so for a house that's valued at a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, um forty percent assessed value makes it sixty. [0:10:21, 0:10:30]: Um and because we had an increase also there's a rollback mechanism applied to it. That rollback mechanism we calculated out is right around three point six one. [0:10:31, 0:10:34]: Right. So they would pay two hundred and sixteen. [0:10:34, 0:10:39]: At the two at the present millage rate, they would pay two hundred and twenty six. [0:10:39, 0:10:47]: And if you adopted the advertised millist rate, which we would are not gonna recommend, they would pay two fifty six, two hundred and fifty six a year. [0:10:48, 0:10:50]: Is what they would pay for a house. [0:10:51, 0:10:54]: And the median houses in inside the city stubbridges right between [0:10:55, 0:11:02]: In the number between two hundred and seventy-five to three hundred. So that house assessed value would be at a hundred and ten. [0:11:03, 0:11:04]: All right. [0:11:04, 0:11:08]: Once you apply the millage rate to that, rollback would be [0:11:10, 0:11:17]: Uh three hundred and ninety-seven dollars a year in city property tax. At the three point seven, which is the current, it'll be four hundred and fourteen. [0:11:18, 0:11:22]: For house valued at four hundred thousand, cess value on that would be one hundred sixty. [0:11:23, 0:11:28]: Annual property tax rate of the rollback would be five seventy seven dollars a year. [0:11:28, 0:11:29]: At the current miller's rate. [0:11:31, 0:11:32]: First. [0:11:32, 0:11:52]: It would be six oh three um for a house of that that value a year. And so that and as we compare to some of our neighboring sisters, when we look at their tax rates, obviously everybody's looking at or has advertised an increase. Um so McDonough's at three point zero three three, Hampton is at four point five, uh Henry County I think it's at twelve. [0:11:52, 0:11:55]: twelve and they're talking about increasing theirs. [0:11:58, 0:12:02]: And this just gives you an example of typical house, those values. [0:12:02, 0:12:12]: And for the most part those values, when I look at them from last year to this year, roughly gone up about six thousand in some cases. In some cases it's gone up a little bit more. [0:12:12, 0:12:20]: Um but overall our digest is on up only four percent. So that house under the current and current rate, remember two hundred and twenty-six a year. [0:12:21, 0:12:22]: Eighteen dollars a month. [0:12:22, 0:12:27]: Um if you just apply one of the millis rate examples options we give, which is four point one five. [0:12:28, 0:12:37]: They would go to four hundred and two hundred and forty nine dollars versus two hundred and twenty-six dollars. A house valued at two hundred and thirty-four, and these are exact numbers for those houses. [0:12:38, 0:12:40]: Um their current would be three fifty seven a year. [0:12:41, 0:12:42]: Or twenty nine dollars a month. [0:12:42, 0:12:44]: At one of the options. [0:12:44, 0:12:48]: The middle option of four point one five, it would be three hundred and eighty eight. [0:12:48, 0:12:50]: per year or thirty two a month. [0:12:52, 0:12:55]: Another house valued at two hundred and eighty one six. [0:12:55, 0:13:00]: Would see uh Miller's rate at three point seven seven of two hundred nine dollars. [0:13:00, 0:13:03]: Um seventeen forty four a month. [0:13:03, 0:13:23]: And at the one point one five four point one five, four hundred and sixty-one. And the caveat, that's my old house. Um so the other house at three hundred and eighty one um would be five hundred and seventy-four seven fifty-five per year at three point seven seven or forty seven um [0:13:23, 0:13:25]: Yeah. [0:13:25, 0:13:26]: Um [0:13:26, 0:13:32]: And it the four point one five would be six hundred and thirty two a year or fifty two dollars a month. [0:13:32, 0:13:34]: Yes, sir. Mayor that that [0:13:35, 0:13:55]: Look at that figure for two eighty one. That seems uh dramatic difference between the two oh nine and four sixty seven. You only going up um to uh four fifteen. Looks like that might that figure might be incorrect. Yeah, hold on. I'll make sure. I might have done some [0:13:55, 0:13:56]: Crazy mass. [0:13:58, 0:14:02]: A higher price home you only went up three eighty one. [0:14:04, 0:14:18]: Time set by forty. Okay. Time set by point zero zero three seven. Yeah, that's five hundred and forty-seven and uh two hundred and eighty one. [0:14:19, 0:14:22]: Six, two eighty one, six. [0:14:23, 0:14:24]: Times forty percent. [0:14:26, 0:14:29]: Times point zero zero three seven seven. [0:14:30, 0:14:45]: Yep, oh I'm sorry, that number's incorrect. So that number would be four twenty four hundred and twenty four dollars. I'm sorry. So that'd be four hundred and twenty four dollars um for the house that I lead at two hundred and eighty one. What's what's the current rate at three point seven seven dollars? So one of those guys. [0:14:45, 0:15:02]: So that's what that's what the current rate is. So if you apply the miller's rate now at that at that house, that's what they will pay. It'd be four hundred and twenty four dollars and sixty five cents a year. Right. So the two oh nine was wrong. Okay. Yep. The the one for two for two eighty one is cor incorrect. The two oh nine is wrong. Yes. Okay. [0:15:02, 0:15:04]: My apologies. [0:15:06, 0:15:06]: Continue, please. [0:15:08, 0:15:22]: And this is not clear. Um so working with our staff over the last um month or so, including our last meeting today with the police department, we came up with our general fund um preliminary numbers at right around twenty nine point [0:15:23, 0:15:26]: five uh million to run the general fund. [0:15:27, 0:15:33]: Um, with our revenues, if you go to the rollback, that revenue would be two hundred and two twenty two million. [0:15:34, 0:15:46]: twenty two point one million, which is roughly about a three hundred excuse me, uh three hundred thousand dollar difference between where we would be, um at option number [0:15:46, 0:15:47]: Two [0:15:47, 0:16:07]: Um when you apply the millage rate at 3.77, that gives us roughly a break-even with a little bit overage, a little bit of break in break-even. Everything above that, obviously at the four four mils would give us an excess of four hundred thousand and a uh average uh [0:16:07, 0:16:27]: Miller's rate of 3.15 would be 724,000 above, and a millage rate at 4.25 would give us give us 915,000 above revenues to expenses. So with that, obviously the clear picture of breaking is break-even would be option number two, would be the remillage rate, which is key. [0:16:27, 0:16:44]: keeping the millage rate what it is right now. And that would be the staff recommendation based on what we've got to date. We don't anticipate anything going up. We do anticipate doing a little bit more of a cutting if we can. Um but for the most part, that's what it's gonna look like for us in running the budget. And so with that [0:16:44, 0:16:51]: We'll move forward, but that's gonna be our recommendation uh probably at our third meeting would be to keep the millers right while that what it is. [0:16:52, 0:16:53]: Okay. [0:16:53, 0:16:57]: So when you talk about who takes your dollar, so if you take a tax dollar [0:16:58, 0:17:03]: a dollar of your taxes and you had to divide it up against all the taxing entities that that are out there in the county. [0:17:04, 0:17:05]: Your school board. [0:17:05, 0:17:18]: Uh, their current twenty three point six mills, three of that being bonds that they float um for schools. So their millage rate is twenty plus the three for the bonds. They're right at fifty nine cents of your dollar goes to the school board. [0:17:19, 0:17:21]: Fifty nine cents out of every dollar you pay. [0:17:22, 0:17:22]: About [0:17:23, 0:17:28]: Twenty six cents out of every dollar you pay goes to Henry County. [0:17:29, 0:17:33]: Um at three point seven seven, you're looking at eleven cents. [0:17:33, 0:17:34]: On a dollar. [0:17:34, 0:17:38]: And right now most of us, whether we on city water. [0:17:38, 0:17:39]: Or on [0:17:40, 0:17:41]: Henry County Water Authority Water. [0:17:42, 0:17:45]: And less for those folks who live in certain parts of the county that's on Clayton County. [0:17:45, 0:17:49]: They won't see this, but I think this mill they do see it. This mill is raid. [0:17:50, 0:17:55]: is applied for Henry County Water Authority at two Mills, and it's been there for a number of years. [0:17:55, 0:18:04]: And my understanding that it's slated to go away in a few years, but it's still there. You pay that to the Water Authority, regardless of whether or not you live, utilize [0:18:04, 0:18:06]: If you utilize their water or not. [0:18:06, 0:18:10]: Every resident and if you're on Clayton County water and you live on [0:18:10, 0:18:14]: Valley Hill Road and you're in Cleeton County, you're still paying that two mils to Henry County. [0:18:15, 0:18:15]: Right. [0:18:16, 0:18:28]: Um, so that's pretty much who gets your money. Um when you talk about from a dollar standpoint in cents, who gets it? City around eleven cents, Water Authority about five cents off of that, Henry County about twenty six cents, and the school board fifty nine. [0:18:30, 0:18:32]: Uh moving forward. [0:18:32, 0:18:52]: Obviously, next step in the process is we will have two more millage rate meetings as required by law. Um council is expected to adopt the millage rate at our third meeting, regardless of what I mean what that millage rate may be. They're required to adopt it. Um and that could be anywhere from the rollback all the way up to 4.2, but the staff. [0:18:52, 0:19:00]: As obviously, as you can see from the slides. And we will make this slide available online after tonight's meeting, so you guys can go through it if you want to. [0:19:00, 0:19:03]: Um be available, so we're required to. [0:19:03, 0:19:16]: There's also um this will apply once adopted, the millage rate, the new millage rate, whether it stays the same or not, well you'll start to see that in your tax when you get your tax bill if you're on escrow. I mean b tax bill goes out in October or November. [0:19:17, 0:19:29]: August. So yeah. So some of us get ours in October, November, December. Some folks are who own their homes outright tend to pay a little payoff. Um but you'll see that process between October and December of this year. [0:19:29, 0:19:32]: There will be a b an initiative on the ballot. [0:19:32, 0:19:35]: Um for all Stockbridge residents. [0:19:35, 0:19:55]: And they will be whether or not you want to accept homestead exemption for your city taxes. As a homeowner, you already have exemptions. If you haven't applied, please do. Um, but you're allowed to exempt have exemptions from your um county taxes. It's a separate process um because we're accept a sep a separate taxing entity. [0:19:55, 0:20:05]: So you have to apply with us to get that exemption. So that exemption will be on the ballot. And as far as I know, in the state of Georgia, no homestead exemption ballot initiative has failed. [0:20:06, 0:20:26]: That's not to date. Um, and so that'll go and take into effect um starting 2025, you will get those that re exemption off your city property tax if you apply. And it's weighted for regular homeowners as well as for those homeowners that are 62 and above, as well as those homeowners who are on septic. [0:20:26, 0:20:27]: То [0:20:28, 0:20:29]: You will be able to get an exemption. [0:20:30, 0:20:31]: Um [0:20:31, 0:20:33]: So that application, um [0:20:35, 0:20:40]: Like I said, will be separate from when you apply for Henry County. You will have to apply for your homestead exemption here at City Hall. [0:20:41, 0:20:45]: Um we will be ready and available at the end of the year. [0:20:45, 0:20:54]: Once it's passed to go live with the application. So you can come to City Hall or staff will be able to email it. You can send it back to us and we will get those exemptions processed. [0:20:56, 0:21:16]: Okay, Ms. Garner, I appreciate the presentation. Um obviously uh last year was the first time uh that uh we had to set a millage like this to set a millage rate. So obviously this is a reoccurrent. Now that we're in this this is a reoccurrent effect that has ha has to happen every each and every year. We'll have to go through this whole process. It depends. Excuse me? It depends. [0:21:16, 0:21:25]: So if if if there is a significant increase in your digest, um, and kind of give you an example, so [0:21:25, 0:21:28]: We grew by four point four, Hampton grew by twelve. [0:21:29, 0:21:49]: Right, which is kind of crazy. Right. I don't know what's going on in Hampton, but that twelve percent increase in their digress. Um, if that meets if you know, as you work your budget, like I said, and you fac factor in those numbers, you might be able to go to the rollback. And if you go to the rollback, then there is no advertisement because you keep everything technically with [0:21:49, 0:21:54]: What you bring in is what you're gonna bring in the next year, it's considered even, so you don't have to go through this process at all. [0:21:55, 0:21:59]: All right. But for most communities if you have an increase in your digest or the miller's rate. [0:21:59, 0:22:04]: you're required to advertise for an increase if you're gonna hold on to the same elevator go above it. [0:22:04, 0:22:15]: Okay, you have we have a Henry County Task Commissioner represented here this evening. So I did not wanna know if you wanted to introduce her if she needed to come to the podium and make any comments at all, if it's necessary. [0:22:16, 0:22:28]: Mayor. Yeah, well stand by. If they have any questions, she's here to answer. All right, good deal. All right. Yes, yes, sir. If I may. Yes sir, go write it, please. Mrs. Alexander, you'll be next. [0:22:30, 0:22:34]: I want to read a statement into the record. [0:22:35, 0:22:38]: Based on a a notice. [0:22:39, 0:22:40]: To the Henry Harrell. [0:22:42, 0:22:45]: To the citizens of Stockbridge. [0:22:46, 0:22:49]: I councilman Alfonso Thomas [0:22:50, 0:23:00]: have not been involved in any meetings, discussions, or a city council consensus. [0:23:01, 0:23:07]: to tentatively adopt or approve a millage increase. [0:23:09, 0:23:17]: I only read this notice for the first time for an increase online at the Henry Hare a week or so ago. [0:23:19, 0:23:22]: I am not in favor of an increase. [0:23:23, 0:23:27]: I personally need a thorough review. [0:23:28, 0:23:29]: Of the city's budget. [0:23:30, 0:23:34]: complete with regards to every detail [0:23:34, 0:23:38]: and department concerns. Therefore, [0:23:39, 0:23:41]: I will not support [0:23:41, 0:23:51]: I'll vote for a millage increase until this budget review and process is completed. Thank you. [0:23:51, 0:24:02]: All right. Mrs. Alexander, go ahead, please. Yes, uh, thank you so much. Um, Mr. Gardner, you had indicated that the recommendation is going to be uh to leave the military unchanged. [0:24:04, 0:24:24]: Yes, sir. And that uh legally, um, so everybody understands last year uh the rate that we advertised was four point one two five, and we actually chose to set it at three point seven seven. And this uh in this year the rate advertised was four. [0:24:24, 0:24:32]: But again, we the recommendation is to opt for 3.77. Is that correct? [0:24:32, 0:24:33]: Yes, sir. [0:24:33, 0:24:53]: Now in the discussion and I think I made this in my motion when I made the motion for 3.77 was we knew at that time we were not gonna have uh any exemptions available during the first year or two. Is that correct? Yes, sir. So what I think I I did say during that time was [0:24:53, 0:25:13]: We're gonna set the rate at the lowest rate possible to finance the budget so that we could turn, in turn, basically give everybody the exemptions up front. Those that setting it at 3.77 instead of 4.125 finance the budget, but basically it it was the equivalent. [0:25:13, 0:25:33]: Of giving everybody the exemptions up front because we knew legally we were not going to be able to have those exemptions in the first two years. But as you indicated, we had legislation passed, and the homeowners that are here today will be able to vote yay or nay on a homestead exemption. [0:25:33, 0:25:45]: exemption going forward, is that correct? Yes, sir. Okay. Um and certainly uh we have a representative from the Henry County uh tax commissioner's office here, correct? [0:25:45, 0:25:47]: Yes, sir. Uh ma'am, would you come to the podium, please? [0:25:57, 0:26:17]: Thank you so much. Sure. And your name? Lynn Cardi, Deputy Tax Commissioner. Deputy Tax Commissioner, thank you for coming to here tonight. I think one of the things that's always very helpful to this total discussion is to go into an explanation of Henry County is one of the only counties, uh one of the [0:26:17, 0:26:37]: few counties in the state of Georgia that actually has a frozen exemption, which basically, if you bought your house in 2004 or 2007, whatever it is, your tax rate is based on if you have an exemption, will be at the year and frozen at that rate on a yearly basis. That has saved taxpayers [0:26:37, 0:26:57]: thousands of dollars here in Henry County, even though the rate has increased. Could you kind of explain that to uh the cons the the the public so they understand that there are some significant savings that have already been achieved through the fact that this frozen exemption, which I really didn't understand until previously, [0:26:57, 0:27:12]: that I'm paying the same rate as when I purchased my home in 2004 now. But a new homeowner that came in and they purchased my home would then be retro to the price that they purchased it at this year. [0:27:12, 0:27:26]: Correct. The frozen exemption uh went through legislation back in two thousand and four and it took place in two thousand and five. Um, if you at that point in time, if you owned your home at that point, you were frozen at the two thousand and four, like you had said. [0:27:26, 0:27:28]: Um anyone coming forward? [0:27:28, 0:27:34]: Um, it is frozen from the year prior. So if I was to purchase a new home in two thousand and twenty. [0:27:34, 0:27:38]: It's frozen at the r and pl applied for exemption for two thousand and twenty. [0:27:39, 0:27:42]: then the exemption is frozen based off the two thousand nineteen tax year. [0:27:44, 0:28:04]: Absolutely. That is something that some most folks don't know that the r millage rate hasn't been um has been at twelve point seven three three now for uh maybe seven or eight years I think on the county level and we just recently uh implemented the the city tax that we uh have here uh as the city. So there's been [0:28:04, 0:28:24]: Some significance in where we were. And as the city manager has indicated, some 60% of the overall tax digest goes to the school board. Is that correct? Or somewhere around there? And then Mr. Gardner indicated what 26% or so goes toward the county's tax. [0:28:23, 0:28:33]: Digest. It should be noted here today. I love seeing public participation. Thank you all for coming out. [0:28:33, 0:28:41]: But the school board represents 60% of your tax revenue. You know how many people showed up to their meeting last year? Three. I was one of them. [0:28:42, 0:28:45]: You know how many people showed up to the counties? [0:28:45, 0:28:46]: Very few. [0:28:46, 0:28:48]: This room is packed. [0:28:48, 0:28:49]: Right. [0:28:49, 0:29:09]: You should do the same thing for those meetings where 60% of your money is coming, and also where 26% of your money is coming, as opposed to where 11% is coming, and the recommendation is to leave the rate unchanged. But see what happens is through what we see on social media, through next door. [0:29:09, 0:29:20]: in these various channels, a lot of misinformation has been placed out there that this is where you ought to be when no one is talking about where 60% of your money is going. [0:29:22, 0:29:26]: Also, you should understand that the county budget was already passed. [0:29:28, 0:29:48]: The budget that was passed on their side is going to require a millage rate increase in order to pay for it. It's already been passed. So, in order to pay for the budget that they passed, requires a mileage rate increase. Now, what you should understand is that instead of you should be in this room, but you should also be in [0:29:48, 0:30:02]: those rooms where the majority of your money is coming to. And somebody needs to tell you that because we get the same result every year where everybody comes to this meeting and then the meeting where my school board text and I'm going to close this. [0:30:03, 0:30:04]: My total tax is [0:30:05, 0:30:07]: Fifty two hundred dollars this year. [0:30:07, 0:30:13]: I'm paying thirty four hundred dollars to the school board and I'm paying about six hundred to the city. [0:30:14, 0:30:34]: I went to that meeting where my thirty four hundred dollars was at and my twelve hundred dollars was at because I knew I was gonna be at this meeting and I voted for the lowest rate possible at 3.77 so that I could set this rate. Because I have to write a check too in order to pay this. But understand the facts. And when you're getting the facts, [0:30:34, 0:30:36]: I need this representation. [0:30:37, 0:30:45]: The county's having their meetings this month. Do you know when the county meetings are, ma'am, or d do you know? The county is having their meeting on the thirtieth at one o'clock. [0:30:45, 0:30:57]: Okay. So certainly we need to make sure that we have this type of representation and that room needs to be packed because there's literally and the school board is having theirs too right now, correct? This j in July? [0:30:58, 0:31:12]: Yes, sir. They they will actually vote for their millage rate on next Monday at four thirty. Next Monday at four thirty, where sixty percent of your money is going. You should be in that room also. So I'm gonna conclude my remarks. Thank you. [0:31:12, 0:31:14]: Anybody else in the council any comments at this point? [0:31:17, 0:31:18]: Anybody else to council? [0:31:18, 0:31:38]: All right. So this is a public uh public hearing. So ladies and gentlemen, you'll have an opportunity to to uh voice your opinion. And so uh right now the recommendation is three point seven seven to keep it as as it has been for the last year. Obviously we will not uh vote on that until the third uh hearing and that actually is set for the twenty [0:31:38, 0:31:41]: twenty second of July. But uh [0:31:41, 0:31:55]: It's a public hearing, so you get an opportunity to speak. So anybody that's that's that's say four, four to for us to keep the um let's l for to keep the three point seven seven, right? If your comments if you wanna make comments on that, you line up on this side. Anybody up from my far left? [0:31:55, 0:32:06]: If you want to make any comments for to keep it to keep it as is. If you it's on this far left side and leave free line up. Anybody in the middle, if you have any comments, I'm gonna we can line up on the left side of on my left side over here as well. [0:32:07, 0:32:08]: Anybody on the right? [0:32:09, 0:32:10]: In comments four. If you want [0:32:11, 0:32:26]: Yeah, yeah, for keeping the same. That's right. For keep it the same. I mean I just w just want to hear you out. I just uh first before you come, I just wanna make sure anybody wants to speak, they'll line up so we know how many people are coming and you speak. So you're right now I have only one gentleman who wants to speak for. [0:32:26, 0:32:26]: All right. [0:32:27, 0:32:38]: Uh do you want to speak come stand up please, ma'am. If you want uh don't come not just yet, sir. One second. I just wanna make sure'cause sometimes uh folks change their mind and halfway through this, uh I just wanna make sure I got folks up [0:32:38, 0:32:39]: That wanna speak. [0:32:39, 0:32:40]: All right. [0:32:40, 0:32:54]: So right now I have three folks. Okay. Now, what's gonna happen is you I want you to come to the podium, give your name and address, and you get your time. Well, we got a clock going, but um the ten minutes total, but we we'll see how long it takes and make your comments and we'll go from there. All right, sir, please. To the mic? [0:32:55, 0:32:57]: Ms. Four. Give your name and address, please. [0:32:58, 0:33:08]: Good evening everyone. Even my name is Juan Martin. Address is six two four Armitage Way. I'm in the North Bridge Crossing Subdivision. [0:33:08, 0:33:10]: Um as we know [0:33:11, 0:33:13]: Most of us if you look around the room [0:33:13, 0:33:15]: Many of us are [0:33:15, 0:33:19]: Сенірсин, мені в вас on fixed incomes. [0:33:20, 0:33:21]: Um [0:33:21, 0:33:24]: I do have a video that I wanted to play, but I won't [0:33:25, 0:33:36]: uh suffer you that unless you allow it. But it's just uh something about the tax increases are rampant over the country. There's one particular case of a guy in Chicago [0:33:37, 0:33:40]: Геда хом на фіфті сквар фіт. [0:33:42, 0:33:54]: His tax rate uh um um his evaluation of his home went from 180,000 to 1 million dollars. [0:33:55, 0:34:05]: I have the video right here. His tax rate would go from eighteen hundred dollars a year to over thirty thousand dollars a year. [0:34:05, 0:34:07]: Of course this was a mistake. [0:34:08, 0:34:08]: And [0:34:08, 0:34:11]: They are still aпіel, a pier, appeal. [0:34:11, 0:34:18]: But the appeal has gone on so long he's had to go and live with relatives. He can't make the payments. [0:34:19, 0:34:19]: Um [0:34:20, 0:34:33]: This is just ridiculous. Well appreciate appreciate the explanation, sir. But obviously you said this isn't Chicago and you had a test. But one thing I have noticed and one thing I do believe a lot of times when [0:34:34, 0:34:36]: uh governments see [0:34:37, 0:34:40]: Certain practices successful in one part of the country. [0:34:41, 0:34:44]: Somehow it gravitates to other parts of the country. [0:34:44, 0:34:48]: They could see, you know, that's just been my observation. [0:34:49, 0:34:52]: But I just want to say that uh it's just it [0:34:53, 0:34:55]: We people cannot afford it. [0:34:55, 0:34:59]: Okay, appreciate you. Appreciate your comments. Thank you. Next person please. [0:35:00, 0:35:06]: All right folks, calm please calm down. Name and address, please. [0:35:06, 0:35:11]: Uh good evening and thank you for this opportunity to speak. My name is Eugenia Brown. [0:35:11, 0:35:16]: One six eight Addy Lane, North Bridge Crossing Subdivision. Okay. [0:35:16, 0:35:36]: Um, I just wanted to share some of my thoughts and concerns regarding not just the millage rate, but also the appraisals of the properties. Um, as everyone knows, a lot of these um home values are um overinflated, and that's [0:35:36, 0:35:37]: Resulting from [0:35:37, 0:35:53]: post-pandemic where we had people moving, relocating because they could work remote, East Coast folks, West Coast Coast folks coming in and just buying up properties, offering up to 40 grand over asking. [0:35:54, 0:35:59]: So between that happening with everyone wanting to spread out as a result of covet. [0:36:00, 0:36:06]: Um then we have these hedge fund backed investment companies, which as everyone knows. [0:36:07, 0:36:08]: They've gotten [0:36:08, 0:36:10]: Твозенс о проперті з не метро. [0:36:11, 0:36:12]: Atlanta area. [0:36:13, 0:36:18]: They've purchased these properties from people wanting to get out, seeing an opportunity to make some good money. [0:36:19, 0:36:23]: Де пайда ладома нефорідовірні пропадіс анден ескалати. [0:36:23, 0:36:25]: the value and the price. [0:36:26, 0:36:32]: As a result, in my opinion, in my thoughts, is the appraisals appraisals. [0:36:33, 0:36:34]: Or [0:36:34, 0:36:37]: based on some very inflated home values. [0:36:38, 0:36:44]: Now I think that has to be taken into consideration as well with the millage rates. [0:36:44, 0:36:46]: As the gentleman stated [0:36:47, 0:36:51]: There's lots of retirees. I'm not there yet, hopefully in the next year and a half. [0:36:52, 0:36:53]: on fixed incomes. [0:36:54, 0:36:58]: Ви в ган летс фронтом а моргич холдers. [0:36:58, 0:37:01]: Your t twenty two hundred thousand dollars. [0:37:01, 0:37:05]: Тwеті2 шорни. [0:37:06, 0:37:07]: taxes and insurances. [0:37:08, 0:37:08]: Yeah. [0:37:09, 0:37:12]: Моргes are not going to be tenable at this rate. [0:37:12, 0:37:14]: Folks on fixed incomes, [0:37:14, 0:37:15]: You can't go to [0:37:16, 0:37:19]: Соціаль секерісай, а не мормані. Ми такси в гонку. [0:37:20, 0:37:26]: Those of us still working can't go to our employers say, Hey, hey, I got a big tax increase coming. I need some more money. [0:37:27, 0:37:30]: So we're gonna run into a potential [0:37:30, 0:37:30]: Bubble. [0:37:31, 0:37:31]: Where [0:37:32, 0:37:35]: Folks are just gonna have to sell because they can't afford to stay in their homes. [0:37:36, 0:37:37]: And then when that happens [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: We already know. [0:37:39, 0:37:41]: We have the investors will come in. [0:37:41, 0:37:42]: Snatch up the properties. [0:37:43, 0:37:44]: And turn them into [0:37:45, 0:37:48]: Very expensive rentals, which is happening. [0:37:49, 0:37:52]: And then those that they do sell again overpriced. [0:37:53, 0:37:56]: The benefit to the county in that respect is. [0:37:56, 0:38:04]: They can't file homestead exemption, and you get more tax dollars from the investors. So I would just like to say. [0:38:05, 0:38:18]: There's more to it than just the millage rate, there's actually the home values and the comps that have been used with these values that we're now having to pay the escalated taxes on. [0:38:18, 0:38:23]: Uh thank you for your comment. Thank you for your time. No, no problem. Thank you. Okay. [0:38:27, 0:38:47]: Uh all right folks. You're I read the I read the reading about the public hearing, but you're not supposed to be clapping in this nature, but go ahead. Please, your name and address, please. Uh good afternoon. My name is Laretha Martin. My husband just spoke, so he said some things that already that would that that uh that I feel and uh and and I'll and [0:38:47, 0:38:53]: Mm, the lady that just got up to speak, she says some of the things, but I'm speaking as a senior citizen. [0:38:54, 0:39:01]: I am a senior citizen and everything is going up. When I moved here [0:39:01, 0:39:11]: My water bill was lower. My double water bill has almost tripled since I moved since since 2019. [0:39:12, 0:39:32]: Everything is going up. And I noticed that the next meeting is at ten o'clock in the morning. Most people that working people they can't attend the meet this this meeting to oppose or agree. And social security, so she just spoke about social security. Social security [0:39:32, 0:39:48]: they raise your social security just to get some of the money back. So as senior citizens, we give and we have given as seem like it's taken back. And that's what I w all that's all I have to say. I just do not agree with the increase. [0:39:49, 0:40:06]: At all. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. And uh just one let me make you note that we're recommendation is the three point seven seven, which is just the same. There's no increase thus far. Um and we haven't agreed to that, but uh uh we'll make a final decision on july twenty second. Yes ma'am, please. You next name and address, please. [0:40:09, 0:40:16]: My name is Karen Charmain. I live at 110 Creek Circle, Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:40:17, 0:40:23]: I am a citizen of Stockbridge, have lived in this community. You could throw a rock and hit my house from here. [0:40:24, 0:40:30]: I have lived here. I have voted probably for every one of you at one time or another. [0:40:31, 0:40:38]: I want to thank you, Mayor, Council members, and citizens of Stockbridge that are here tonight. [0:40:39, 0:40:47]: I disagree with the millage rate. You can say that it's not anything to do with taxes, but it definitely equates to a tax increase. [0:40:48, 0:40:49]: Now. [0:40:50, 0:40:55]: Further, I think you all should tighten your belt and sharpen your pencils. [0:40:57, 0:41:06]: Senior citizens are a big concern. I'm not gonna say I'm old, but I'm older. And at least two people on this council. [0:41:06, 0:41:08]: Or senior citizens. [0:41:08, 0:41:10]: And those of us that work [0:41:11, 0:41:12]: Or don't work. [0:41:12, 0:41:32]: Ten o'clock in the morning is not a great time for the meetings. And I just have understood from Miss Holliday that those are set by the county. And yes, ma'am, the county needs to change their time too. Because one o'clock in the afternoon. Excuse me, ma'am. She can hear you. Dress me. One one o'clock in the afternoon is two [0:41:32, 0:41:41]: Is is too is is too inconvenient for most people. So I'm asking to strongly consider changing those times. [0:41:43, 0:41:53]: This is not good. We have never had taxes in Stockbridge until last year, and there is frivolous spending in this city. [0:41:54, 0:42:06]: It needs to be checked and put in check. And I remind you respectfully right now, the City of Stockbridge organizational chart says that the city citizens [0:42:06, 0:42:13]: are at the top of that. We voted you in to represent our concerns. [0:42:14, 0:42:20]: We did. So what that really means is you work for us, not the other way around. [0:42:21, 0:42:22]: Thank you for your comments. [0:42:24, 0:42:28]: All right, folks. Next next individual, please. Name and address. [0:42:36, 0:42:38]: In an address, please. [0:42:40, 0:42:42]: Hello everybody. [0:42:42, 0:42:45]: How you doing? My name is Claire Kellum. [0:42:46, 0:42:50]: I live at two hundred forty two Hunting Court in Jonesboro. [0:42:50, 0:42:52]: Spiver Ridge Sub Division. [0:42:53, 0:42:54]: Aye. [0:42:55, 0:42:58]: Like the most of the people, I am a citizen. [0:42:59, 0:43:06]: Can we a senior citizen. Council we're gonna stand this time, is that correct? [0:43:07, 0:43:08]: Okay. All right. Please stand the time. [0:43:09, 0:43:12]: I don't work. I'm almost eighty years old. [0:43:13, 0:43:23]: I'm a single woman. My taxes went up last year, four hundred and some dollars. It went up. And now I'm talking about going up again this year. [0:43:25, 0:43:32]: I'm against that because where are we supposed to get money from when we only get a little money every month? [0:43:34, 0:43:37]: Where are we supposed to get money to pay all of this taxes that? [0:43:38, 0:43:38]: You know. [0:43:39, 0:43:45]: Keep the property tax from I mean the houses from going up. We're not selling, we just living there. [0:43:45, 0:43:47]: We're not getting anything out of it. [0:43:48, 0:43:49]: We just live there. [0:43:50, 0:43:53]: So stop raising the house values up. [0:43:54, 0:43:58]: Talk my house is worth this much and that much. It ain't worth nothing'cause we ain't getting nothing. [0:43:59, 0:44:04]: So I'm not for this hier increase because I'm a single woman. [0:44:04, 0:44:11]: And I have a fixed income and I'm almost eighty years old in case anybody [0:44:12, 0:44:13]: Won't and no. [0:44:15, 0:44:16]: By myself. [0:44:18, 0:44:20]: You understand with a fixed income. [0:44:22, 0:44:23]: And that's the truth. [0:44:24, 0:44:26]: Okay, thank you for your comments. [0:44:28, 0:44:48]: All right, all right, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Now let me let originally want to open this up, I said the four comments for. I didn't say comments against, I said comments for. That's what we're supposed to do. Comments for. But the real I will open it up for comments against if there's still someone that wants to uh have any uh negative comments against this uh of the recommendation three point seven seven, which is the current rate that [0:44:48, 0:45:03]: at this point. And once this if there's no one up for besides this lady here, then I'm gonna go through a list of things. I'm gonna get a couple folks up here and we'll see what we can do to answer some questions and then I'll open it up once again for comments that are that are actually uh against this, if there are any. Ma'am, please. [0:45:05, 0:45:06]: Name and address, please. [0:45:08, 0:45:11]: Yes, Sharon Nelson, one seven six, Spivey Ridge Circle. [0:45:13, 0:45:14]: Wait, please. [0:45:14, 0:45:27]: And uh I am skeptical of the tax increase uh because of how the hold annexation worked. When we were annexed into um Stockbridge, um [0:45:27, 0:45:42]: We received that city's tax, that extra city stockbridge tax, and there was no way to get an exemption for that tax. Um and I as it was explained for the t first two years, there's no way that you could um [0:45:43, 0:45:49]: apply for any kind of exemption, which was unfair and I don't think it was really explained in that manner. [0:45:50, 0:46:10]: Um I think that I know this was uh something that was passed, that annexation was passed, and uh but I don't think that these um intricate details and these nuances were explained because my understanding is that the city of Stockbridge already has a process for exemption. [0:46:09, 0:46:29]: Then immediately you would be able to apply for those exemptions. Okay, I'll go ahead and vote for this annexation, but like I applied for exemption through Henry County, at the same time I should be able to apply for exemption through Stockbridge County. But that was not the case. And as I understand [0:46:29, 0:46:45]: this evening that there is an initiative to whether you even want to accept exemption. Well, like most people say we're senior citizens, of course we want the exemption. So why should that be an initiative in a boat and something else that [0:46:46, 0:47:06]: People may not really fully understand, and it doesn't pass, and that small that portion for the city of Stockbridge that you may not even be able to apply for exemption. So these things that occurred as of this annexation and not being explained, senior citizens. [0:47:06, 0:47:15]: live on these exemptions. And when you get a tax bill that says City of Stockbridge and there's an extra charge there, you haven't put that in your budget. [0:47:15, 0:47:21]: for this extra charge. You didn't even really understand that you couldn't even file for exemption for that. [0:47:21, 0:47:30]: And that was an increase, and so to me that was that was misleading or not really explained in a way where everybody understood. [0:47:30, 0:47:50]: So that's why I'm a little skeptical of the tax increase of how this whole annexation worked and how it wasn't explained. And for two years people had to try to come up with money for this city of Stockbridge tax that was added on top of the county um tax. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Uh Mr. Gardner. [0:47:50, 0:48:10]: I need you back to the podium and come back to the podium, Mr. Gardner. Okay, and so and uh I f I'm sorry, I forgot her name. Yep, yeah, I need you to come back to the podium, please. And f I will tell you folks for transparency sake, uh is already done at least the two of us are senior citizens. I'm one of those. I'm a senior citizen, I can get my social security now. [0:48:10, 0:48:30]: So I'm happy about that as well. And uh I put him on Front Street, but the senior individual council is Mr. Thomas. He's a little older than I am. So you're right. There's two of us that are senior citizens. So I understand that point in this aspect, but I also happen to have been blessed enough to have a retirement and from the military. So yeah, anyway. [0:48:30, 0:48:50]: took a couple notes of some things. I need for you some clarification on this part. Uh first of all, uh appraisals. I don't think we have much to do with appraisals all at the city level. Any type of appraisals are all. We don't control that. No sir. Can you expand on that at all? Yes, sir. So all properties in Henry County and most counties are conducted by the county appraiser. [0:48:50, 0:48:59]: Um that individual is charged with appraising all real property in the county, whether you're city or unincorporated county, and based on [0:49:00, 0:49:05]: Uh a number of factors to include sale prices and some other things that happen within the area. [0:49:05, 0:49:07]: They are able to determine [0:49:07, 0:49:14]: um property values based on that and b and then from that they create the digest that covers all properties. [0:49:14, 0:49:24]: and you apply the millage rate the forty percent rule and in the millage rate to that. But no the cities have no control over the tax appraiser. That is a separate individual of the county. [0:49:24, 0:49:30]: Um that does that job on behalf of all of the cities in Henry County as well as unincorporated Henry County government. [0:49:31, 0:49:51]: Okay. These uh hedge c companies that buy out these homes to rental, I mean we we like we're not f we don't we particularly care for them to to do that at all. But it's not a whole lot we can do with that. Let's do legislators through our our through our state reps or state senators maybe to get some legislation at the at the Capitol in reference to that and even dealing with mortgage rates. Uh we the city's [0:49:50, 0:50:08]: don't have much to do with the mortgage rates that I recall. No. Uh at all. I don't know if if you can expound on that at all. I just don't think we have any we have no says over that. Those are those are banks and uh banks are the controlling all that, I would imagine. So no. So companies, investment groups, whether it be [0:50:08, 0:50:13]: You know, Stockbridge City Council as an investment group decide to pool their money and buy property. [0:50:13, 0:50:17]: Obviously that's the American way and unfortunate some of it does have [0:50:17, 0:50:19]: negative consequences when companies [0:50:20, 0:50:40]: Major companies, major hedge funds with long dollars in the billions are able to buy real estate and then turn those real estate into an investment vehicle rather than a vehicle for folks like us to want to buy a home and become a homeowner. And in actual fact, they actually work to compete against homeowners. [0:50:40, 0:50:55]: is in the market when butchers and homes, which is a bad scenario because it does drive up prices. And if those prices in that area in a specific area continue to grow, that affects to some degree the values in that area, which precipitates the increase in the digest to some degree. [0:50:55, 0:50:56]: Um [0:50:56, 0:51:03]: Thank you so much. So far, you know, we haven't been hit greatly by that in the city of Stockbridge, however. [0:51:03, 0:51:07]: I will tell you that, you know, that ship has sailed it just hadn't reached it yet. [0:51:08, 0:51:14]: Um, in a major way. I mean, we do have one community that's just outside the city that's one hundred percent rental. [0:51:14, 0:51:16]: Um single family detached homes. [0:51:17, 0:51:19]: Uh that are all rental units. [0:51:19, 0:51:20]: Um [0:51:20, 0:51:24]: But it's it's hard for us to control that. That's something that obviously [0:51:24, 0:51:25]: Um [0:51:25, 0:51:45]: We have to work with our state legislators and recognize too that our state legislators did pass law. So under Georgia, we are a political subdivision of the state. So we derive all our powers to operate government from the state legislature. And some of you guys have lived in other states know this. [0:51:45, 0:51:46]: Some states have home rule. [0:51:47, 0:51:53]: Well, we could create our own laws to govern how we operate, but we're not we're not one of those states. Um [0:51:54, 0:52:14]: As it relates to the initiative, the only way to get relief in property tax is for the state to grant us the right to have a ballot initiative for the voters to vote on. Um, we are very much driven by those that type of procedure, but it is governed by state law. We have no control over that. The city just can't arbitrarily say we want own city. [0:52:14, 0:52:15]: And do it. [0:52:16, 0:52:17]: That would be in violation of the law. [0:52:18, 0:52:34]: Um, so we're required to follow those laws, which means we the the citiz the res the elected officials um sent a resolution to our state representatives. Those state representatives put a bill on the floor, that bill passes to allow for residents in the city [0:52:34, 0:52:36]: To have a homestead exemption. [0:52:36, 0:52:38]: If then you go and vote. [0:52:38, 0:52:42]: Um and vote yes, which I said it hasn't been one that's been denied. [0:52:43, 0:53:00]: So you vote yes and then that homestead exemption kicks in um in that following year. And so that's what we did. So we've had one year without and then from hopefully this year we'll have um well last year and this year, um two years, and then next year folks if approved, we'll be able to get homestead exemption relief. [0:53:01, 0:53:21]: Uh I think I answered all your questions. All right. Um so you explained the homestead exemption, so otherwise it's up to the vote. It's a powerful thing. And they must vote for that homestead exemption come uh November 5th. Uh Mayor Ford. Yes uh stem yes, sir. Um Mr. Garner is standing, uh in one of the statements [0:53:21, 0:53:27]: Um one of the citizens mentioned since the annexation [0:53:27, 0:53:30]: Ісса Дубок, а ми но. [0:53:30, 0:53:33]: The tax that you were paying to the county and then come to the city. [0:53:33, 0:53:53]: Can you can you dispel that notion that it's not a double tax? Yes, sir. So whether you were in at the time, twenty let's say it's twenty twenty-two flat number, whether you were in the city or the county, you paid um a property tax millage to Henry County for police service. [0:53:53, 0:53:56]: That was one point zero nine. [0:53:56, 0:54:04]: uh mills in the police district. So they have a police district, they have a fire district, there's a code enforcement millage. Um [0:54:04, 0:54:09]: when you came into the city, the city d pretty much took that millage that was going to the county. [0:54:10, 0:54:30]: into the city um and adjusted by another one point I think it's one point one point eight six six is what got us to one point to the three point seven seven so originally every resident was paying that one point one point nine oh four mils to Henry County for police that [0:54:29, 0:54:40]: That came into the city and so the only addition you paid was to one point eight six six that covered everything else. So it's not a little bit of a double taxation. [0:54:41, 0:55:01]: All right. Um and the w I think this clarification in reference to our next two uh hearings on this during the morning hours and these were uh obviously what I was understand is you were set by the county on these particular time frames, is is is I mean the task commissioner, obviously you all set those times, is that correct? Yes, I [0:55:01, 0:55:21]: Okay, because Mayor. Yes, yes, Mayor. It was a collaboration. What it is is the county has to be present at each one of these village rates for all of the cities in the county. And we had to coordinate schedules where they could be here and our council could be here. And um that's kind of how it was. They had already set [0:55:21, 0:55:29]: that means for the other cities and we had to fit fill in and get in basically where we could. [0:55:29, 0:55:49]: Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. And of course once again the recommendation from the staff right now is three point seven seven, which is the same as it was last year. Not to change it, not to rise it or slower it. It stays stay steady. And that will be voted on on the m uh January excuse me, July twenty second. So it's not a it's not an increase. The recommendation is not an increase. [0:55:49, 0:56:09]: Increase is a stay hold stay hold, stay on that pace uh uh percentage. Uh-da-da-da-da. Let's see here. Obviously, uh senior citizens, yes. Uh a lot of us are seniors. I've already acknowledged myself along with Mr. Thomas, are seniors ourselves in this aspect. Uh so and home prices and [0:56:08, 0:56:23]: I guess the sense of the rise of home prices. I guess uh y you can consider that good or bad, I can depend on who you are, I suppose. But Yes, sir. It it is good and bad. So for all of us as homeowners, that's our typically that's our number one asset. [0:56:23, 0:56:32]: Right, that if push come to shove, even though it's not liquid, but it's our it's our number one asset, our most expensive asset. Um [0:56:32, 0:56:35]: So I will use myself as an example. [0:56:35, 0:56:37]: Uh I bought my house in two thousand. [0:56:38, 0:56:40]: I paid a hundred and thirty six thousand for it. [0:56:40, 0:56:43]: And in twenty ten it was worth thirty two thousand dollars. [0:56:44, 0:56:50]: I couldn't get a refinance on my house because my house I was upside down under water. [0:56:50, 0:56:56]: With the recession. So my number one asset was now my number one liability, and I couldn't get rid of it. [0:56:56, 0:57:04]: If I wanted to, I would still be held to that mortgage. Even though I would have sold my house to an investor for thirty-four thousand dollars, I still had to make up the difference. [0:57:05, 0:57:11]: Um, so your house is your number one asset and obviously any asset you have, you want to see it grow. [0:57:11, 0:57:15]: But the other side of that is as your value as that value grow, [0:57:15, 0:57:18]: Obviously you pay taxes in this country and [0:57:18, 0:57:22]: that has a negative impact because it increases that that um [0:57:23, 0:57:25]: That the amount that you pay on that asset. [0:57:25, 0:57:30]: But no, I think for most of us we want to be able hopefully to retire from our three bedroom house and [0:57:31, 0:57:32]: Walk out with [0:57:32, 0:57:34]: A million dollars from a house we paid. [0:57:34, 0:57:37]: A hundred thousand foil twenty, fifty years ago. [0:57:37, 0:57:40]: Right, and that's what you typically see from the folks who move here from New York. [0:57:41, 0:57:45]: They bought their homes in the seventy and now able to sell those homes that they purchased for under a hundred. [0:57:45, 0:57:48]: For over a million, and they move down here and buy a house outright. [0:57:49, 0:57:58]: Right? Because they sat in their homes for thirty years and allowed for their value to increase over that time, that asset paid off for them. And that's what most of us would hope that it would do. [0:57:59, 0:58:19]: Um but once again it has a negative impact because as that house value, obviously the taxes applied to it makes you have to pay more. So it's kind of a dumb. I took another note here. Water bills, water bills rising, I guess and uh some of us have Henry County water, others have so i if can you further explain? So yeah, so Henry County sent a notice I think to every [0:58:19, 0:58:23]: Everybody letting them know that they were going up on their rates late last week. Um [0:58:25, 0:58:33]: I'm sorry, ma'am. Please. So Henry Henry County and No Center noticed that they were increasing their water rates and obviously [0:58:34, 0:58:54]: I hate to speak for them and uh and I probably won't, but obviously to process water is not where you just grab the water from the from a lake or stream and just put it there. There's a process to treat it, that process costs to treat. And as I think the resident said, everything is going up. And so to buy chemicals to treat, the process [0:58:54, 0:59:14]: To treat, we are seeing it across the board. And I assume that's what's particular precipitating that increase on the water rate side. It's because the cost of chemicals and the cost of to keep that process going is also everyone's bearing that that cost, regardless. [0:59:14, 0:59:21]: I I paid 89 cents for a cotton of eggs. That same cotton of eggs is almost$3. [0:59:22, 0:59:25]: All right. What changed? Chicken's still the same. [0:59:26, 0:59:30]: But that ain't that's not where the cost came in. They're factoring in transportation. [0:59:30, 0:59:38]: Right. Um they're factoring in some other things and that's what they're basing that cost to go from the eighty nine cents to three dollars and ten cents for the same twelve eggs. [0:59:38, 0:59:58]: That's not a discussion I guess uh folks the citizens need to have with the water authority themselves. Is that uh is that right? Say again? To have have some discussion with the water authority or or or call and rep on the bill, uh just call and talk to them further about to get explanation about that. Yeah. You you can call and question your bill, um just to make sure and they know [0:59:58, 1:00:18]: So that Henry County, if you're on Henry County water, and for us, you're on what they call AMI meters. So they're able to read your meter from where they are on Highway 20. They don't have to come to your house to read your meter. Okay. And in some cases, they can see anomalies in your usage. And I don't know for everyone who set it up, but you can ask their [1:00:18, 1:00:32]: call you or they'll send you a note or notice letting you know that your water usage is above or above normal and that precipitates you to go and look. So I've had the same issue. Um my son toilet broke when he was here for Christmas. He left. [1:00:33, 1:00:34]: And all of a sudden [1:00:34, 1:00:41]: I got a notification from Henry County saying my water use had gone above normal. Walked around, went up there, and sure enough, it was just [1:00:42, 1:00:43]: Turnin'. [1:00:43, 1:00:49]: Um so I had to go fix it. They will give you relief if you do have a leak. Make sure that you keep your receipt. [1:00:50, 1:00:52]: Keep your receipt and give it back to them and they will [1:00:53, 1:01:13]: credit you back um what you paid what you paid to get that leak fixed. So that's something that they can do. And they could also come out and check your meter. If you think it might be off, they will check your meters for you as well. All right. Just want to make sure here I I opened it up for four. You all can have your seat for right now if you don't mind. I went for so I actually I want to open up for anybody that gets the recommendation. [1:01:13, 1:01:25]: 3.77. Anybody's against that? All right. Anybody on my left side? Anybody on my left side is against that. They will still want to speak against the 3.77, which is a recommendation. Anybody in the middle? [1:01:26, 1:01:27]: Anybody far right? [1:01:28, 1:01:30]: That's against it. Do you want to speak, ma'am? [1:01:31, 1:01:34]: Come on up, please. Anybody else? All right, please, your name and address please. [1:01:39, 1:01:59]: Uh my name is uh Jocelyn Williams, live at 190 Banks Drive, Strutbridge, Georgia. Wanted to uh thank the council. My um comment for against is just um to thank the council, understand this is the annexation for me, and I was always in Henry County as a senior citizen trying to gather every [1:01:59, 1:02:19]: Every year my November um payments for my home. I'll just need the name of representatives that can work with me and help me on um when now that I'm in Henry County and Stockbridge, there is a requirement that I have to have um trash sanitation. So [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: So I already had a person I was using, so I'll have to cut him off on the 31st because I have to put inside of my um property tax mixed with Henry County, and that's what's making everything grow up go up. So I'm so grateful that it's staying at 377. I just want it [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: To put an opposition on record that when things go up, I just once again for me, so that I can explain to my family and the people in my community that we have to know that things are going to increase, but there are ways that we can work together. There are services, there are programs. [1:02:58, 1:03:18]: Programs that we can use as a teacher. I can teach people how to do that. But once again, my opposition is to everything is now jumbled together. Henry County from the annexation. I now have to get ready for Stockbridge. The police get ready that things have changed. [1:03:18, 1:03:38]: Over. So I would just like to get the name. I'm going to write it down and someone can work with me with my property tax. Ms. Williams, this is what it'll be from Henry County. Now Stockbridge will add this and they will add that. [1:03:38, 1:03:48]: follow the law and I thank you so much. [1:03:49, 1:03:50]: Mr. Gardner? [1:03:50, 1:04:10]: Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay. On that note then I see no other comments. So I will close the uh public hearing. All right. And we'll go through this process again with the council. You're more than welcome. This open meeting, uh, public hearing on the uh n twenty the nineteenth, which is this Friday and the twenty-second, both at ten o'clock [1:04:10, 1:04:15]: in the morning morning welcome come back if you like. On that note, I'll close the public hearing. [1:04:15, 1:04:19]: And also, um, on that note, I will ask for a motion to adjourn. [1:04:20, 1:04:21]: Is there a second? [1:04:22, 1:04:26]: Mr Mr. Berry second there. All uh all in favor, please indicate. [1:04:27, 1:04:27]: All right. [1:04:27, 1:04:29]: Okay, fantastic. We have now adjourned. [1:04:30, 1:04:31]: Thank you, ladies and God bless you all.

--- title: Special Called Meeting date: 2024-07-15 source: 2024-07-15_Special_Called_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:47, 0:01:00]: Alright ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to open up our special call meeting um dealing with SPLOS, SPLOSS 5 project list. It is uh Monday, July 15th, and I have [0:01:01, 0:01:02]: Five O seven. [0:01:06, 0:01:07]: On that note uh [0:01:08, 0:01:10]: Could we please stand for the invocation? [0:01:12, 0:01:32]: And I'll give this this evening. Lord, thank you for bringing us once again and continue to discuss the business of our city, continue to discuss the splot five, excuse me, splot six projects, things of our future, to help move our city forward. Be with us always that we make good logical decisions and with your spirit in your name, Lord. Help us always to do make the right decisions. Thank you. [0:01:32, 0:01:48]: Thank you and God bless us all. Amen. All right, uh say pledge allegiance. Pledge allegiance to flag the United States of America and to a new Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Okay. [0:01:49, 0:01:51]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:01:53, 0:01:55]: Yes, Mayor. Good evening, everyone. [0:01:56, 0:02:05]: Evening. Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Timberry. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilwoman Barber. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:02:06, 0:02:10]: Let the record replay, Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. [0:02:10, 0:02:25]: Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a uh motion to adopt the agenda, please. Mayor. Yes sir. Before we get started, uh we have this tragic incident that took place over the weekend when we had people [0:02:26, 0:02:46]: We we had the tra I'm sorry, we had this tragic incident that takes place over the weekend where people lost their life out exercising their right um uh during uh at in um it was it's just really sad situation. If we might be able to take a moment just to recognize them, that would be great. I I I'm sorry I have to admit, uh shame on me. [0:02:45, 0:02:57]: See the shooting that took place with the president and the person that lost the president. Okay, that's what you're referring to. All right. So would you want a moment of silence that you could please? Okay, we'd have a moment of silence at this point. Thank you. [0:03:05, 0:03:15]: All right, thank you, ladies and gentlemen. And uh there's no need to have violence like that in this country. No, sir. Okay, all right. So on that note uh need a motion to top the agenda, please. [0:03:16, 0:03:21]: Oh so m mister Mr. Mary, is there a second uh Miss Marby second that? [0:03:22, 0:03:25]: Ms. Barber, you second that? Thank you very much. All in favor, please indicate. [0:03:26, 0:03:33]: All right, synamic decision. All right. On that note, uh we got new business, PLOS six project list presented by Mr. Gardner. [0:03:34, 0:03:35]: Please, sir. [0:03:35, 0:03:42]: Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Uh tonight we're here to discuss uh uh Is the mic on, sir? Yes it is. I'm sorry. [0:03:45, 0:04:05]: How's that? Yeah, that's to be better. Thank you. Excellent. All right. So tonight we're here to discuss the SPLUS and SPLUS SPLUS six specifically uh program. Um over the last few months the SPLUS committee has been meeting uh around Henry County. We had a meeting here back in May uh to go over projects that were a priority. [0:04:05, 0:04:17]: to the city as well as joint potential joint projects. Uh and about two weeks two weeks ago the city, the county had another meeting at which they laid out the options. [0:04:17, 0:04:20]: uh that was before us as it relates to [0:04:20, 0:04:40]: how the splus would be distributed and the options uh out there that they were presenting to the cities. Uh it is in obviously in everybody's best interest that we get a six-year spLUS. The current SPLU that we operate under will end. And that SPLOS obviously was a five year spLUS because we couldn't come to an agreement some years ago. [0:04:40, 0:05:00]: So tonight I really just want to talk a lot about the the options that are available to us, um, the use of the 2020 census versus the 2023 numbers. Um, and then see obviously there's gonna have to be another joint meeting between the cities to finalize which of these options did we all could agree on to present. [0:05:00, 0:05:03]: and to Henry County, uh when we have the next joint meeting. [0:05:04, 0:05:05]: So [0:05:05, 0:05:07]: The county pretty much laid out [0:05:07, 0:05:24]: Uh let me do this. Let's go back to our list. As recall we revised the list. Um that number has ever been changing until we finally got a numbered narrowed down and it's just a little bit below what we have. Um but we went with the sixty million that would go to the city over the six year period. [0:05:24, 0:05:44]: And we allotted um fundings for those. So it was about thirteen million. And the the areas in red are where we kinda made the adjustments for the additional back in February, I think we were looking at forty-four and we found out that the number was undisflated and we wanted to recognize the increase in how we would w put those increase. So the numbers in red [0:05:44, 0:05:50]: are the adjusted numbers or added numbers that we put in um to the program. [0:05:51, 0:06:11]: And some of those projects we hadn't discussed earlier, but we found out later, like the wayfinding, that we can you obviously pay for that and get that project done next year, depending on how we uh address the options. Um but our total being right around sixty point six million. And this current year's PLUS and T S Plus are actually outperforming the perf [0:06:11, 0:06:18]: what the original estimates was for those. So all things being equal, we hope to continue in that in that arena. [0:06:22, 0:06:42]: So one of the issues that that we first saw with the options that the county had laid out was not just the distribution, but the use of the twenty twenty versus twenty twenty-three census. As you know, we got a referendum that annexed about sixty seven hundred new residents into the city of Stockbridge, and that started January. [0:06:42, 0:06:43]: January of twenty twenty one. [0:06:44, 0:06:50]: So the numbers that were reflected in the twenty twenty census does not account for those folks. They're still technically in the county. [0:06:51, 0:06:54]: And so that's where some of the issues came in. [0:06:54, 0:07:05]: Um originally looking at this. Obviously, and the county is going by that that distribution of population and by their numbers it's sixty-eight thirty-two. [0:07:05, 0:07:23]: Which is a little different from the lost, as you know, because we had to literally have the state come in and address some of the issues with the new population that we have in. And so our level is uh right under fourteen percent for us. So use of the twenty twenty census obviously [0:07:24, 0:07:26]: diminishes the amount that we would get. [0:07:27, 0:07:31]: But what the county has done is they've given us a list of about six options. [0:07:31, 0:07:33]: Опціон Она, вичті сі бифою. [0:07:34, 0:07:50]: is literally a distribution based on the twenty twenty census, which at the time the city of McDonough was a little bit larger than us in population. So they would get twelve point three four, we would get twelve point three one. Um we know that that number is not the same and I'll show that in a d in another um presentation. [0:07:51, 0:07:58]: And so based on that, there will be no designation of level projects. And what we mean by level projects is the county won't [0:07:58, 0:08:09]: bundle projects or grab a specific project and make that project a level one or level two, which means they go and they will bond finance in advance those monies. [0:08:09, 0:08:11]: Um to get project started right away. [0:08:12, 0:08:16]: Rather than going through the paygo, they would bond finance in lieu of. [0:08:16, 0:08:16]: Right? [0:08:17, 0:08:18]: If that happens. [0:08:19, 0:08:22]: they have to repay that money back'cause remember they're taking a loan [0:08:22, 0:08:24]: To get those money, so that means [0:08:24, 0:08:27]: that any priority level projects [0:08:27, 0:08:30]: We the cities won't see any funding. [0:08:31, 0:08:32]: Won't see any funding. [0:08:32, 0:08:38]: For over a year. So even though the splots six would start if approved by the voters in November, would start [0:08:39, 0:08:41]: April of twenty twenty five. [0:08:41, 0:08:58]: the county would collect all of those funds and repay off whatever that money's this they borrowed. And you'll see it as I pull up the other slides, what their what their options are. So in that situation, we don't collect until somewhere around 2026, in the year 2026, even though the splot starts in 2025. [0:08:58, 0:09:04]: So that's one of the issues where you see where it's gonna talk about levels, level one or level two projects. [0:09:07, 0:09:09]: So right now the county is anticipating [0:09:10, 0:09:12]: Let me make this so everybody can see it. [0:09:25, 0:09:40]: So option one, the county overall the county's anticipating about four hundred and seventy million over a six year period of displus. That would be the hundred percent collection. And the distribution would be, like I said, twelve point three one percent of stock bridge for fifty seven point eight. [0:09:40, 0:09:44]: twelve point three four to McDonough at fifty seven point nine [0:09:44, 0:10:02]: Locust Grove at three point eight for seventeen point eight million and Hampton three point five for a collection of sixteen point seven million and Henry County at sixty eight percent would collect three hundred and nineteen million six hundred. [0:10:12, 0:10:25]: So under option two, the the the Hen Henry County, they changed the percentage in terms of how much each community gets. So they went down six one percent to sixty seven percent to the city's getting thirty three percent. [0:10:27, 0:10:28]: Under the scenario, obviously. [0:10:29, 0:10:30]: We're still under the city of McDonough. [0:10:31, 0:10:33]: But we would get twelve point six. [0:10:33, 0:10:35]: For fifty nine point six. [0:10:35, 0:10:39]: McDonald get twelve point seven percent at fifty nine point eight. [0:10:39, 0:10:42]: Um locust Grove three point nine. [0:10:42, 0:10:45]: at eighteen point four milyen [0:10:46, 0:10:50]: The city of Hampton would get three point six percent at seventeen. [0:10:51, 0:10:54]: And the county would get three hundred and fourteen million. [0:10:54, 0:10:58]: But this is the caveat under level two, which is public safety. [0:10:58, 0:11:16]: And they have listed under public safety for them police, fire, animal control, and a couple of other buildings that they want to get uh moving on. So they would bond ahead of time, they would borrow that fifty one million dollars and that fifty one million dollars will have to be repaid. [0:11:16, 0:11:23]: over the first th those all collections until that money's paid off will be put towards paying off that loan. [0:11:23, 0:11:25]: Nobody would get any monies within that time period. [0:11:26, 0:11:30]: Um just the county to pay off that money so that they can get started on those level two projects. [0:11:36, 0:11:36]: Is it? [0:11:37, 0:11:37]: Yes, sir. [0:11:39, 0:11:47]: Clarity. Let's just say right now they're c they're I think they're collecting around eleven or twelve million dollars a month. [0:11:48, 0:11:58]: Uh, in terms of total overall splice one T splice splice. So technically that would be maybe about twelve. I mean, we're looking at go back to the figure again. [0:11:59, 0:12:03]: Which one? The previous chart, number two. Option two I think he's talking about. [0:12:03, 0:12:23]: Right. So if they borrowed the fifty one million dollars up front and they were collecting ten million a month, basically that's about five months that they would take off the top to repay that money. Is that what you're saying? No. It's actually longer than that. It that that that would be the look at it from a logical standpoint, but no it's [0:12:23, 0:12:24]: Um [0:12:26, 0:12:31]: And I forget how they laid it out for me, but it w it doesn't actually work like that, sir. Um [0:12:31, 0:12:41]: The time period in which they would collect would go longer than just five months because you're collecting ten million. It doesn't work like that. It'll go a little longer than that. It'll go to about a year. [0:12:41, 0:13:01]: Okay, so it at any event we're looking at maybe about twelve months. But I mean I just as in layman's term and my common sense way of thinking, if they're gonna pay the money up front and they're collecting ten to twelve million a month, it might take that long to pay it off on sure that maybe some interest or whatever to go with that. That's correct. So [0:13:01, 0:13:11]: So it'll take longer than that time period. So you're looking at, like I said, it'll be close to a year before we start collecting any funds for the city to start its PLUS programs. [0:13:11, 0:13:18]: Um so under option two they stayed with the sixty seven thirty three split. Uh hold on I'm sorry, option three. [0:13:18, 0:13:22]: Um they went to a sixty six thirty four split. [0:13:22, 0:13:31]: But in this case they have a level one project and a level and level two projects. That level one project is the tag office in the city of Locust Grove. [0:13:32, 0:13:42]: Um, that they would bond finance ahead of time and I'll show you all that um breakout. So that total jumps from fifty one million to eighty five million that they would take off the top. [0:13:43, 0:13:49]: All funds collected would go to repaying that. Once that is paid off, then everybody will start getting their distributed funds. [0:13:49, 0:13:53]: But recognize those distributed funds would only be over a five year period. [0:13:53, 0:13:59]: In that case, obviously the number jumps a little different. Um so we'd be at thirteen percent. [0:13:59, 0:14:03]: Um right on at sixty one million, sixty one point four. [0:14:03, 0:14:16]: McDonough 61.6, um, Lucas Grove at 18.9, uh Hampton at 17.7, and then the county obviously at sixty-six percent, with Collec uh 310. [0:14:29, 0:14:33]: And option options option four. [0:14:34, 0:14:41]: has the county at sixty five uh and the cities at thirty five and I will tell you that they're not looking at this option at all. [0:14:41, 0:14:46]: Um from what I've been told. But there you'll see the distribution going to sixty three. [0:14:47, 0:15:05]: Um for the city of McDonough and the city of Stockbridge. Um and then the city of Locust Grove at nineteen point five, Hampton at eighteen, uh the county at three oh five, the last one was at three ten. Um but they will fund those those level four pr those level four projects, those level one and level two projects. [0:15:09, 0:15:14]: And then obviously we can't come to an agreement on the SPLOSS. [0:15:16, 0:15:22]: This one is a little different. Okay. So this is saying that the cities can't agree with the county on the distribution. [0:15:22, 0:15:26]: What'll happen is the same thing that happens currently happen on this plus five. [0:15:26, 0:15:27]: No IGA. [0:15:28, 0:15:48]: You can't have a six years plus, you go to a five years plus, and the difference between that is three hundred and eighty versus four hundred and seventy million. So that is a significant difference in the amount of funds that that would be allocated. The county will continue to do sixty-eight percent, we will do thirty-two percent, and those numbers will drop. [0:15:48, 0:15:56]: Us from the 60s into the 40s, kind of where we started out with the numbers we were looking at at 44 million. So we'll be at 46.7. [0:15:56, 0:15:58]: McDonald would be at forty six point eight. [0:15:59, 0:16:01]: Locust Grove at fourteen point four. [0:16:01, 0:16:20]: Uh Hampton at thirteen point five, and then the county will collect two hundred and fifty-eight million for their programs. So Mr. That is worst case scenario. So Mr. Gullian was saying m for a no IG, that means everybody across the board in the county and the four cities ultimately all lose across the board the amount of funds. I want to make it known to the council though is that uh [0:16:20, 0:16:24]: I I and I would hope that you would agree with this so we can work this out. [0:16:24, 0:16:44]: that uh the based on the twenty twenty census is out out. We should really go with the estimate of twenty twenty three. And I know that uh Tim from uh from local school here presented that information at our last meeting with the county a couple weeks or so ago. And uh that that I think that's more beneficial for us as a city because we are larger than Madonna and I believe that Madonna has [0:16:44, 0:17:04]: No problem with that. They realize that that's the case. And of course, as Mr. Gardner mentioned earlier on in the presentation, is that if they stay with the 2020 census, that means that the sixty seven hundred folks that we gained through legal legislation, they're still counting on those folks from that that that basis. That's one thing. The other thing is what I like to mention to the council is that we really [0:17:04, 0:17:24]: an issue for a six year spLOS. But really what we need is a six year spLOS here, not a five year. So I just want to lay that out for you all and for further discussion, an explanation maybe from Mr. Gardner answering questions you may have about this. But uh and of course there will be a time frame working through with uh Senator Vincent the mayor of [0:17:24, 0:17:44]: Madonna about having a a joint meeting with all the uh the mayor city managers and all the cities prior to the deadline of thirty July to make sure that we're in sync uh with the other cities as we we uh before we signed this IGA uh with the uh with the county. Uh but I obviously wanted to make sure we had a [0:17:44, 0:18:04]: meeting we with you all tonight to make sure that Mr. Gardner ha understands where we're going and we have and we understand how we want to handle this when we go with the final uh designation with the rest of cities as well as is uh as well as before I have to sign off on IGA. Want to make sure that you're well aware of of of the situation. We have a a consensus of what direction we [0:18:04, 0:18:09]: So you your point you look concerned, you have an idea. Okay, Mr go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer's. [0:18:09, 0:18:24]: I'm in total agreement with you in terms of we've been down this road before and I think in the last iteration of this we ended up we went there with a proposal and we ended up leaving with twenty five percent. [0:18:24, 0:18:38]: Remember that? Yes. We we thought we were gonna have some negotiation and there was no negotiation. Right. And it ended up being twenty five percent. And uh at this point, to me, you said they're not really entertaining option number four. [0:18:39, 0:18:39]: No. [0:18:40, 0:19:00]: No. Okay, so uh uh waiting uh to me, my own personal opinion, waiting doesn't bother me as long as I'm getting more money. Because in the time it gives us time in that year ramp up to prepare for the projects and honestly we uh you know we we got some other projects that we might be able to [0:19:00, 0:19:20]: work on that we need to get off the board in the meantime uh on the T splot and the SPLOS to show residents that we're trying to we're moving forward with a lot of these projects. So the waiting doesn't really bother me. I just like the larger percentage because we're going to I would have went for the 34 and still are waiting, but you say they're not waiting [0:19:20, 0:19:40]: They're not really working on that, but the 33% gives us a greater percentage because basically we went from 25% to 33% over the last negotiations that we had. It cost us a lot of money because we only went five years and we only got 25%, and they got all of the money off the top anyway. [0:19:40, 0:20:00]: By going five years, is that correct? They got all of the money off the off the top. So the winning position to me would be uh the third position, which is the thirty three percent. There is some a little bit of waiting involved, but it's a much higher percentage. It's a higher percentage, uh, and it gives us time. [0:20:00, 0:20:20]: To consult because I I honestly think that, you know, like you said, it might be a year to pay the money off, but it may not be there. That's on the outside, I would think. So I'm okay with waiting as long as we get a larger percentage of the money, because if you're waiting, uh you get a full [0:20:19, 0:20:39]: percent what is the difference between those two numbers i'm sorry it ain't between the 32 percent and then the 33 percent so at the 30 at option one which is the 68 split that's with no priority projects right so that's based on the 2020 population where Henry [0:20:39, 0:20:43]: County made up sixty eight percent, the city's made up thirty two percent. [0:20:43, 0:20:57]: So that split would be literally the city of Stockbridge at fifty-seven point eight, city of McDonough at fifty-seven point nine, um, Hampton and Locus Grove at 1716, the county at 319. [0:20:57, 0:20:57]: Total [0:20:58, 0:21:00]: In the pot is four hundred and seventy million. [0:21:01, 0:21:21]: Um option two, which I think the chair would entertain because they're able to get priority their level two projects project done ahead of time, would just put us right on the sixty I'm sorry, uh option two is right on the six smoke. Right on the sixty million. The county gets to do their priority projects and [0:21:21, 0:21:25]: And just to let you know what their priority projects are. [0:21:26, 0:21:30]: It would be they would do the fifty one million. [0:21:30, 0:21:50]: Rich is that I'm sorry, what I'm trying to do now is the difference between thirty two percent and then the um so at level at level two, at level two, they get to bond finance the animal new animal shelter, um, fire rescue facilities, fire rescue equipment, and e nine one one and ema facility. So public [0:21:50, 0:22:10]: safety. I mean all of those options f uh help us first spatially uh with homeowners insurance it puts we know that we need additional fire stations so those are plus pluses to the community. Now certainly I might argue about the locust grove tag office since we had to build our own. [0:22:10, 0:22:15]: Everybody agreed that that that the TIG office was not a really big [0:22:16, 0:22:36]: um pusher for for a level one project. I mean, because you re realize the majority of the residents here come to the TIG office here. Um so that's not even though it's a countywide project, obviously it's gonna serve the needs of the folks that live in the Hampton um [0:22:36, 0:22:40]: Locust Grove, Ola, El Walla um communities. [0:22:40, 0:22:48]: Okay, so we have fifty seven six basically for thirty three percent and then for um [0:22:49, 0:23:04]: Fifty nine at thirty three with with level two public safety getting the first bite. Well I'm looking at the amount that we're receiving. We're looking at fifty nine sixty nine six for option two. But then option one, we're looking at fifty seven [0:23:05, 0:23:25]: Fifty seven. So basically that's about a million eight, million seven difference in that percentage uh that would go in with option number two. I mean, there's gonna be a little bit of waiting. They're already leaning toward option number two. And I have a secondary question for you. Go to option two again. [0:23:25, 0:23:45]: Now let me add in there for real quick if you don't mind. You realize this is on 2020. I think we need to push for 2023. I I I'm getting ready to address that. Okay, okay. Okay, go ahead, sir. I'm sorry. Now listen, uh the reason I'm I'm gonna address this this way. If McDonough is already in agreement with where we are right now, right, why don't we just go to the city of McDonough? [0:23:45, 0:24:05]: And let's say let's split the difference and let's us meet in the middle. Let's get the same amount as the city of McDonough versus going back to the county and say, you know, we come up a little bit, you go down a little bit, we're there, we're negotiating amongst the cities. We don't really have to go to the counties in order in order to get that because I don't want to. [0:24:05, 0:24:25]: end up in that position where we are and we're grappling at the table. Is there really going to be true negotiations and where we're going to? But certainly if the amount, the mount, the the amount, the amount is not going, is the the amount total population amount is going to change for the cities, the total population [0:24:24, 0:24:36]: So if you use the twenty twenty three census, you will change because the remember [0:24:37, 0:24:41]: the city of Stockbridge unless you plan on taking from your sister cities. [0:24:41, 0:24:42]: [1483.1, 1503.1]: Um it has to come from the county. So the county would be a little bit lower than what what what's up here. So they will receive a little a less percentage. So the si basically the sixty-seven hundred residents came from unincorporated to us. So basically the difference in what we're looking for is that sixty seven hundred residents [0:25:03, 0:25:14]: is different from unincorporated to incorporated, that's what we will be requesting of the county. And that's what I and that's the conversation I had with the county manager and the county chair on finance was [0:25:15, 0:25:19]: You know, you have to look at that and and and here's the issue. So [0:25:20, 0:25:23]: Under this premise we're getting a little less funding. [0:25:24, 0:25:27]: But we're still obligated to take care of those areas that came in. [0:25:28, 0:25:32]: Even though they're actually the funds to include them are in the sixty eight percent. [0:25:33, 0:25:34]: It's not included in the thirty two. [0:25:35, 0:25:40]: So in essence, when we're addressing any of their issues under the Splos Roads infrastructure. [0:25:41, 0:26:01]: It's coming from our smaller port, even though their number is incorporated in that sixty eight, it's not in that s in that thirty two, it's not in that twelve point six percent. Okay, that that makes sense. So now now that I I I I understand I thought you were just talking about between us and McDonough. No, the difference is is not really McDonald will pretty much stay with [0:26:00, 0:26:13]: where they are, they they their amount would not change. We would be seeking those additional dollars from the county which would increase our allotment, which would take us over them as the largest city. [0:26:14, 0:26:34]: Correct. And and if you recall we had this type of discussion when we went through loss negotiations when we actually when it passed initially in November a couple of years ago, we had to go back and take to some additional percentage of loss because of the gain that we had. This is on the same similar lines. Okay. Okay. I I got it. Now I just wanted to make sh the I I was thinking [0:26:34, 0:26:45]: That the pot would change between us and McDonough. The pot's not gonna change. McDonough's number would stay the same, and we would be seeking basically a small, basically we're talking about [0:26:46, 0:27:06]: Maybe a couple of maybe a few maybe four or five hundred thousand dollars, not a a monumental amount for those sixty-seven uh sixty seven hundred residents or whatever that amount is going to be, but it wouldn't be an earth-shattering amount. It's still gonna be close to what McDonough is getting, just a little bit more based on what the [0:27:06, 0:27:07]: Percentages. Right. [0:27:07, 0:27:27]: And and and we have to realize too, that is predicated on whether or not the county wants to agree to that, which they've already said they're not, right? Um and if and just playing it out logically, if they say no, then we have gotta come to a decision as to [0:27:27, 0:27:30]: Во и вона узебуці? Ізет [0:27:31, 0:27:51]: Well one, the base of the of the s of of the split is gonna be on the twenty twenty census. If we don't come to an agreement there, then we run into the risk of not having an agreement at all. Okay. For clarification, they've already rejected the request. They they've they've rejected it in conversations. Okay. That they're not going to [0:27:51, 0:27:54]: They're they're not gonna go to the twenty twenty three number. [0:27:54, 0:28:06]: So in essence, I mean, really do but we could ask, basically. And and and that's what certainly we should ask. And that's what we did when we we pointed out to the county commit to the county um folks that [0:28:06, 0:28:10]: You you you still put us in the bind, just in the conversation I had before with you guys. [0:28:12, 0:28:14]: We're carrying a portion of [0:28:16, 0:28:17]: Unincorporated county [0:28:18, 0:28:20]: in the city since twenty twenty census [0:28:20, 0:28:25]: But you're factoring in their numbers in your revenue calculations. [0:28:26, 0:28:27]: Well they're in the city. [0:28:28, 0:28:28]: So [0:28:29, 0:28:39]: It obviously that should be a that's a sticking point and should be, not only just for us for McDonald, because that changes even their percentages b based on the growth since twenty twenty. [0:28:40, 0:28:42]: Right. And as I explained to the county officials, [0:28:43, 0:28:49]: You don't collect this money until 2025. You're four and a half years away from us from the next census. [0:28:51, 0:28:55]: And you're using pretty much. By the time we start collecting, you're los you're using [0:28:55, 0:28:57]: Five and a half year data. [0:28:58, 0:29:00]: To determine a split. [0:29:01, 0:29:01]: Right. [0:29:01, 0:29:03]: Doesn't it make sense? [0:29:03, 0:29:04]: But [0:29:04, 0:29:09]: Obviously it's in the best interest of them looking at it from their perspective because under that scenario [0:29:10, 0:29:13]: At twenty twenty, they were sixty eight percent. We were thirty two. [0:29:13, 0:29:16]: Our loss negotiations are a little bit different. [0:29:17, 0:29:21]: Рай, і цмор тоді сити сикс тридцять фору, веге омос фотин процент. [0:29:21, 0:29:22]: Mm-hmm. [0:29:22, 0:29:40]: So that's the difference. If I could continue real quick. Yeah, I certainly let me just say this. They watching this meeting just like we do. So some of this probably need to be discussed offline on what the strategy's gonna be, you know. You know, I I think you you you hit the head on the nail on the head, right? I mean [0:29:41, 0:29:55]: All things. If they say no, we're not using twenty twenty-three, okay, we all want a six years plus. If we take that off the table, then we come down to which one of these options we feel is in the best interest of the city, and that's the option that the city council wants to go with. [0:29:55, 0:29:57]: Right. Um [0:29:57, 0:30:06]: Like you say, there's nothing wrong with asking, as my grandmama used to say, ax not what not. Ask not what So if you if we don't ax [0:30:06, 0:30:11]: They won't know that this is what our position has been. Now are we gonna go concrete in that position? [0:30:13, 0:30:22]: And if that put going concrete in that position costs us a year, you're looking at three hundred and seventy versus three hundred and eighty versus four hundred and seventy million. [0:30:23, 0:30:35]: Do you happen to have I'm sorry, do you happen to have um of that briefing that uh uh Tim had shown with all the twenty twenty three numbers, so we can at least show the rest of the council that that presentation if you got that handy? [0:30:43, 0:30:50]: Just to give you some insight, council, on on um these twenty twenty three numbers and percentages so you at least have an idea of what it looks like. [0:30:53, 0:30:54]: Well for acid. [0:30:55, 0:30:58]: I'm sorry. [0:31:41, 0:31:46]: So in this chart what we what what Tim looked we looked at was we did the projections. [0:31:46, 0:31:48]: Pretty much from twenty twenty ten. [0:31:49, 0:31:51]: All the way through over to twenty twenty three. [0:31:51, 0:31:58]: Right, where our population went from twenty six to thirty six. That included the sixty seven hundred and something people that came in. [0:31:58, 0:31:59]: That jumped our number. [0:32:00, 0:32:08]: Um right around the thirteen percent percentile number. And so when you look at that, that's where the thirty-three [0:32:08, 0:32:15]: thirty three se sixty seven split comes into play to some degree. The issue is obviously um [0:32:16, 0:32:35]: Our number is a little different from from McDonough's number. So that's where the rub would come in. Obviously the county is looking at the option of going to a sixty-seven thirty-three. They're just using the twenty, they're just using the twenty twenty census. And so when we broke down the number, um [0:32:36, 0:32:44]: in here and Tim is you know, we have to make some adjustment based on what the county is seeing in there. So all things being equal, if we go [0:32:44, 0:32:46]: to a um [0:32:46, 0:33:01]: six year spLoss. You know, we're looking at a right around nine point something a year in revenues collected. Um that would get us right around fifty seven. But we know we've adjusted some numbers since this chart came out. The numbers have had to be adjusted. Um [0:33:03, 0:33:17]: So that that was that was how that actually broke down. And on the high, it was sixty one. And that's where my calculations, when you saw my projections on the number, I was using the sixty million uh excuse me. [0:33:20, 0:33:22]: The sixty milyen is a hard a hard total. [0:33:26, 0:33:33]: So splitting the difference between what what Tim was projecting as the high and what was being projected as as the low. [0:33:34, 0:33:37]: Um, right in between there. So on the high side [0:33:37, 0:33:47]: continuing kind of where we've been with our collections, that's where we would be based on the on the twenty twenty three census. So that's that's somewhat the difference. Um [0:33:48, 0:33:49]: You know. [0:33:49, 0:33:51]: That's about a seven million dollar dear force. [0:33:52, 0:34:02]: So so yeah, so you're talking about a w a one one point something million dollar if that difference in there, um, at the sixty eight point seven. [0:34:06, 0:34:16]: So we would get thirty-four, it's kinda b f pretty much falling on the loss. Well, this is here is older number, but the law where we negotiated a loss and remember we got an additional percentage. [0:34:16, 0:34:18]: Because of the population change. [0:34:18, 0:34:25]: So Tim number was not fairly exact'cause it our new numbers was actually at thirty six point something, but [0:34:26, 0:34:31]: And I sent that over to him, but that's kind of where the distribution would be. [0:34:31, 0:34:42]: So we're not that far off in the ballpark in terms of the distribution. It's not it's not some significant ten or nine million dollar difference. You're talking hundreds of thousands to a million, million one. [0:34:42, 0:34:43]: Right. [0:34:44, 0:35:04]: I'm all for asking, so that's my position. Council, any any other you all about this latest information? Any questions or thoughts, concerns on this side? Down here? Any any concerns, thoughts? Go right here, please. Um thank you, Mayor. Uh Mr. Gardner, uh quick question. The bonding that they would take off top for [0:35:04, 0:35:21]: Besh for projects such as the public safety, animal control and those other things. Is that by law that they get to take off top first? Is or they c they coming to us with an agreement saying these are the projects that we want to do? [0:35:21, 0:35:28]: And we're asking to bond this amount off top first. It's it's negotiated, but they actually are negotiating from the high we're on the low side. [0:35:29, 0:35:29]: I'm sorry. [0:35:30, 0:35:32]: They they've got the high ground, we've got the low ground. [0:35:32, 0:35:36]: For that particular as it relates to splots in general. Because remember [0:35:37, 0:35:40]: They don't have to include us in Splash. By law they don't. [0:35:40, 0:35:45]: Um they could just have a five years plus and and move forward with the population based on the last census. [0:35:46, 0:36:01]: Well, we we lost a lot of money doing that. We were aware of that. Correct. But we what I'm saying is uh so I just wanted to make sure I didn't know even though it's a negotiated end, I didn't know if it was me it was by law that they get to do that. [0:36:01, 0:36:21]: Uh unlike loss to some degree, the county actually gets to put they they get to lead the charge on on SPLS. Um LOS is a little different, um, but when it comes to SPLOS, we can't call a SPLOSS. They can. They can call a SPLOS for six years and say, Do you all want to negotiate? Here's our terms. [0:36:22, 0:36:24]: If we say no, they go to a five year sploss. [0:36:25, 0:36:27]: And in that five years plus scenario, you know what they could do? [0:36:28, 0:36:38]: They could go ahead and bond finance their projects off and still put us in the loop. So that's we've done that. Yes, that has happened. But I've m uh m [0:36:39, 0:36:41]: But I'll wait'cause I don't want to talk. [0:36:42, 0:36:47]: strategy of online. But I what I do want to do is um [0:36:48, 0:36:49]: Um [0:36:51, 0:37:01]: That difference, that's a big difference that twenty twenty three since is compared to twenty twenty is not just a hundred. So thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars. [0:37:01, 0:37:03]: So if you go back to huh. [0:37:09, 0:37:14]: So if you go back to scenario one at the sixty eight thirty-two or [0:37:15, 0:37:21]: Option two at the sixty seven thirty three, which is close to where we are. [0:37:21, 0:37:22]: Um [0:37:23, 0:37:34]: Uh option three does it a little bit, with sixty six thirty-four. But remember that eighty five million is what they're gonna move forward on with those level one and level two projects right away. [0:37:34, 0:37:42]: Right. And so you might be looking at a year, a year and a half or more around there before we see a dime c start hitting us. [0:37:42, 0:37:56]: Right. And so that's the key for us is, you know, do you think that the tag office is a hot button issue that that the the the folks here are gonna like as well as the folks in the county gonna like? Mm-hmm. [0:37:56, 0:37:57]: Um [0:37:58, 0:38:09]: You know, versus the public safety. And I think that's why you have the option two, which just address uh addresses the level two projects, which are the public safety projects, and I'll show you those again. [0:38:09, 0:38:11]: It's the fire station. [0:38:12, 0:38:26]: It's the new animal shelter, which you guys are watching the news, you've been hearing about it. Um, new fire rescue facilities, um, the new fire rescue equipment and the new the E one E nine nine one one and and EMA facility. [0:38:26, 0:38:35]: uh uh what's they're willing to make those projects and they would go forward and do the TIG office on a paygo situation rather than bond financing that. [0:38:36, 0:38:38]: Well, uh I would be interested in knowing [0:38:40, 0:38:57]: This current spots that we're in, how long it took them to collect fifty one million dollars? I I wanna know the time frame of that collection. I could I could get that. If they i i I could get that number from from from the county, how long they think it would take. Um if I remember correctly, they were saying at the meeting [0:38:58, 0:39:02]: Um f I don't know if Mayor and Mr Alexander you remember, I think they were saying [0:39:02, 0:39:12]: somewhere in the neighborhood, I think it was a year to a year and a half based on if they do the level one, level two versus level one only,'cause obviously that's only six million dollars. [0:39:13, 0:39:24]: If you go back, if they just did the level one, which they doesn't show that as as the number one option'cause it's not a sexy sell to anybody, the Tiger Office, look and see. It's either no priority projects [0:39:24, 0:39:30]: or the public safety, but you don't see the level one, the Tiger Office by itself. [0:39:30, 0:39:32]: That's just a level one project. It's [0:39:33, 0:39:39]: they don't put it out there by itself. So what it what they're saying is public safety is our priority. [0:39:40, 0:39:44]: that those facil fire facilities fire aparatus e nine one one [0:39:44, 0:39:45]: And an animal controlled [0:39:46, 0:40:06]: We're more geared towards that, uh and bond findings in those ahead of time versus doing the TIG office by itself with just one level one priority project. Um and obviously six million dollars is not a long wait if they did it. So they obviously that's not a win. Um so that's why I think they put the level two [0:40:06, 0:40:13]: And they give us the option of splitting it closer to where we are from a population distribution, 6733. [0:40:14, 0:40:18]: But doing the fifty one in advance, and then we all get [0:40:18, 0:40:19]: And remember [0:40:19, 0:40:20]: Um [0:40:20, 0:40:22]: If all things hold true. [0:40:22, 0:40:24]: Івен тру ковід. [0:40:24, 0:40:35]: We saw an increase in our sales tax. Our sales tax never dipped. That wasn't just Henry County, that was pretty much around Metroid Lana, Fulton County, everybody. Um [0:40:35, 0:40:38]: People might not have been gathering around but they were buying stuff. [0:40:39, 0:40:41]: Um and having it delivered. [0:40:41, 0:40:46]: Right. Um so that's so sales tax didn't go down. So all things being equal. [0:40:47, 0:40:50]: Should we surpass the four seventy? Yeah, probably will. [0:40:50, 0:40:51]: Um [0:40:51, 0:40:53]: And so that means it's just more in a hat. [0:40:54, 0:41:04]: But once said we I'll find out what that take if they bond finance, what that date is, and I will get that back to you guys. Um if I could get an answer tonight, I'll let you know tonight. If I can get an answer. [0:41:06, 0:41:08]: So I I guess [0:41:09, 0:41:15]: Moving forward, I mean is is council in agreement that we should look at l option w option two? [0:41:15, 0:41:18]: Option two and option three or just option two. [0:41:19, 0:41:20]: Oh on uh option one. [0:41:21, 0:41:36]: I mean, if you have a fallback and I know the strategy, but I mean it is what it is, they're gonna find out anyway. Um, it ain't like we could sue'em over anything, can't. I mean the DNS what what we all come to an agreement or don't come to an agreement on. [0:41:36, 0:41:56]: Um so I was gonna say I I'll tell you what, I uh I'm I'm I like option two with six years and twenty twenty-three data. Okay, that's that that's my wish list. Right. Now whether or not we can get that's another story, but that's my wish list because I think that's only fair to us. That's what I think. Anyway. Mr. Everton, go ahead, please. Uh I concur with what you just stated. [0:41:56, 0:42:04]: And certainly my position is the same as yours, which is we will ask. Right. We will put provide pr provide the data. [0:42:05, 0:42:25]: But they're they're you know, they we started at thir they started we started at thirty four, they started at thirty two. Negotiation requires compromise. They come to the thirty three percent which is hitting the middle on where we are in terms of negotiation. We make a request, as you have stated, based on the twenty three [0:42:25, 0:42:45]: Data and then indicate that that data is solid as a rock, but at the same time, when they got the stick, what do you do? Because that's just what it is, because they can say we don't want to do that, and that's kind of where we are. So, what I want to do is do what we did, present the data, and see what the response. [0:42:44, 0:42:51]: But rest of council, what kind of thoughts you the rest of the council have? [0:42:52, 0:43:06]: Same mayor for I'm in agreement with you as well. Th obviously twenty twenty three data would give us the best solution outcome that we would want to have, but again, like it's been stated it's ultimately not [0:43:07, 0:43:13]: in our final decision, but we will shoot for it. You you never know what you can get'til you shoot for it. So go for that and [0:43:13, 0:43:19]: We'll negotiate from there. All right, sir. Appreciate it. Mr. Option two. Option two as well, sir. Same thing. Um [0:43:20, 0:43:22]: Ms. Gantt, you you good up too? [0:43:22, 0:43:33]: Well, I'm I'm going for the same thing, your suggestion. Okay. I think it's within the best interest of the city. Mm-hmm. So that's what I will go for, starting off the century. Okay. Ms. Barber? [0:43:35, 0:43:55]: You have any comment? You don't have a comment. All right, so be it. All right. So option two, it's six years and twenty twenty three data, sirs is what we're looking at now. And then obviously um we'll have to have some additional conversation with the other three cities, primarily well the other three cities anyway, can we have to go collectively uh with them [0:43:55, 0:44:15]: them uh to the county for to sign off the IGA. And so we have the primary position. I guess uh there might be have to be a secondary position. I don't know if we want to go down that road right now, but you got a primary position and then and uh so sometime within the next uh week or so we'll have to meet with the rest of the cities and then before the end of the month sign off get to the [0:44:15, 0:44:35]: the county and sign off on an IGA and obviously council uh between myself and of course and Mr. Gardner we'll keep you abreast and keep you up what's going on so you at least know where we stand on this so because in this aspect and hopefully we can get all the things we need for our city properly that we think is right. So um anybody got any other questions, concerns? [0:44:35, 0:44:40]: Okay, me as well. Does that conclude the pro uh the uh your presentation? [0:44:40, 0:45:00]: Are you concluded with your presentation? No, certainly in a totally different category. The the there was a quite a disparity between the joint product projects where county money was being invested in McDonough and county money was being invested in the city. I think those conversations need to continue because uh [0:45:00, 0:45:20]: I I I stated it and I sent you all the email. I feel like there was obvious bias on the sploss committee toward the city. And Mayor, you indicated it during the joint meeting. It was a travesty that flippin' road was removed from the list. Right. And we certainly need to go back to see whether or not we could have some allocation. [0:45:20, 0:45:23]: uh for flipping road and such projects. [0:45:24, 0:45:35]: Yes, I was I was I was told that they would look at including flipping and I did put that down in our on our list with them, um, that flipping would be on there. Um [0:45:35, 0:45:43]: East Lake Parkway, Eagles Landing Parkway, Hudson Bridge, Um East Atlanta Road, um [0:45:44, 0:45:55]: were on that list and also if they locate a property in the inside the city limits, we w if they want to we could discuss um [0:45:56, 0:46:00]: The senior center as a discussion and I think that's what the position we said we go. [0:46:01, 0:46:03]: Um I did add one other thing in there. [0:46:03, 0:46:05]: And that was the [0:46:06, 0:46:17]: And some remember this and um Mr Alfonso you might remember this. Did the Rock Quarry Road used to be a splos project before a joint project from years and the money was reappropriated, correct? [0:46:18, 0:46:29]: So I did actually add that on there and more so for engineering and design, because obviously we won't get it done in this plus, so we'd have to wait till the T S Plus. Kind of the same thing we're doing with Patrick Henry. So I added that just [0:46:29, 0:46:49]: for them to know that realizing if if we put in one hundred percent, that roadway is going to be utilized by unincorporated Henry County residents coming from Flat Rock Road and all the other areas up there that traverse down old cornyars and then would come on that road to hit Rock Roy to get to there to get to the hospital and get to I seventy five. [0:46:49, 0:47:09]: So it's not just a single or city city project. It should be something to look at jointly. So I could I added that to the list as well. And second and and lastly, we he we were talking about a park parti particularly in district three and uh see whether or not they would be willing to partner with us on some since we've allocated a [0:47:09, 0:47:29]: If we get the six years flies about six million dollar the park improvement, maybe they could help us to assist with the park in District 3. Um And the only reason why I didn't put that is it you know obviously we're they're in the recreation business, which we're not, and that's where the joint boat lady expense come in for building a park. For us [0:47:29, 0:47:49]: it's gonna be more of a passive use park because that's what we're that's our that's our niche. Um and so looking at that property and also willing to leverage some of the the funds that we would get to go after a kaboom grant. Um been successful in the past past community with about three kaboom [0:47:49, 0:48:09]: grants for parks in East Point that literally stave off and that would just take a community effort, us bringing the match and they will bring the facilities, put them in the parks. So there's some options us to play with, but ultimately um you know getting community buy-in um and and putting the putting the project together. But if if you want me to add that I will. [0:48:09, 0:48:29]: I just realized that I didn't think it was the big that big of a lift, but I guess every every every little bit counts, so I'll resend that and put that on the list if if you're not sure. Let me say this too. Don't let the past be the hist be the deterrent for what we're doing in the future. Our kids do need some sports bills in the city. We've seen [0:48:29, 0:48:49]: where we were on the board where we were held over, dangled over the banner about our sports field down at Cochrane Park. Right. So it certainly would be a good thing if we had soccer fields or football fields or lacrosse fields, some sports fields in the city for for our own use, whether we [0:48:49, 0:49:09]: recr whether we shopped out the recreation to them or what we decided to do, but it certainly would be good to have some recreational sports fields in the city, whether that's lacrosse or soccer or football or some type of facility, even baseball. [0:49:09, 0:49:24]: You good? Anything else down this way? Pickleball. anybody else? Okay, so you said you'd be able to add that, try to work that in. Yes. [0:49:24, 0:49:25]: Okay. [0:49:25, 0:49:32]: All right. Any other questions, Council? Anything else, sir sir, you need to in reference to splot six that we need to discuss tonight? That's it. [0:49:33, 0:49:40]: That's it? Anything else? Alright, so no more else on that, then uh ask for um a motion to adjourn our meeting. [0:49:40, 0:49:41]: Is there a second? [0:49:42, 0:49:47]: I second. Okay, Ms Gar uh from uh Mr. Alexander and Ms. Gantt, all in favor please indicate. [0:49:47, 0:49:55]: Snapchat, thank you. God bless you all. We're in this particular meeting. We will get started with our next meeting here at 6 30. So we've got rough.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2024-07-08 source: 2024-07-08_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:09:46, 0:09:50]: Put it up to you. K more. [0:09:52, 0:10:03]: Also what's up? I'm Monica Jones and I'm super excited to be here. Um excited to serve the community as well as um help the city of Stockbridge grow. [0:10:04, 0:10:05]: Thank you. [0:10:09, 0:10:21]: Hello, my name is Ivy D. Sears of Ivy League Realty. I am super excited to be here, super excited to be appointed. I look forward to learning and assisting the community to grow. [0:10:26, 0:10:32]: Good evening, everyone. My name is Kim Mays. I'm the owner of Kim Mays State Farm Agency. [0:10:32, 0:10:35]: Which is in Stockbridge, so as a business owner. [0:10:36, 0:10:44]: I am really excited to be a part of this board and hoping to help to put Stockbridge in the [0:10:44, 0:10:45]: Growth direction. [0:10:46, 0:10:59]: And um excited to use my background. Okay, so I have a degree in architectural engineering and commercial construction and real estate, all the things. So super excited. Thank you for selecting me. [0:11:04, 0:11:24]: And then Vanessa Holley, I clerk, will also sign this and we'll get a copy of this as well. And I believe this is for them. Okay. Yes, they're saying their names on their manager. We've got the names on it, but we can get the right one for. Okay. That's just called okay for serious. Okay. Okay. [0:11:24, 0:11:44]: It's up to clear it up to you. Okay? Thank you very much. You all mean you need to take a picture, right? Okay. [0:11:44, 0:11:45]: Yeah. [0:11:49, 0:12:05]: All right. So how about uh the uh this pal? So yeah, you'll get it. Is there a miss pal? Thank you. I guess we're gonna show you. Oh really good? Okay, great, thank you. Is that the problem? Okay, how about uh [0:12:06, 0:12:07]: Okay, the group. [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: Yeah, massive. [0:12:16, 0:12:36]: Okay, come right here, sir. You got a you got an idea of what we're gonna go through? A little bit. A little bit, raise your right hand. Okay, I state your name. I can you cook? Board member? Board members affirm. You solemnly swear on the firm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of the downtown development authority. The duties of the downtown development authority. Of the city of Stockbridge. [0:12:36, 0:12:56]: And that I will. And that I will. To the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and defend. The charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as the constitution. As well as the constitution. And the laws of the state of Georgia. And the laws of the state of Georgia. And the United States of America. And the United States of America. I further affirm that. I felt further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. [0:12:56, 0:13:16]: Do not hold. I do not hold. Any unaccounted for public money? Any unaccounted for public money. Do or payable to the state? Do or payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Or any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stock Bridge. The city of Stock Bridge. Any authority thereof. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold. Nor do I hold. Any other office of trust? Any other office of trust? Of the government. [0:13:16, 0:13:36]: Of the government of the United States. Of the United States. Of this state. Of this state. Or any foreign state. Or any foreign state. Prescribed. As prescribed. By the law of the state of Georgia. By the law of the state of Georgia. I solemnly affirm. I solemnly affirm. That I'm fully qualified. That I'm fully qualified. Under the Constitution. Under the Constitution. The laws of the state. And the laws of the state. To hold the office. To hold the office. Downtown Taverna Authority Board. [0:13:36, 0:13:56]: member of downtown development authority board member and i will and i will perform the duties perform the duties of my office of my office the best interest in the best interest of the city of stock rich city of stock rich best of my ability to the best of my ability without fear without fear favor favor affection affection reward reward or expectation thereof or expectation thereof on the eighth day of july twenty twenty four [0:13:56, 0:14:00]: On the eighth day of july twenty twenty four. Red listed sir. [0:14:04, 0:14:08]: Now sir the floor is you can we have anything you want to say just [0:14:08, 0:14:28]: How's everybody doing this evening? Well, I did want to take this moment just to say one thank God, and I want to say thank my family for being here today, and I'm grateful for this opportunity to serve in the city of Stockbridge. I came down here from New Jersey two years ago, not sure what I was going to do, but I found a spot here and I look forward to serving this great community and seeing it be the greatest. [0:14:28, 0:14:30]: Yeah. [0:14:37, 0:14:39]: Is there a a Toriqa pound? [0:14:41, 0:14:42]: Oh yeah. [0:14:44, 0:14:45]: Yes sir. [0:14:55, 0:14:57]: We take a second picture? Okay. [0:14:59, 0:15:13]: We'll do right hand. Come on outside. Come on up here. [0:15:16, 0:15:26]: Yeah, thanks. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Work open for the trickers. Thank you so much. Once again, this palette is not here, right? Okay. Well [0:15:29, 0:15:34]: What I'm gonna read next is actually a proclamation here. This is um [0:15:35, 0:15:53]: This is really a uh, this is just really somewhat emotional, great, this aspect. This is actually a proclamation acknowledging one of our own. Miss Vanessa Holliday, come up please. [0:15:56, 0:16:05]: This holiday is has recently been um named the 2024 Clerk of the Year with the Georgia Municipal Association. [0:16:10, 0:16:23]: He um there are five hundred thirty-six cities in the state of Georgia. Now I don't know if every city's got a city clerk, but the whole bunch out there. What this means is she is number one in the state for this year. [0:16:27, 0:16:47]: Remind me she's always number one in our heart anyway. But the fact the fact that George Municipal Association acknowledged this publicly at our annual conference in Savannah uh last well about two weeks ago now in this aspect. So and uh the proclamation here in this he also got a great award. We'll show that to you in just a second in this aspect. So uh we're very proud of [0:16:47, 0:17:07]: Vanessa and the fact that uh he's one of our own right here that got acknowledged statewide and being number one. This is fantastic. So for you, Miss Holliday, okay. Recognition of Vanessa Holiday 2024 Georgia Municipal Clerk of the Year, whereas the Georgia Municipal Clerks Association has honored Vanessa Holliday, City Clerk of the City of Stockbridge. [0:17:07, 0:17:27]: With the highest honor as the 2024 Municipal Clerk of the Year, Vanessa Holiday will represent all 536 clerks across the state of Georgia. Whereas for the past 12 years, Vanessa has been a pillar of dedication and service as a city clerk in Stock Rates. She has shown a great deal of drive, professionalism, service during her time as a municipal clerk. [0:17:27, 0:17:47]: Ras Vanessa has served others with compassion and leadership as a clerk as well as a several community organizations throughout the city of Stockbridge and Henry County area. Ras Vanessa's commitment to professional development is evident in her qualification. She's uh in her qualification. She is a Georgia certified clerk and an International Institute Certified Municipal Clerk. She's also a [0:17:47, 0:18:07]: Complete a master's educational management development program for the University of Georgia's Carl Vincent Institute of Government, the Human Resources Administration certification, the Minnesota leader and the honorable cohort for diversity, equity, and inclusion with the Georgia Minnesota Association. And let me stop for a second. That particular one, that honor, she and I actually tag team on that. We did to this course. [0:18:07, 0:18:27]: Together. So and we had a great time for about eight months, wasn't it? Learned a lot, absolutely. So I just want to mention that we tag team rode together back and had a great time. Okay, we're all right. Okay, Vanessa is a proud member of the Georgia Municipal Clerks Association and the International Institute of Municipal Clerks and the Georgia Records Association, the Georgia Cemetery Association, and National National Association. [0:18:27, 0:18:47]: States and Government Archives and Records Administration. So now therefore I answer this floor by virtual authority blessing me as the mayor of City of Star Peter, Georgia. On behalf of City Council members, Zelda's Donna Barber, Kyle Berry, Lakeesia Gann, and Fons of Thomas to hereby dedicate this proclamation a day and the day of Vanessa Holiday, Georgia Municipal Association, two climate discrete. [0:18:47, 0:19:07]: 2024 of the year, we congratulate her elite accomplishments and recognize the hard work, dedication, and passion for the profession and community that she displays. She is an asset to our community and municipal government. A witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand in Great Sea of the City, Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of July, year of our Lord, 2008. [0:19:07, 0:19:14]: 24. And I signed this. Normally probably she signed this. She can't sign on private. [0:19:18, 0:19:26]: And your staff, your staff is bringing you some other things. [0:19:27, 0:19:47]: Fantastic. You uh this ladies and gentlemen, I'm holding it now, but it's not mine. This is actually this is what she got at the that at the Georgia Municipal Association a couple years a couple of month weeks ago in our our Warsaw in in Savannah. And it's they see some nice, nice plaque here in this aspect. She's probably gonna bring show this in her office without doubt. So [0:19:47, 0:19:49]: Okay. [0:19:50, 0:20:01]: Now I'm I'm I'm actually holding this for you, but the problem is yours. All right, please. [0:20:04, 0:20:10]: Congrats, thank you. By the way, yeah like your point, I'm sorry. [0:20:10, 0:20:25]: Oh my goodness. Okay, thank you. Uh I love what I do and I really, really appreciate the Georgia Municipal Association uh for recognizing me. I appreciate appreciate everyone who submitted a nomination. [0:20:26, 0:20:28]: And then to be selected. [0:20:28, 0:20:34]: out of the five hundred and thirty six clerks that we currently have because we have some amazing clerks that I work with. [0:20:34, 0:20:37]: And so to be selected is an honor. [0:20:37, 0:20:40]: When I was first appointed [0:20:40, 0:20:45]: In two thousand and ten, I was told you have to have thick skin and a backbone. [0:20:45, 0:20:52]: And both are true. And anybody who knows me knows I stand firm on my yes and hard on my no. [0:20:52, 0:20:57]: And it has been a joy to work in a community that I live. [0:20:58, 0:21:10]: to help every day to make this place a better place. So I am so thankful and so honored to have been recognized. You just have no idea. My d dynamic duo staff. [0:21:11, 0:21:14]: Cassandra and Shahri, I could not do this without them. [0:21:14, 0:21:34]: The team here at the city of Stockbridge is so supportive and so amazing. My governing body for appointing me year after year after year to do what I do, I am so appreciative. So just thank you for everything. I really appreciate it. [0:21:34, 0:21:50]: Take this for us, please. Come on with your ladies, please. This right here should be good, I suppose. And I don't know if one of you want to hold the balloons as well. I mean come come on. Guess what? [0:21:51, 0:21:52]: Scary. [0:21:56, 0:22:08]: Okay, hold on one second. Oh, we need to have this in power. You can't hold it once you want to hold it. Alright, there you go. Alright, let's just do this. [0:22:10, 0:22:28]: Fantastic. There we go. All right. Thank you, ladies. Alright, that's all outstanding. Outstanding. Now the question is can we do this again? I don't know how soon we can do this again, but we'll we'll work at it and try to do it again sometime, okay? All right. Um is it cloud here? [0:22:28, 0:22:48]: Okay. All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's it. If that's if we got here uh Rika Powell, if I'm here, that's the one I was supposed to swear next on the youth council advisory committee member, but uh we're gonna start our meeting roughly the ten minutes. So if she gets in for that, we'll do that. If not, we'll continue along with our meeting. You're more than welcome to stay as long as you like for the council. [0:22:48, 0:23:03]: is open to the public, always. Uh so uh thank you for being here and uh Scott Bridge is where for me to connect. Okay, you understand that's our little tag right on the bottom. But uh God bless you all and uh hang hang out if you want to hang out tonight. Okay, thank you. [0:23:20, 0:23:21]: Yeah, I want my content. [0:23:22, 0:23:25]: It's body, is it? [0:23:25, 0:23:30]: copying with some website and if it's a result. So it's in my [0:23:46, 0:23:48]: It's a lot of that. [0:23:50, 0:24:00]: Yeah. So it's uh second time is second time is not controlled. [0:24:10, 0:24:11]: Yeah, yeah. [0:24:12, 0:24:14]: Yeah, okay. [0:24:15, 0:24:15]: Right. [0:24:16, 0:24:25]: [1485.0, 1505.0]: Okay, it's all about talking for one button and we already did it on it, but yeah, we're all where we're after. [0:25:05, 0:25:11]: So quite. [0:25:11, 0:25:13]: But yeah, I'll be [0:25:25, 0:25:30]: I remember sitting here about it. Somehow. [0:25:32, 0:25:35]: So the the ladies come back in. [0:25:50, 0:25:54]: This is not good for the past. [0:25:57, 0:25:57]: You know what? [0:25:58, 0:26:00]: Are you doing it? [0:26:05, 0:26:07]: [1571.0, 1578.2]: Well congratulations. You start. Okay, yeah. Not all this local day or not. [0:26:18, 0:26:19]: No. [0:26:19, 0:26:20]: Yeah. [0:26:22, 0:26:28]: Yeah, uh, DJ was. [0:26:40, 0:26:42]: I never heard that. [0:35:15, 0:35:18]: All right, council, let's uh let's come to dial so we can get our meeting started, please. [0:35:42, 0:35:45]: But you see. [0:35:46, 0:35:47]: Yeah. [0:35:52, 0:35:54]: But I'll sit up. [0:35:56, 0:35:58]: Yeah. All right. [0:36:01, 0:36:02]: Okay. [0:36:04, 0:36:07]: All right, counselor, let's uh let's come to Dial so we can get our meeting started, please. [0:36:34, 0:36:42]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have uh six oh four and I'd like to call our city council meeting Monday, July eighth to order. [0:36:44, 0:36:50]: And the invocation, um, Doctor Gordine, could you please come to the mic? And if you're able to stand, please do so for the invocation. [0:36:56, 0:36:59]: Uh it ma is the mic make sure the mic's on? [0:37:04, 0:37:07]: Testing. Oh there you go. Thank you very much. [0:37:07, 0:37:11]: Heavenly Father, before we start this meeting today, [0:37:11, 0:37:13]: We want to begin with Thanksgiving. [0:37:13, 0:37:33]: During this meeting, we will discuss many things and make many decisions, but we never want to lose sight of our gratefulness to you. Thank you for your faithfulness and provision in our lives. Thank you for each person in this meeting and the unique talents and perspectives they bring. We thank you for the [0:37:33, 0:37:53]: the opportunity to gather together and work together towards a common a common goal. In your name we pray. Amen. Amen. Pledge allegiance, pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the Republic for withstand one nation, under God. [0:37:53, 0:37:55]: With liberty and justice for all. [0:37:56, 0:37:58]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:38:01, 0:38:05]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Berry. [0:38:06, 0:38:23]: Let the record reflect. Mayor Pro Timberry is not an attendant. Councilmember Alexander. Present. Council Member Barber. Present. Council Member Gantt. Present. Council Member Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quarter. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:38:25, 0:38:28]: So move. Is there a second, Mr Alexander? Is there a second? [0:38:29, 0:38:31]: I'm Ms. Gantt second, all in favor please indicate. [0:38:32, 0:38:50]: Okay, thank you very much. Unanimous decision on that moment. And before you council, you have the adoption of the minutes, the amended uh joint uh Main Street Advisory Board, City of Stockbridge of course, and uh and our downtown development authority retreat minutes, uh which was back on thirteenth of uh April of twenty twenty four, and then our council meeting minutes of june tenth. [0:38:51, 0:38:56]: And also our work session minutes of June twenty sixth. If there no one changes out and need a motion to approve them, please. [0:38:56, 0:39:02]: So okay, okay. From Mr. Alexander to Miss Barber for a second, that as well. All in favor, please indicate. [0:39:03, 0:39:23]: Uh thank you very much. Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? No public comments, Mayor. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, but before you uh just want to know for the ceremonial piece earlier today, uh we had several different swearing in ceremonies. Um we had Mr Kenyon Cook uh sworn in for the Downtown Development Authority. And then for Citywide Development Authority we had [0:39:23, 0:39:40]: uh Monica Jones, Kim Mays, and Ivory Sears to join that particular authority. So we welcome them, all of them on the particular committees there. And of course we had a special recognition of our own Vanessa Holliday as the Georgia Municipal Clerk Year of the Year, 2024. So congratulations to all the folks in the Vanessa as well. [0:39:43, 0:40:02]: So on that note, uh outstanding. I love doing those those ceremonial things and recognize individuals for the great help in this aspect. So uh what we have next is the presentation, council consideration approved the city of Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council zone for replacement member application, presented by Chief Frank Tremor. Chief, please. [0:40:11, 0:40:13]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening, sir. [0:40:14, 0:40:15]: Um [0:40:15, 0:40:25]: As you know, our Citizens Police Advisory Council, they've been doing a lot of great work. We had a successful car show uh this past uh well two weekends ago now. [0:40:25, 0:40:39]: We've got a number of other community events uh coming forward. And um our Citizen Police Advisory Council was actually nominated as a finalist uh for the Motorola Award of Excellence at the Georgia Chiefs conference this upcoming year. So they've been doing a lot of positive work in our community. [0:40:39, 0:40:45]: Uh as you know, there are twelve members that sit on that council. Uh one of our representatives that represents the [0:40:46, 0:40:51]: uh zone four area which is the Eagles landing community, uh Miss Diana Williams had to resign. [0:40:51, 0:40:54]: Which left us with a vacancy and uh Miss Judy Neal. [0:40:55, 0:41:02]: Has uh filed application to be considered for that vacancy for the uh zone four area. She currently serves as the [0:41:03, 0:41:06]: uh president of the village of eagles landing homeowners association. [0:41:06, 0:41:24]: And uh we would be asking the council to um uh appoint her to serve in that vacant board position this evening for zone four as a zone four representative. Thank you, Chief. Comments council representative um Okay, there's our motion to accept this uh nomination. So moved. Is there a second? [0:41:25, 0:41:26]: It's their second. [0:41:28, 0:41:30]: Miss Barber second then. All in favor, please indicate. [0:41:30, 0:41:31]: Yes. [0:41:31, 0:41:35]: Okay, sir approval. Okay, thank you sir. Appreciate it, Chief. [0:41:36, 0:41:56]: What we what we have next, ladies and gentlemen, we actually have a public hearing involving uh several uh one well, several issues here. And so what I'd like to do is read uh the public hearing rules at this time, and then I'll read through the each under the issues involving this particular uh variance code in this particular uh uh comprehensive plan amendment. [0:41:56, 0:42:02]: Amendment. Once again, for public hearing rules are please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. [0:42:03, 0:42:08]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table. [0:42:08, 0:42:11]: and handed to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:42:11, 0:42:26]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or representative regarding the proposed plans for the property along with other other relevant information. The council will be free to s to ask questions at any time before the vote. [0:42:27, 0:42:39]: Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have the opportunity to do so. Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended at the discretion of the counsel. [0:42:39, 0:42:53]: Please keep comments and presentations professional referring to only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual or group. Please refrain from the applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. [0:42:53, 0:43:05]: After the presiding officers recognize the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer and never to the members of the council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium where you [0:43:05, 0:43:08]: will be required to state your name and address for the record. [0:43:09, 0:43:11]: Please note that these hearings are not a debate. [0:43:12, 0:43:32]: Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from those these proceedings. Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part of his or her speaking time as rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allowed [0:43:32, 0:43:34]: for the pro side of replication. [0:43:35, 0:43:39]: If questions are raised, the counsel may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. [0:43:39, 0:43:51]: The presiding officer will call for a motion and second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. [0:43:53, 0:44:10]: Now we have several different items, well, several different things I'm gonna read, and then then Mr. Ryan Anderson will come forward to address uh all these issues. So this deals with a comprehensive plan amendment case, CP 2024-02, Council District number four. [0:44:10, 0:44:30]: The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold any will hold a public meeting on Thursday, June 20th, 2024 at 630 p.m. And the city of Stockbridge Mayor and City Council will hold a public hearing on Monday, July 8th, 2024, at 6 p.m. in the Stockbridge City Hall, located at 4640 North Henry Boulevard. [0:44:30, 0:44:50]: Stockbridge, Georgia. To consider the request for the comprehensive plan amendment of property 111 Old Conyers Road to change the property's future land use designation to low of low density residential to special purpose to allow for the construction of a mixed-use development, including commercial and residential uses. The applicant is charged. [0:44:50, 0:45:10]: Charlie Hightower on behalf of the First National Land Trust LLC. The property is located in land lot 68 of District 12 with 6.71 plus and minus acres within the city limits, cyber city limits, and once again it'll be presented by Ryan Anderson. The rezoning case, RZ 2024-02, once again, council. [0:45:10, 0:45:30]: Of District 4. The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold a public meeting on Thursday, June 20th, which happened on 2024 at 6:30 p.m. in the city uh the city of Starbury's mayor and city council will hold a public hearing on Monday, July 8th, 2024, 6 p.m. in the Starbury City Hall, located at 4640 North Anion Boulevard in Starbury. [0:45:30, 0:45:48]: Bridge, Georgia, to consider the request for the rezoning of the property at 111 O'Connors Road to rezone the property from SR Suburban Residential to PUD Plan Unit Development to allow for the construction of a mixed-use development including commercial and residential uses. The applicant is Charlie Hightower. [0:45:50, 0:46:10]: And on behalf of the First National Land Trust, LLC, the property is located in land lot 68 of District 12 with 6.71 acres within the Stopper City limits. The variance case RV 2024-01 Council District 4 variance is to reduce the parking requirements according to the number of bedrooms per [0:46:10, 0:46:27]: apartment unit, whereby whereby studio and one bedroom apartment units would have only one parking space instead of the required 1.2525 parking spaces per unit, and two bedroom units would have only have 1.25 parking spaces per unit instead of the 1.75 parking spaces per unit. [0:46:28, 0:46:45]: The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold public meetings on once again on Thursday, June 2024 at 6 30 P.M. And the City of Stockbridge, Mayor and City Council will hold a public hearing on Monday, July 8th, 2024, at 6 PM in Stockbridge City Hall, located 4640 North Henry Boulevard in Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:46:46, 0:46:49]: You considered a request for three variances on property. [0:46:49, 0:47:09]: 111 Old Conyers Road to allow for the construction of mixed use development, including commercial and residential uses. The applicant once again is Charlie Hightower on behalf of First National Land Trust, LLC. The property is located on land lot sixty-eight of District twelve, six point seven one acres within the city limits uh stopbridge. Variance case RV twenty twenty four. [0:47:09, 0:47:29]: Council District 4 variants requests RV 2024-02 variants to modify the ground floor retail square footage requirement by changing the residential rental space ratio for the required ratio of 75% to 25% of the proposed ratio of 87.5 to 1. [0:47:29, 0:47:49]: Me, 12.5 percent. The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold a public meeting on Thursday, June 20th, 2024. Uh at 6:30 p.m. The City of Stockbridge Mayor and City Council will hold a public hearing on Monday, July 8th, 2024, at 6 p.m. Stockbridge City Hall, located at 4640 North Annie Boulevard, Stockbridge, Georgia, to consider requests of [0:47:49, 0:48:09]: Three variances of the property 111 Old Conyers Road to allow for the construction of misuse development, including commercial and residential uses. The applicant is Charlie Hightower on behalf of the First National Land Trust LLC, a property located at the landlock 68 of a district 12 of 6.71 acres within the sea limits stop bridge. In a variance case, [0:48:09, 0:48:29]: ARV 2024-03, Council District 4, variance to increase the project destiny from 24 units per acre to 29 units per acre. The City of Stockbridge Planning Commission will hold a public meeting on Thursday, June 20th, 2024, 6:30 p.m. And the City of Stockbridge Mary City Council will hold a public hearing on Monday, July 8th, 2024. [0:48:29, 0:48:49]: It's 6 o'clock p.m. in the Stockbridge City Hall, located at 4640 North Antonio Boulevard in Stockbridge, Georgia, to consider a request for three variances of property at 111 Old Conyers Road to allow for the construction of mixed-use development, including commercial and residential usage. The applicant is Charlie Hightower on behalf of First National Land Trust LLC. The property is located. [0:48:48, 0:48:56]: Located landlot 68 of District 12, 6.71 acres within the city limits stop rate, presented by Mr. Ryan, please. [0:48:57, 0:49:17]: Mr. Ryan Anderson, I'm sorry, please. All right. Good evening. I'll present the cases in the in the order that the mayor read them into the record. The first um case we will address will be the um the comp plan. The applicant is proposing to go from low density residential to special purpose with a proposed density of 29.8 units. [0:49:17, 0:49:30]: units per acre on six point seven one acres of land. Here's a vicinity map. Um the site is highlighted in yellow and uh in the blocks uh are the [0:49:31, 0:49:47]: locations of businesses that are in the area. You got the Stock Bridge Public Works, Downtown Fool Mark, you got Cochrane Park Public Shopping Center, 55 Valley Hill Townhomes, and Diamante Townhomes are all in the vicinity. Here's an aerial photo of the site. [0:49:52, 0:49:59]: This is a um a photo of undeveloped land from a staff site visit on mark on May twenty-first, twenty twenty four. [0:50:00, 0:50:14]: Uh here's the location of the stream. Uh approximately three acres of the site contains floodplain. So here's um once sh uh a shot of one of the flood zone areas on the property. [0:50:16, 0:50:22]: This is the JSJ cleaners. This is the proposed access to the proposed mixed use development. [0:50:28, 0:50:44]: And uh also another lo a shot of the location of the stream and the Brush Creek Commons wetland that is associated with the property. Here's the layout of the proposed development um of the site plan. This is just conceptual and basis. It's subject to change. [0:50:51, 0:51:00]: Uh once again the applicant wanna change from low density resid residential to special purpose to allow for the construction of a mixed use development that would include both commercial and residential uses. [0:51:04, 0:51:24]: Here's the City of Stockbridge comprehensive plan map from 2023 to 2024. And you see that the special purpose district allows a density rate of 16.01 to 24 units per acre. It's a new concept that we recently included in our 2023 to 2028. [0:51:24, 0:51:28]: comprehensive plan that was voted on in October of last year. [0:51:31, 0:51:45]: Here's the future land use map of the uh area. Um you can see that we do do have one property in there in the area that was recently um had a company amendment to go to special purpose with a density rate of 16 units per acre. [0:51:45, 0:51:47]: And it's also on East Atlanta Road. [0:51:50, 0:52:04]: the surrounding um land use densities. You got the Spanish Village Subdivision, which contains 28 units and has a density rate of 1.5 units per acre. You got Duvall subdivision, which has 16 units [0:52:05, 0:52:07]: А то рейда он университет таунхом. [0:52:08, 0:52:09]: У шконтайс 100 units. [0:52:10, 0:52:30]: At a density rate of seven units per acre. D.R. Horton Town Homes, which is in the development phase, has 165 units at a density rate of 6.62 units per acre. 135 East Town Homes was the product I was referencing that was approved by council for a special purpose. [0:52:30, 0:52:38]: Purpose land use category. They have 27 units at a density rate of a little over 16 units per acre. Pine Grove. [0:52:40, 0:52:59]: has 270 units at a density rate of four units per acre. And Pine View has 77 units with 2.4 units per acre. The um the 135 East Atlanta Townhomes is the highest dense project in the city as a look at 16.36 acres per unit. [0:53:03, 0:53:11]: Um as it relates to the comp plans, staff recommend um approval of the change from um suburban residential to PUD. [0:53:14, 0:53:16]: Anyone have any questions before I go into the rezone? [0:53:17, 0:53:23]: Yeah, counselor. Any questions on the first piece there? Yeah, go ahead. Ms. Barber, go ahead. I do. [0:53:23, 0:53:28]: Yes now. Mr Ryan, yes. You said something was subject to change. [0:53:29, 0:53:40]: Uh the the site plan is conceptual. It it could pot it it could potentially change based on the outcome of this meeting tonight. Okay. Based on staff recommendations and whatever else that council may add. [0:53:41, 0:53:43]: Thank you, sir. Okay. [0:53:44, 0:53:51]: Any other questions on the on the first p piece of this? Okay. All right, R Ryan, keep going, sir. Yes, sir. [0:53:52, 0:54:04]: Mayor Ford, I do have a question. Each of these items are gonna be h heard separately? Yeah, well we'll vote on them separately, yes. We'll have to vote on separately. Okay. Thank you, sir. Uh-huh. [0:54:04, 0:54:15]: Uh the applicant is proposing to go from suburban residential to PUD to allow for the construction of a mixed use development that would include both commercial and residential uses. [0:54:17, 0:54:21]: Mr Aaron. Not Mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson. I'm sorry. [0:54:21, 0:54:28]: You wanna vote you wanna vote on right as we I was gonna let him go all the way through. He and I discussed this earlier, but you prefer to vote e on each item as we go along? [0:54:29, 0:54:49]: All right, fine. We uh I mean I guess we could we can do that. Stand by. All right, so anyway, so what we have is well let me just uh say this comprehensive plan amendment, KCP twenty twenty-four-zero two, council district four, and let's say this is in reference to future land designation from low density residential to special purpose to allow for construction of misuse development, including [0:54:49, 0:55:09]: Commercial residential uses. Now, what I saw submitted to us certainly there need to be we we're gonna there's some revisions in the layout and that kind of thing that may be considered. So [0:55:08, 0:55:28]: Once we get to that point, then we would have all the information presented to us and have a full discussion before going back to vote. And you know what and I just thought about something too is a public hearing. I would before we do each I would have to open it up anyway. Right. I've just thought about that. But that's actually what that is actually what Mr. Anderson and I talked about originally, but I just realized something you you you [0:55:28, 0:55:45]: So let's let's stop for a second. All right, got two different types of concepts here. Anybody else got a thought process how you want to proceed on this? Mayor Ford. Considering I'm the district representative for this area. [0:55:46, 0:55:48]: Yeah, I'm not sure. [0:55:48, 0:55:53]: what I am requesting here. Well I considered that we just heard um the presentation. [0:55:54, 0:55:54]: From [0:55:54, 0:55:58]: Mr. Anderson regarding the comprehensive plan amendment. [0:55:58, 0:56:06]: Can we please ask the council if they have any questions? If they don't have any questions, move to the public hearing. [0:56:06, 0:56:08]: After we go through the public hearing. [0:56:08, 0:56:20]: Then the council, if they have any other questions, want to make comments, we do so and we vote on the item. Okay. [0:56:20, 0:56:21]: There is a public hearing. [0:56:22, 0:56:23]: For my district. [0:56:23, 0:56:25]: There's always controversy. [0:56:26, 0:56:27]: Always. [0:56:27, 0:56:28]: Be consistent. [0:56:29, 0:56:30]: That's all I'm asking for. [0:56:30, 0:56:39]: Stand by. All right, counsel. All right. We got two different types of opinions here. Understand? Anybody else got any comments initially before we move forward on anything else? Yes, ma'am. Go ahead, please. [0:56:40, 0:56:45]: Mayor, I don't object to anyone wanting the presentation to be heard. [0:56:46, 0:56:47]: Um [0:56:48, 0:56:49]: for their district [0:56:49, 0:56:54]: But the last couple of times, regardless of whose district it is, I thought we talked about [0:56:55, 0:57:06]: Letting Mr. Anderson go through the entire presentation. That's what I was doing. For all of that's what all of for for each for all of it. So that when we do a public hearing [0:57:06, 0:57:09]: the public can talk in regards to [0:57:09, 0:57:10]: All of it. [0:57:11, 0:57:23]: And then we can come back and d and vote on each single subject item. Right. That's where I was. Because we had done that in the past lately. I just thought that um [0:57:25, 0:57:29]: out of respect for time and constantly saying, okay, are you for this? Are you for this for this? [0:57:30, 0:57:32]: But they what happens is the public gets up. [0:57:33, 0:57:33]: And they're [0:57:34, 0:57:35]: Their discussion [0:57:35, 0:57:37]: Isn't about [0:57:38, 0:57:43]: one agenda line item that we're voting for, they're talking about the entire project. [0:57:43, 0:57:47]: And so m my concern is is that we've [0:57:48, 0:57:52]: We've now formed a pattern that we began working on where [0:57:52, 0:57:55]: Mr. Ryan would give his entire presentation. [0:57:56, 0:57:57]: And then [0:57:58, 0:58:00]: We would vote. No, and then the public [0:58:01, 0:58:15]: We have their comments, whether they're for or against. Right, right, right. And then we would go based off of the agenda item, we wouldn't vote on all of those, we vote one by one per the agenda item. That's correct. And we've been doing that consistently across the board. [0:58:16, 0:58:24]: For all, no matter what district it is. Okay. Stand by. So anybody on this side, you tell me have any comments one way or the other right now? Anybody have any comments on this side? [0:58:25, 0:58:26]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [0:58:27, 0:58:29]: I I I think also um [0:58:30, 0:58:34]: For all of us to have a better understanding of the counts and the community. [0:58:34, 0:58:40]: With mister Anderson going through the full presentation, I'm I'm actually I'm agreeing [0:58:40, 0:58:55]: Uh so when we come in and even when um the citizen have their opportunity, they're looking at the full perspective as opposed to the individual. And I I think and I'm not [0:58:56, 0:59:01]: you know, the controversy whether, you know, we do it this way or that way at different times. [0:59:01, 0:59:07]: I I can't speak to that, but it just seemed logical that mister Anderson complete the full [0:59:07, 0:59:12]: uh presentation and then ask the question. All right. Back to you, Miss Barber. [0:59:13, 0:59:17]: Yes, Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am score. Go ahead. We all know. [0:59:18, 0:59:23]: If the council so chooses not to approve the comprehensive plan amendment. [0:59:24, 0:59:26]: Everything else is irrelevant. [0:59:27, 0:59:28]: That's the very first item. [0:59:29, 0:59:31]: That is the most important item. [0:59:32, 0:59:33]: So yes. [0:59:33, 0:59:36]: Mr. Anderson can c proceed with his [0:59:37, 0:59:40]: presentation full presentation. If you'd like. [0:59:40, 0:59:43]: But we all know this comprehensive plan amendment. [0:59:43, 0:59:45]: If it does not go through [0:59:45, 0:59:53]: We don't need to even hear about the rezoning case, the variance case, any of the variance cases. I don't want to prolong this meeting. [0:59:54, 0:59:55]: All right. [0:59:55, 1:00:15]: I thank you. Okay, for clarification. Clarification. Um, and I do understand the point uh councilwoman barber just made, but it is it my understanding that Mr. Anderson is going to present it all. Yes. But the vote will be individualized. Yeah, that's right. It'll be individual votes, yes sir. Right. Absolutely. Okay. Ms. Ryan, continue. [1:00:15, 1:00:19]: Continue on please. All right. All right. So the applicant is proposing um [1:00:21, 1:00:30]: To go from suburban rezoning to a PUD for um a mixed use development containing two hundred uh apartment units and commercial on the first floor. [1:00:33, 1:00:35]: Here's a look at the zoning map. [1:00:39, 1:00:46]: Here's another look at the layout, the proposed layout. Uh some of this stuff is repetitive from uh my previous presentation. [1:00:48, 1:00:54]: Uh also s something uh really important that this project would be in the tax allocation district for the city of Stockbridge. [1:01:03, 1:01:11]: Uh the distance the project will be point seven miles from the downtown center and point seven miles from the Stockbridge amphitheater. [1:01:14, 1:01:20]: Uh, this is a proposed breakdown in the number of units. Um, there will be a hundred and nineteen, well [1:01:22, 1:01:25]: There will be ninety five studio apartments. [1:01:26, 1:01:42]: 95 one bedrooms, six two bedrooms, and four three bedroom, two baths. That's what the applicant is proposing. Here's a rendering and elevation of the proposed development. You see a five-story um building with commercial down on the ground floor. [1:01:50, 1:02:00]: This is the uh first floor plan. You got retail three sections of retail and um parking on the first floor on the first level. [1:02:10, 1:02:11]: Uh staff basically um [1:02:12, 1:02:19]: recommended um approval with conditions for this proposed for the applicant proposal that the number of units will be reduced from [1:02:21, 1:02:41]: Staff recommend approval with conditions. The first condition is the number of proposed units will be reduced from 200 units to 160 units at a rate of 23.84 units per acre due to the maximum density allowed by the special purpose future land use designation, which is 24 units per acre. Flock cameras will be installed at the entrance of the [1:02:41, 1:02:50]: Mixed use development. On the eastern side of the subject property, a 25 land strip shall be extended past the pool area found in the conceptual site plan. [1:02:50, 1:02:57]: The front facade of the re residential building shall be compr comprised of not less than fifty percent of the combined materials such as brick, stone. [1:02:57, 1:03:00]: or stucco or a combination of brick and stone. [1:03:00, 1:03:04]: The remaining twenty percent may be comprised of stucco shake. [1:03:04, 1:03:06]: And or cementus fibro siding. [1:03:07, 1:03:08]: The side and rear. [1:03:08, 1:03:09]: Uh the side and rear. [1:03:10, 1:03:30]: Facade of the res residential building shall be comprised of any combination of primary materials, including brick, stone, and secondary materials, including stucco shape and/or cement fiberboard, but not to exceed 30% of the entire building. The color shell consists of a cohesive complementary palette, limited use of the [1:03:30, 1:03:37]: The accident color is permitted as long as they are not bright or fluorescent and complement the overall palette of the material. [1:03:37, 1:03:48]: The proposed mixed use development shall not exceed four stories. All parking spaces must be located in the rear of the building per section 2.52H1 of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. [1:03:50, 1:03:56]: Okay, that's that's it for the uh rezoni. Staff recommended approval uh with conditions. [1:03:57, 1:04:17]: Okay. Any questions from thus far about this one? Customary ten foot multi-use path along the frontage. I don't see that you have that on there. Okay, we can add that as and certainly yeah, we start setting the precedence of decorative street lights. That's already in the code, that's why we didn't add it. The decorative street lights are [1:04:17, 1:04:37]: in the code? Uh uh what's sorry? So what was in the code? The sidewalks, the 10-foot sidewalks, that that's mandatory in a way by code. Yeah, but certainly we wanted along the entire frontage. It would be old Conyers Road and uh East Atlanta Road so that these residents and uh uh would be uh beholden to that and certainly [1:04:37, 1:04:57]: The thing that we introduced the last time was the decorative street lights as we attempt to move these standards because that's what's along here as well. So certainly those things had we had discussed in the previous zoning. And certain I and I look at this and I look at what we did over at [1:04:57, 1:05:17]: Jodeco certainly with when the final layout is done. I think Jodeco is really the template of where we really need to go in terms of how it's developed with the parking enclosed, around, not visible. You know, the old school is you drive. [1:05:16, 1:05:36]: up and you're looking at the back of cars and you're looking at this unattractive parking lot versus the new standard where Jodeco set out to do, which is to have the building front the street and then have the parking uh be wrapped and enclosed uh inside that so uh you know as well and then the stairwells would be hidden [1:05:36, 1:05:47]: uh inside the structure where it would look like the Jodico looks, which is the town home look, versus looking like a traditional apartment kind of setup. [1:05:53, 1:05:55]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, Mayor Prota. [1:05:55, 1:06:15]: Uh Mr. Anderson, can you go back to the slide regarding the uh ratio of the apartments? I sa I think I saw the uh a higher proportion of studio apartments as opposed to two and three. That may have been because they originally proposed two hundred and fifty-seven units. So we've uh um we've had them to cut it down. When they first submitted it was [1:06:15, 1:06:22]: I think like two hundred and fifty seven. Is that what you're looking for? Yes. And and so what's the uh [1:06:22, 1:06:26]: N now they're proposing uh two hundred, but staff is recommending a hundred and sixty. [1:06:27, 1:06:47]: And of the hundred and sixty, how many are studios? Uh they haven't they haven't come back because we haven't come back. We don't know the outcome of this meeting yet. Okay. So certain certainly when they do come back, I I I think we should probably put more of a focus on um multifamily, like a larger family, like two and three bedrooms than so many studios. It seemed like there was a a higher [1:06:47, 1:06:51]: Yes, it was. Mm-hmm. [1:06:55, 1:06:57]: So you were proposing that as a potential condition? [1:06:58, 1:07:00]: You got this. I'm right there now. [1:07:01, 1:07:05]: Yes, but what what's uh okay. I you can y well yes yes ma'am, go ahead, please. [1:07:07, 1:07:13]: Um, I kinda begged to differ if I can I can't really see this number of studios. I I kinda get it though. [1:07:14, 1:07:18]: It's ninety five, ninety five, um six two bedrooms and [1:07:19, 1:07:23]: Four three bedrooms. Well, the the more multifamily you have [1:07:25, 1:07:28]: It becomes it seems like to me [1:07:29, 1:07:49]: Um the trend is more like for yuppies, young urban professionals. So if you if you mi get more three bedroom, you're talking a different type of atmosphere compared to the commercial at the bottom, this live, work and play environment where those families [1:07:49, 1:07:54]: usually go to maybe a home a a home or start a home. [1:07:55, 1:08:03]: instead of like a studio that looks like this is more for young urban professionals. So the studios are more popular. [1:08:03, 1:08:04]: Thank you. [1:08:04, 1:08:24]: Also think of more like roommate style as well. So like if you have a roommate, two working people who who are sharing the load or maybe even an office. Yeah. Definitely more two bed I was thinking more two bedrooms. Yeah. Because the the number is I think four. Four, three, and six, two. Two six six two bedrooms. Yeah. [1:08:24, 1:08:33]: Yeah. Um for instance, um, there's an apartment complex that is being built in my area. Um [1:08:34, 1:08:38]: And it's uh supposed to have a lot of commercial components to it. [1:08:38, 1:08:58]: And they may have a two-bedroom, but that that second bedroom is really like an office space. Exactly. Exactly. Um, it's small. So you know, there's no playground that's a part of this development. So the probably the more the feel and the vibe and intentions, I guess we can listen to you know, one of the [1:08:58, 1:09:04]: developers or whatever was for a particular crowd. Okay. That's what that's purpose was. [1:09:05, 1:09:07]: Any other comments on this issue, this particular issue? [1:09:08, 1:09:18]: I do. I'll go right. Mr. Anderson, can you talk about the the bottom floor of this proposed development? Okay. The commercial component. [1:09:24, 1:09:26]: Let me find that slide, Councilmember Barker. [1:09:29, 1:09:33]: Okay, here's this the first floor, yes. So there's [1:09:36, 1:09:50]: There are three store frontages for um residential stores. Like I said, this probably will change after tonight, more than likely will, but this is what they're proposed originally. [1:09:51, 1:09:51]: So [1:09:54, 1:09:58]: Со диспропос чан то за спас рачь. [1:09:59, 1:10:02]: Was that something suggested by staff or was that? [1:10:02, 1:10:22]: Well they they applied for a variance that's one of the variances. They tried to they wanted to have a uh a a certain percentage of residential versus commercial. So that's but there there is no provision in the UDC for that. There's nothing in the code regulating that. So we tossed that variance out. But it was advertised so we kept it down. [1:10:22, 1:10:25]: But we will we won't really discuss it tonight. [1:10:26, 1:10:36]: Thank you, sir. Um Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. Um, I do have a series of concerns in regards to this proposal. Um [1:10:37, 1:10:40]: One, I think we the council. [1:10:41, 1:10:44]: Just had discussions in regards to Splost. [1:10:45, 1:10:46]: He's lost. [1:10:47, 1:10:52]: There was no mention of any infrastructure improvements along. [1:10:52, 1:10:53]: East Atlanta Road. [1:10:54, 1:10:55]: Nor O'Connors Road. [1:10:56, 1:10:59]: The area is already congested. [1:11:00, 1:11:03]: I know that we cannot consider roads. [1:11:03, 1:11:04]: As a [1:11:05, 1:11:07]: point to deny any [1:11:07, 1:11:08]: Zoning. [1:11:09, 1:11:10]: Applications. [1:11:12, 1:11:18]: The slide that you showed with the uh surrounding land use. Yes. [1:11:18, 1:11:20]: Can you show that again, please? [1:11:23, 1:11:23]: Okay. [1:11:24, 1:11:28]: So the Spanish village subdivision [1:11:29, 1:11:31]: Which is this the one you're talking about? [1:11:31, 1:11:36]: No, um in our books is page three. [1:11:36, 1:11:37]: Page three. [1:11:38, 1:11:42]: The title is Surrounding Land Use Densities. [1:11:44, 1:11:51]: It's a chart that shows the name of the subdivisions, okay. The developments, the units, the estimate density per acres. [1:11:53, 1:11:54]: Right here. [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: Right. That that one. Right there. Yes. Um Spanish Village Subdivision. [1:12:03, 1:12:07]: Is that off East Atlanta or O'Connors Road? Yes. [1:12:07, 1:12:19]: Okay. Um this H H Duval subdivision. Yeah, these are all the surrounding um no no similar developments. I'm asking specifically about East Atlanta and Old Connors Roads. Okay. Yeah. [1:12:20, 1:12:25]: is this H H Duval subdivision that's off East Atlanta. [1:12:25, 1:12:26]: Let me see. [1:12:27, 1:12:38]: Or old Conyers.'Cause I'm I just want to focus on those developments or land uses that are within a mile. [1:12:40, 1:12:42]: of this proposed development. [1:12:43, 1:12:45]: You've listed Pine Grove and Pineview. [1:12:46, 1:12:51]: They're both more than two, three miles from this proposed development. [1:12:51, 1:12:55]: I just wanna look at just a slide with the with the with the streets on it. [1:12:55, 1:12:56]: Sorry, say it again. [1:12:57, 1:13:02]: I said I I pulled up the slide that has the streets. Okay. The addresses on I mean the struct the roads on it. [1:13:03, 1:13:05]: Okay, this H H Duval subdivision. [1:13:06, 1:13:07]: Where is that? [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: Uh it's down at the bo at the south of Spanish Village. Uh right in front of Clark Community Park. Um Oh okay, so that's not even anywhere near. It's in the vicinity. Oh we try to get it anywhere near where all of them are. It's at least two, three miles away. The Del Monte town homes is [1:13:27, 1:13:31]: um close by. The D. R. Horton town homes [1:13:31, 1:13:33]: have been approved and they are [1:13:33, 1:13:35]: close by to this development. [1:13:36, 1:13:38]: The one thirty five east town homes. [1:13:39, 1:13:42]: It's closed. Are those the twenty seven three story townhomes? Yes. Okay. [1:13:44, 1:13:46]: All right, so [1:13:46, 1:13:47]: For me [1:13:47, 1:13:53]: Looking at just if you'll go back to that slide that shows the surrounding land use densities. [1:13:55, 1:13:56]: It's only three of them. [1:13:57, 1:14:07]: That are in the vicinity of where this proposed development will be. The Del Monte town homes, the D.R. Horton town homes, and the 135 East Town homes. [1:14:09, 1:14:09]: Okay. [1:14:12, 1:14:26]: Well we just expanded our vis vicinity out a little further just to incorporate um similar developments. Okay. Town home developments, anything MFR. These are town homes in single vam family homes. [1:14:28, 1:14:29]: There are no apartments. [1:14:30, 1:14:34]: No, there are no apartments. Okay. Yes. Thank you, sir. All right. [1:14:35, 1:14:48]: Go go ahead, sir. Yeah, the last note that I had was uh the E V charging station r that we uh implemented in several developments to would be certainly a condition I would suggest. Yes, sir. Thank you. Got that. All right. [1:14:49, 1:14:58]: Right. Uh any other question on this particular part? If you I want to um I want to go to the um the traffic study that they go ahead. Um [1:14:59, 1:14:59]: Who was her? [1:15:01, 1:15:21]: Um they have a traffic study. Uh and um we did look at this uh analysis of their um traffic study and it stated that one of the reasons why we went with the um with a higher density base was based particularly on some information from the traffic. [1:15:21, 1:15:40]: traffic study um stating that um the road and infrastructure system could handle the increase of uh traffic increase of daily trips from this development. So they did do a traffic study and that's the chart on the on the screen now. [1:15:40, 1:15:40]: Okay. [1:15:42, 1:15:49]: Yes sir. Yes ma'am, sorry. Go ahead please. Okay, so they've already performed a traffic study. Yes, ma'am. Um [1:15:50, 1:15:52]: Del Monte Townhomes. [1:15:52, 1:15:54]: The ones with the two hundred? [1:15:54, 1:15:59]: units. Yes. Mm they are still in the process of building. So [1:16:00, 1:16:01]: You won't capture [1:16:02, 1:16:03]: The travel. [1:16:03, 1:16:03]: Yes. [1:16:04, 1:16:05]: On this traffic study. [1:16:06, 1:16:06]: Nor would I [1:16:07, 1:16:09]: Have any traffic count? [1:16:09, 1:16:13]: For the D R Horton town homes, that's a hundred and sixty five units. [1:16:14, 1:16:26]: That's true. I don't know if this traffic study is really even valid um at this point. Is there an engineer here to speak in on behalf of this traffic study? [1:16:28, 1:16:29]: Uh do you have the engineering? [1:16:32, 1:16:36]: No, he's not. They're injured their trafficking is not present. Thank you, sir. All right. [1:16:39, 1:16:45]: I have no other question on this portion, then uh Ms. Ryan, continue on please. Okay, now I'll go into the um variances. [1:16:49, 1:17:09]: Uh applicants are requesting the variant to reduce the parking requirements according to the number of bedrooms per unit. So um, and modify the ground floor retail ratio square footage by changing the residential to retail ratio from the required 75 to 25 to a proposed 87.5%. [1:17:09, 1:17:29]: To 12.5 and increase um number two. Uh like I previously mentioned, there is no provision in the UDC for this. So this will be contingent upon uh the conceptual site plan that is approved by um council tonight um in the conditions uh because he's going to PUD and um [1:17:29, 1:17:30]: Yeah. [1:17:30, 1:17:36]: the the zoning will be a will be based on the PUD zoning. So the site plan will be conditioned on on the zoning. [1:17:36, 1:17:37]: Based on [1:17:38, 1:17:58]: What we come to agreement to on tonight. And the last one is increase the project density from 24 units per acre to 29 units per acre. Staff recommend a reduction in the total required number of um parking spaces to 30 by by 30. Uh the calculation that the applicant did was um was off because it was [1:17:58, 1:18:18]: was based on 257. So they were closer to the um to meeting the parking requirement than they originally proposed because they they they uh went down to a reduction of 200 units and uh and we don't know what type of commercial spaces they will have now um that won't be resolved until later uh after the meeting [1:18:18, 1:18:18]: And uh [1:18:19, 1:18:39]: So the we'll we recommend approval of a parking reduction of 30 units for variance number one. And uh variance number two, modifying the ground retail square footage requirement by changing the residential to retail space ratio from the required 75 to 25 to a proposed ratio of 87.5 to 12.5. Like I previously mentioned, that will be. [1:18:39, 1:18:50]: be part of the um of the conceptual site plan, uh the approved site plan that the zoning will be conditioned on. So whatever the applicant proposed in his final site plan, it will be conditioned on that number. [1:18:51, 1:19:07]: uh increase the project density from twenty-four units per acre to twenty-nine units per acre. Um staff recommended denial on that one because our comp plan do not allow a density rate in the city of Stockbridge over twenty-four units per acre. As I previously mentioned the the most dense project in the city. [1:19:08, 1:19:20]: It's currently sixteen point three six units per acre. Um the applicant's proposal twenty-nine units per acre would be more than a fifty percent increase over what is currently allowed in the city. And we just recently um [1:19:21, 1:19:24]: Updated our comp plan to increase our density rate from [1:19:24, 1:19:38]: from a high of sixteen units per acre to twenty-four units per acre. So um at this time stealth doesn't feel like twenty-nine per unit per acre is feasible and nor is it in in uh compliance with the UDC. So we have to recommend denial on that one. [1:19:40, 1:19:41]: So that's it. [1:19:41, 1:20:01]: All right. Any questions, Council, before we open up public hearing? Any additional questions thus far? Uh yes, go ahead, Ms. Thomas. Um I don't see Mr. Aaron. Um Okay. Maybe Mr. Gardner could expound on this. Mr. Gardner, could you come to the podium please? [1:20:05, 1:20:16]: Mr. Gardner, I know from our perspective and in uh approving or not approving many of these developments. [1:20:16, 1:20:34]: I want to sort of get into the impact that it would have on the city as far as our responsibilities, especially public works. Um, can you express any I guess concerns or [1:20:35, 1:20:38]: how it will impact, you know, public works. [1:20:38, 1:20:58]: the city's responsibility um with developments as we are sort of going forward because you know over time um as we continue to develop the city uh is from our perspective are we keeping up. It's public work [1:20:58, 1:21:00]: Yeah. [1:21:01, 1:21:07]: Yes. So this development obviously because of where it's located would be on city water and sewer. [1:21:08, 1:21:13]: By where it's located. Um, as you know, the majority of the city and when new development is happening. [1:21:13, 1:21:16]: Uh, a lot of that is actually Henry County. [1:21:17, 1:21:37]: um water and sewer or further north from here, there's Clayton County water and sewer um that also serves par parts of the city. But this would be on our water and sewer. It's my understanding that the water and sewer infrastructure is adequate to serve this proposal in terms of its [1:21:37, 1:21:57]: Capacity, uh daily load. Um, obviously, uh they did a traffic study, so there'll be traffic generated on the on the roadways. Um we just think we just resurfaced old Konyas, if I'm not mistaken. Um and then I think the um as it relates to East Atlanta Railway [1:21:57, 1:22:00]: Road. I think that's on the splos, if I'm not mistaken. [1:22:00, 1:22:01]: On the county side. [1:22:02, 1:22:06]: Um and as well as on our side, but obviously that has to be approved. [1:22:07, 1:22:13]: Um, for splus six. Um, outside of that, I mean it's a wholly private development on private land. [1:22:13, 1:22:19]: Um the impacts would obviously be just cars coming in and out, but that's typical. You have it over there at the shopping center. [1:22:20, 1:22:20]: Um [1:22:21, 1:22:39]: the water and sewer is adequate enough to serve this development. Um obviously at some point as development happens in that corridor, even more so, we have to look at capacity for new development. How do we improve um our ability to treat um sewer in that area? [1:22:43, 1:22:57]: Yeah, Mr. Alzheimer's. Yeah, talk about I didn't say what about uh in terms of the improvements, the traffic improvements, uh XL and D cell lane required on these particular properties for act or during the uh ingress and egress? [1:22:58, 1:23:03]: Yes, there will be um let me go back, see what the study says. [1:23:43, 1:23:46]: Yeah, he got in presentation mode. [1:23:50, 1:23:50]: Mm-hmm. [1:23:55, 1:24:00]: That's the ingress, ingress. Deceleration line. Yeah, where? [1:24:02, 1:24:04]: Yeah. [1:24:04, 1:24:05]: Yeah. [1:24:09, 1:24:10]: Which way? Oh. [1:24:14, 1:24:15]: Okay, uh I [1:24:15, 1:24:17]: Yeah, they are and have counsel my melee down. [1:24:18, 1:24:21]: Okay, so so they are on there? Yes, they're. Right in there. [1:24:24, 1:24:36]: And the other thing that I think that they were doing now in these uh multi fa is like a school bus shelter or something like that where there's a central pickup location for the kids. Okay, so you do have that is in there. [1:24:37, 1:24:52]: We can add it as a condition, but it's required by code. Just wanna make sure that that that is applicable. Okay, just wanna make sure it's there. All right. [1:24:54, 1:25:09]: Any other questions right now? Miss Barber first am I? Ms. Barber, go ahead, but Mr. Anderson, there is only one entry and exit point to this development, proposed development, correct? Um I think let me double check. I think so. [1:25:10, 1:25:10]: Mm-hmm. [1:25:20, 1:25:21]: Thought they had more and more. [1:25:24, 1:25:25]: Second yeah. [1:25:33, 1:25:34]: So there are um [1:25:36, 1:25:37]: Yeah. [1:25:39, 1:25:43]: There's a one, two, looks like three. [1:25:45, 1:25:46]: What are you counting? [1:25:47, 1:25:47]: Let's see. [1:25:49, 1:25:57]: I see this main entrance off the the intersection of Old Cunnyers and East Atlanta Road. And you see this where my cursor is? [1:25:58, 1:25:58]: Mm-hmm. [1:25:59, 1:26:00]: That's just one. [1:26:01, 1:26:05]: What about the what about it? Entry and exit point. So it's two. [1:26:06, 1:26:07]: Two [1:26:08, 1:26:11]: If you see if you follow what my curse is, when you follow the pink arrow. [1:26:12, 1:26:17]: That's one access point. Yeah, then you come up to the front right here. Oh it's off of O'Connor's. [1:26:19, 1:26:19]: Correct. [1:26:20, 1:26:25]: Why yes, yes, yes. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Garner, I know we talked about [1:26:28, 1:26:40]: Did they consider anything off of East Atlanta Road? With this kind of density, um with this kind of density, there needs to be multiple access points and this doesn't have it. [1:26:44, 1:27:00]: So in order for them to be able to get off onto Old Cornis Road, they would have one, this is the only point of con not Old Cornish but Eastern Landa Road. This area here is the only area where they actually truly abuts Eastern Landa Road. [1:27:00, 1:27:20]: I'm sorry, ma'am. So if you see my curse the cursor moving right here. Mm-hmm. That is the only area where their property line actually abuts East Atlanta Road. Most of their frontage is on old corners. So they wouldn't be able to get um an access point at this point at this point because it's so close to the the intersection. Uh like [1:27:20, 1:27:40]: There's no way that it could get that that that would be approved. Um, it would just cost chaos. Um outside of that, they would have to acquire property on the other side, cross that creek and the wetlands, which obviously would be cost prohibitive, acquire land and then be able to get an access point onto [1:27:40, 1:27:50]: um onto Eastern Lana Road. That's the only place they can. Most of their frontage is on old Cornus and that's where they're illustrating their access point into the property. [1:27:51, 1:27:51]: Okay. [1:27:54, 1:27:58]: Thank you, sir. Mr. Thomas. Um [1:27:58, 1:27:59]: Uh [1:27:59, 1:28:09]: Two two things. I really had really one question, but that discussion led me into the second one. And and I know we don't get into traffic, but [1:28:10, 1:28:14]: Thing one of the things that I'm concerned about on old Cunny is [1:28:14, 1:28:22]: and with the various schools down the street, especially Stockbridge High School, uh football season and graduation. [1:28:24, 1:28:44]: It is crazy on old cunions. And I just don't know how this is going to affect folks living in that subdivision when it comes to football season and graduation. I just want to throw that out. My original question, uh [1:28:44, 1:29:04]: Dennis, if you could just go back to street lights, and I just want to be clear and I wanted everybody to be clear about it. Who pays for that? I just want that to be out. I I'm okay with it, but I just want to make sure that everyone understands these decorative poles of streetlights. [1:29:04, 1:29:05]: Like, who pays for that? [1:29:07, 1:29:09]: But we request the data. [1:29:09, 1:29:15]: Yeah. Well I I'm just saying I just want it to be spoken. Yeah, that the app the developer. Yeah. [1:29:17, 1:29:20]: I I just wanted to be spoken out loud. [1:29:20, 1:29:30]: That the d H O A will have to pay the um the the street light bill for the development. Thank you. Yeah, put that as a condition too case it isn't. [1:29:31, 1:29:36]: All right, any other questions right now? Um Mr. Hightower is here, is that correct? [1:29:37, 1:29:38]: Yes, sir. [1:29:38, 1:29:40]: Represent. Come come on up, sir, please. [1:29:41, 1:29:41]: Well. [1:29:44, 1:29:51]: Your name and address uh Cassius Coleman, uh five ten Stone Glen Chase, City of South Fulton. [1:29:52, 1:29:55]: He she wasn't able to hear the Cross got to hear speaking of mic, please. [1:29:55, 1:29:59]: Cassius Coleman, five ten, Stone Glenn Chase. [1:29:59, 1:30:01]: City of South Fulton. [1:30:02, 1:30:09]: Okay, so you're representing Mr. Hightower here, I guess. Uh I'm the developer. Uh Charlie is the uh I call him the horizontal guy. I'm the vertical guy. [1:30:10, 1:30:30]: Okay. So anything that you need to say to the council before we open the public hearing or anything that you or the mayor have some questions, the council may have a question for you specifically. Go ahead, sir. Uh absolutely. Uh first and foremost, I want to say thank you for at least getting this far and uh staff for approving uh most of what we're asking for. Um uh we [1:30:30, 1:30:40]: We chose Stockbridge for obvious reasons. It's it's a really great place. Uh we actually have a development over in McDonough, so we're familiar with Henry County. Um [1:30:40, 1:30:44]: And saw that this was a pretty good opportunity based on the location. [1:30:45, 1:30:46]: А і хай майже [1:30:47, 1:30:49]: you know, grocery store across the street. [1:30:49, 1:31:00]: with some retail um and then your proximity to what I'm considering um a place where everybody comes and having development [1:31:00, 1:31:08]: You know, in a strategic location like that, I think does a lot for the city. Um, I couldn't believe this property was actually available. [1:31:09, 1:31:10]: Um [1:31:10, 1:31:10]: So [1:31:11, 1:31:13]: Іно, ам'їрс, а гит. [1:31:13, 1:31:16]: Um people are always concerned about development. [1:31:16, 1:31:17]: But [1:31:17, 1:31:22]: Uh, we're doing a project in uh Union City right now. It's three hundred twenty units. [1:31:22, 1:31:23]: Five acres of [1:31:23, 1:31:24]: commercial. [1:31:25, 1:31:31]: Uh now granted, same issues came up because people that live in communities sometimes do not like to see [1:31:32, 1:31:33]: Um I I won't say [1:31:34, 1:31:36]: Anything but they only want to see what they want. [1:31:36, 1:31:39]: But to get what you want sometimes you have to [1:31:39, 1:31:41]: Sacrifice a little bit. [1:31:41, 1:31:43]: Density brings a lot. [1:31:44, 1:31:45]: It brings [1:31:45, 1:32:00]: better businesses, more development, more tax dollars. And I think that's you know that's how you grow. I think there are thirty-five, thirty-six thousand folks in um Stockbridge. Um [1:32:00, 1:32:04]: And it's probably comfortable and I know sometimes density scares people, but [1:32:05, 1:32:11]: I I just think it makes sense. Um and the type of development we're trying to do and we are trying to to your point [1:32:11, 1:32:12]: Um [1:32:13, 1:32:20]: You know, workforce, younger folks, downtown supporting the businesses. Um, I'm actually doing a senior development in [1:32:21, 1:32:21]: And um [1:32:22, 1:32:24]: In the city of South Fulton, in the Santa area. [1:32:24, 1:32:25]: Uh [1:32:26, 1:32:26]: And [1:32:28, 1:32:33]: You know, the city council woman that came to me and asked for that because they didn't have any market rate senior. [1:32:34, 1:32:35]: And they're growing. [1:32:35, 1:32:42]: At an exponential rate, as you already know, and so is Union City, because they are allowing some of this development, although they hate apartments. [1:32:43, 1:32:59]: But they know they need them in order to k continue to grow. Increase your tax space. This is a fifty million dollar project. Um I I I think the positives far outweigh the negatives. Okay. Council, kind of questions you may have. Ms. Gantt, go ahead, please. [1:33:00, 1:33:05]: Mayor, I don't have a question. I have more so of a comment to my colleagues and just in general. [1:33:05, 1:33:08]: I think this type of development is [1:33:08, 1:33:12]: Well the last time we went on a retreat, we saw an area that we really liked. [1:33:13, 1:33:17]: And we saw the type of lifestyle, the living [1:33:17, 1:33:37]: And the different developments that were nearby. I think this fits because it's literally almost right across the street from a park, right? And it's so close to our amphitheater. It is close, it's gonna be close to our uh youth and senior our community center. I call it community center, but youth and senior center, it's gonna be close to [1:33:37, 1:33:43]: [5624.1, 5627.4]: a great example of what we want our downtown [1:33:47, 1:34:07]: To be. And it's in our downtown area. It's within that vicinity. And I appreciate you bringing this development to us. Um, I say that because it's part to me, it's part of our vision and it makes sense. Um, when we look on other areas that we want to do something very similar. [1:34:07, 1:34:09]: Similar. [1:34:10, 1:34:16]: That may cause us to have to buy a lot of properties or homes or whatever, but we have a developer that's ready to go. [1:34:17, 1:34:23]: And um it's something that we've been planning and longing for and I so I I love it. I love the idea. [1:34:23, 1:34:30]: because it fits within what we are trying to do for our downtown. And it is in our downtown. So thank you. [1:34:30, 1:34:38]: Yeah, talk about you said uh good. I'm glad you're already in the community already. What development is that in McDonough? [1:34:38, 1:34:58]: Um so our JV partner uh Dominium um did a deal. I'm that's been about four years ago. Uh it's about two hundred and forty plus units. Um those are apartments, but that was a tax credit deal. So a lot different from what we're saying, which is market rate. So that [1:34:58, 1:35:13]: That's a huge difference actually. Certainly. Uh that's a that's a big deal. Um talk about uh you said you're doing something over in in Union City too. Talk about that project a little bit. Yeah, so um right at the corner of Hall Road and Highway 92. [1:35:14, 1:35:25]: directly across from a public's, uh 21 acres, uh 320 units, and five acres of uh commercial fronting um Highway 92. [1:35:25, 1:35:45]: which is right down the street from Langston Hughes High School, Renaissance, and I mean so so many similarities. I mean it you you can't make this up. It's very similar. And um uh Mayor Vince uh really welcomed it. Now they have a tremendous amount of jobs have come to that area. [1:35:45, 1:36:04]: But once again, that's how you attract. You know, you got Grady that just announced, you know, two months ago or a little bit less, they're putting a new hospital over there. So that's how you get these other uses into a community. You have to have the bodies to support it. [1:36:04, 1:36:24]: Well certainly we've seen that over at Joe Dakota density has really paid off. Talk about the ameniti this is the lifestyle that they deserve uh is that the the these amenities, the young people want to be there on the f on the property to be able to use these amenities. Talk about the amenities that you included in your various projects. Um so [1:36:24, 1:36:25]: Uh [1:36:26, 1:36:46]: A lot of it's based on the property itself, what we can do outside versus inside. You know, the basic stuff will be there, the gym and uh storage lockers, um, uh obviously a pool. Um uh we like to do amenity decks, gazebos, uh a lot of things to get people out of the units. [1:36:46, 1:36:50]: Uh the same thing we do with our seniors. Uh we want them out of the units, out of the building. [1:36:51, 1:37:07]: because you know that's a better lifestyle. So we try to plant as much around the outside of the property as we can, uh walking trails, uh dog parks if there's enough land. We're doing that in Union City, by the way. We have a dog park um and we're [1:37:07, 1:37:22]: Because we have twenty one acres, we're even doing private garages. So um a lot of it is really, really based on now. We're limited here because of the weapons. We would like to do a lot more. Uh we're just gonna make that green space, obviously. [1:37:22, 1:37:32]: So the the private garages are always something that the residents like, especially the young people. And uh talk about um your god uh your [1:37:34, 1:37:45]: I uh lost my train of thought there. I'm sorry, we'll come back to it. Thank you. Uh Mr. Thomas Quay, sir. Uh Mayor, my last question. Um [1:37:45, 1:38:05]: Sir, over the years we've had in the city of Stark Bridge many uh focused groups um asking citizens what they want to see in Stark Bridge, in particular downtown. And what I like about mixed use, uh I really like the commercial. [1:38:05, 1:38:06]: [5886.9, 5906.9]: I know it's a little premature and you may not be able to speak to the type of commercial and I know that these are not standalone, you know, commercial entities. Um, but do you have any focus that you may can expound on as far as [1:38:26, 1:38:30]: what some of that commercial may look like. [1:38:30, 1:38:50]: Um I would be lying if I said yes. However, we use the shopping center group, which is probably the number one um brokerage firm in the country, uh at least in the southeast. We're using them over in Union City. I'm using them on a property down in Deerfield Beach. Um they basically are [1:38:50, 1:39:10]: Charged with doing the feasibility study to see what works and what doesn't. Now, as I spoke to staff, uh we're all we're very open to what you don't want, and you can put that in the conditions. No liquor stores, no, you know, all the kind of stuff that most neighborhoods don't want to see. Um we're we're on board for that, but uh [1:39:09, 1:39:16]: Um I'm gonna leave that up to the people who know that space the best, uh which is the shopping center group. [1:39:18, 1:39:38]: Okay, let me I got caught my train of thought. So in terms of where we're trying to go, like you said, the you know the the professional. So what is the uh the target for your rates in terms of a one bedroom, two bedroom? Quality certainly dictates a higher price. Well, y you you're gonna make me say this now. That's why we asked for more density. [1:39:38, 1:39:42]: Um uh the the issues with development now, we got high interest rates. [1:39:43, 1:39:45]: Uh construction costs are still somewhat inflated. [1:39:46, 1:39:48]: So great. [1:39:48, 1:39:51]: You know, higher unit count uh will improve your yield. [1:39:52, 1:40:10]: And basically that that's how you get financed. Um more is always better, but doesn't always work. So we understand that. Um but we're we're looking at, you know, for one bedroom, fourteen, fifteen hundred dollars, uh be well, I'm sorry. [1:40:10, 1:40:19]: depending on the size. We're about a buck fifty a square foot is what we think is going to come in at. And that's pretty much standard, I think, for the area. [1:40:20, 1:40:22]: So a thousand square feet would be about fourteen hundred dollars. [1:40:23, 1:40:26]: See, we're getting about seventeen or eighteen hundred over at Jodico. [1:40:27, 1:40:47]: Okay. Well we that's I would love to get that. That's that's the old template that we were looking for, but yeah, that rate has changed since the development quality has changed over there. So they're, you know, getting upwards of twenty five, twenty six hundred for three minute rule. I I don't think that's feasible in a lot of places to be quite frank, and and we don't want to [1:40:47, 1:41:07]: get there. Now we're not gonna sacrifice quality, you know, for that, but um um have to be real careful about it. I'm not trying to encourage you to raise the price. Oh no no I understand I'm not trying to do that. I just want to see where you're gonna be at and just have you kind of calibrate the market uh in terms of that down there. That's the higher end and [1:41:07, 1:41:13]: And then certainly so you're talking about maybe around four fifteen hundred or something like that. Yeah. But when a two bedroom would be what? [1:41:13, 1:41:26]: Uh, I would say somewhere around eighteen, nineteen hundred dollars. Okay. So your target demographic would probably be f you know, the so like police officers, firefighters, the professionals, the teachers. [1:41:26, 1:41:46]: Yeah, hopefully we're we're looking at there's a average medium income here about 72,000. So, you know, we take that into consideration when we're s you know talking about rents to make sure it's affordable for um our public workers as well as teachers, um, so on and so forth. So because you can't can't price yourself out of the market. [1:41:47, 1:42:07]: Right. And that's why I'm asking to make sure that it is affordable for i because you know, certainly those are getting up seven, eighteen, nineteen hundred is getting m very much expensive for those professionals. So you're kinda hitting kind of where we need to be at to make sure that it is affordable uh to go in the community. So I was trying to gauge where you were. [1:42:07, 1:42:12]: As opposed to where they were. So that that's your target. That's a pretty good target. That's what we're looking at. [1:42:12, 1:42:26]: Okay, and and are you opposed to any prohibitions such as things like we have in the city, vape shops, assignment shops, or type of specific types of businesses? You you can put in there anything you want. Uh I clearly understand that. [1:42:27, 1:42:37]: Certainly,'cause we're trying to draw a better type business and we don't just want anything opening up. We want to have well there will be some prohibitions that we already have. Understood. Associated. Yes. Thanks. [1:42:38, 1:42:39]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:42:40, 1:42:42]: Yes. Thank you, Sarah. Um [1:42:43, 1:42:52]: I don't want you to think that I am completely opposed to developments. I support the re revitalization of our city. [1:42:52, 1:42:54]: And our downtown. [1:42:54, 1:42:55]: I do. [1:42:56, 1:42:58]: I have the unique responsibility. [1:42:59, 1:43:05]: Of caring for those residents who live in the area, and I've spoken with them. [1:43:06, 1:43:07]: Um [1:43:09, 1:43:15]: I don't know a whole lot about urban planning, but I do know when it comes to apartments. [1:43:15, 1:43:18]: Those are supposed to be in order. [1:43:18, 1:43:18]: I guess [1:43:20, 1:43:21]: To align with smart growth. [1:43:22, 1:43:23]: They would be developed. [1:43:23, 1:43:24]: During [1:43:25, 1:43:28]: Along major corridors. [1:43:28, 1:43:32]: and highways, such as the apartments that Councilwoman Gantt mentioned. [1:43:33, 1:43:35]: It's along Highway one thirty eight. Mm-hmm. [1:43:36, 1:43:37]: Um [1:43:38, 1:43:40]: I suppose the [1:43:40, 1:43:45]: a hundred and fifty plus town homes that were approved off of North [1:43:46, 1:43:47]: Henry Boulevard. [1:43:48, 1:43:52]: with what used to be Henderson and Sons Mortuary. [1:43:53, 1:43:55]: Those could have been apartments. [1:43:55, 1:43:57]: Um as opposed to town homes. [1:43:58, 1:44:02]: But to have these amount of town, these amount apartments. [1:44:03, 1:44:05]: In the interior, roads. [1:44:05, 1:44:06]: is a bit concerning. [1:44:07, 1:44:08]: It's going to clog up the area. [1:44:09, 1:44:11]: We're challenged because we have the railroad. [1:44:11, 1:44:12]: That's right there. [1:44:14, 1:44:14]: Um [1:44:17, 1:44:32]: Have you considered town homes or even single family homes in this particular area? Uh not for this property, primarily because uh the wetland issue. We just don't have enough acreage to make make it work. [1:44:33, 1:44:34]: I understand. Yes. [1:44:34, 1:44:35]: Um [1:44:35, 1:44:36]: When I think about [1:44:37, 1:44:38]: A development. [1:44:38, 1:44:40]: Across from Cochran Park. [1:44:40, 1:44:41]: It's a park. [1:44:42, 1:44:44]: You think about families. [1:44:44, 1:44:47]: Most of the units that are being proposed [1:44:48, 1:45:00]: are a studio and one bedroom. It's not a family. Um it's you're targeting single professionals, but the area is more conducive to [1:45:00, 1:45:02]: Families where kids will enjoy. [1:45:03, 1:45:04]: The park across the street. [1:45:07, 1:45:09]: I'm finding it challenging to try to [1:45:09, 1:45:10]: Make this fit. [1:45:11, 1:45:11]: Right now. [1:45:12, 1:45:13]: I certainly appreciate [1:45:13, 1:45:21]: The fact that this proposal is a mixed use development that offers some commercial component to it. [1:45:21, 1:45:24]: Are there any commercial commitments? [1:45:25, 1:45:31]: You have already? Um no, we don't know what we've been approved for yet, so yeah. Um [1:45:36, 1:45:56]: And to speak to your um to the park issue, um, I mean, young adults use uh I got a development we're doing on the belt line. They use it and it's nothing but single folks to be quite frank, and they use it a lot. Westside park is highly used by families for sure, but a bunch of [1:45:56, 1:46:16]: uh younger folks for sure. So I think everybody can enjoy the part collectively. And I know where you're coming from, uh when you say families mixing with uh just say much younger d demographic of single folks, sometimes, you know. Uh but I I you know, I don't see Stockbridge [1:46:16, 1:46:27]: Stop Rich, not Atlantic. That's all I can say about that. And I don't want to get into why I'm saying that, but I think um, you know, you got a better uh you're gonna have better outcomes. [1:46:27, 1:46:32]: If that's your if that's your concern. I'm not sure that's what you're doing. [1:46:33, 1:46:33]: That is [1:46:34, 1:46:35]: I go to the park too. [1:46:35, 1:46:38]: Right. Um I'm just talking about Cochrane Park. [1:46:39, 1:46:42]: That is a very popular baseball park. [1:46:42, 1:46:44]: suitable for kids. [1:46:45, 1:46:46]: Um [1:46:47, 1:46:52]: That's really my concern. Um I just don't want us just trying to make it fit. [1:46:53, 1:46:56]: Um in understanding the impact. [1:46:56, 1:46:57]: To [1:46:57, 1:47:05]: Everybody and everything else around it. I just want us to be smart about what we're doing. Understood. Um there is a couple of other [1:47:05, 1:47:10]: developments that have been approved by the council that wasn't on this list. [1:47:12, 1:47:16]: Um the town homes off Davis Road, you didn't include those either. [1:47:17, 1:47:19]: The ones near the [1:47:19, 1:47:28]: If you can respond come if you're gonna respond, come to the mic, please. I don't wanna call'em trailer. Trailer park. But um those and then We didn't include everything. [1:47:29, 1:47:32]: I'm sorry. I said no, we didn't include everything. [1:47:33, 1:47:45]: And see that's what my concern is though. Um we can't see a true, accurate um number of units that have been approved in that area. [1:47:45, 1:47:46]: Specifically. [1:47:47, 1:47:54]: Um that's why I wanted to narrow it down to new developments that have been approved within a mile. [1:47:55, 1:48:03]: Um so I have some serious concerns and of course I have to represent the people who live in the area. So [1:48:03, 1:48:21]: That's all I have. Thank you. One last question. Stand by a second. Miss Barber, along with for the gentleman here, you gotta realize also you mentioned about the railroad track in North Worth Southern. You realize that we now have a quiet zone. So this development is within the s a footprint of the downtown area and the quiet zone itself because Valley Hill is part of the quiet zone. [1:48:21, 1:48:37]: And then you get to Love Street and then Nolan Street to the very south. So in all actuality, North Force Southern should those engineers should not be blowing on their horns as they come through. So and I didn't know if you know that, sir, or not, but uh but just wanna let you know that we finally got that approved several months or so ago. I didn't know that. Thank you. Okay, no problem, appreciate it. [1:48:38, 1:48:45]: Yes, ma'am. Yeah, I was mentioning the railroad because once again, um, we're challenged with how to [1:48:45, 1:48:50]: um grow the area. We can't expand or widen East Atlanta Road. [1:48:51, 1:48:53]: Because of the railroad. [1:48:54, 1:49:00]: And we're adding more density and populations and cars on the road. [1:49:00, 1:49:01]: In the area. [1:49:02, 1:49:03]: It's challenging. [1:49:04, 1:49:05]: Um [1:49:07, 1:49:27]: That's all. Okay. Ms. Alexander, you have something to say. I just want to m make sure we're you are the developer. You are the developer. You own this property. You're No, I we have it on the contract. You're on the contract. Okay. Okay. You have it on the co well, you will be the owner of the property. One hundred percent. You will be developing this property. [1:49:27, 1:49:44]: Yes. Your track record says Union City, McDonough has been successful for those. But we can look to you as the owner. You're not looking to develop it and then say you're gonna be the owner of this property and then the HOA will take over. Absolutely. Yes. Okay. Thank you. [1:49:44, 1:49:45]: Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [1:49:46, 1:50:06]: Yeah. Again, thank you for putting together a very nice presentation. I really like the project. Uh I just wanna put my concerns out there for uh public consumption about the traffic pattern of the one way in and one way out. Um my biggest concern is the left turn out onto old Conyers Road during morning traffic, school traffic, whatever the case. [1:50:06, 1:50:08]: Um [1:50:08, 1:50:16]: I I frequent that intersection a lot. Uh my daughter works across the street from there. And so I know when the buses and things are coming in and [1:50:16, 1:50:18]: Eight AM, three PM [1:50:18, 1:50:38]: That's a very difficult place to navigate. Uh, I don't know if a traffic sign signal helps or some some some other route or or some other concession that can be made, but I'm definitely concerned with uh additional hundred plus folks commuting out of that intersection around the same time. [1:50:38, 1:50:53]: at the same morning when it's already a congested spot. And like Councilwoman Barber said, we don't really have the ability to expand the space in the road. Love the project, but really wanna make sure that we do something to accommodate [1:50:53, 1:51:06]: The flow. The flow of traffic, being considerate of the people who are already using that as a main thoroughfare. Um, that's pretty much our main thoroughfare getting into Ellenwood and and coming back and forth. And so [1:51:06, 1:51:09]: We have to be considerate of that if we can. [1:51:10, 1:51:16]: Uh I I think you're I mean you have a good point. Um we would love to have a traffic signal there. [1:51:17, 1:51:19]: You know, but you know, that's not [1:51:20, 1:51:27]: You know, we we can't control that. Um and we we're actually having issues with um our hall road and highway ninety two. [1:51:27, 1:51:29]: Uh, they're doing a roundabout. [1:51:29, 1:51:33]: And they just built a Starbucks right there, and now they want to push into our property. [1:51:34, 1:51:39]: But same thing, because you have density coming, they have to come in. [1:51:39, 1:51:40]: And [1:51:40, 1:51:43]: you know, figure out a better flow of traffic. So I I I don't disagree with [1:51:45, 1:51:47]: I'm sorry, Mayor. Let me add on to you done, Mayor Protein. [1:51:48, 1:52:08]: Now this is where the X there will be this is where the improvements are. This is where the XL and D sell lane. So there will be an acceleration lane and a deceleration lane that should move say the school bus or whatever out of the lane of traffic. Correct. So that that the other traffic can pass through. And on the other side, residents will have an X. [1:52:08, 1:52:28]: XL lane where they can leave and not be running directly on O'Connors. And I want to correct something that was just there. It is not out of it has not ever been said that we can't widen East Atlanta Road. That's not true. Okay. We will that that there is challenging to be able to do so, but that certainly is in the long [1:52:28, 1:52:48]: term plans to be able to widen East Atlanta Road, taking the right of way to the east side of the road to be able to widen it at some point. The challenge is the funding not actually not being able to do so. And I certainly support being able to widen East Atlanta Road at some point. [1:52:48, 1:53:05]: But the traffic considerations are the XL and the D cell lane that you will be building there and then some uh uh to assist with traffic, not having the bus on East Atlanta on Old Canyon blocking traffic, right? Exactly. Okay, thank you. Ms. Barber you have something else? [1:53:05, 1:53:19]: Well I echo um the point that Council Mayor Pro Tem Berry made about left turns out of this development. Um that's difficult. [1:53:20, 1:53:25]: Okay. That's why I was asking about other access points. [1:53:26, 1:53:28]: This cannot be the only one. We gotta figure [1:53:30, 1:53:32]: How can we Mr Gardner? [1:53:32, 1:53:40]: Because thank you, sir. I appreciate you bringing forward a proposal for us. Um it's just that [1:53:41, 1:53:45]: It's complicated trying to make this fit and it just [1:53:46, 1:53:48]: It's not a good fit for this area. [1:53:48, 1:53:49]: At this time. [1:53:50, 1:53:52]: Містер Гартнер, вокзанти? [1:53:53, 1:53:53]: With [1:53:54, 1:53:55]: Um this gentleman. [1:53:56, 1:53:58]: Um to try to find some other [1:53:58, 1:53:59]: Option. [1:54:00, 1:54:02]: Apartments is just not conducive here. [1:54:03, 1:54:05]: We know that. It's just not. [1:54:06, 1:54:07]: There's no way around it. [1:54:09, 1:54:11]: That density onto Old Conyers Road. [1:54:12, 1:54:14]: And trying to turn left out of it. [1:54:17, 1:54:23]: Yes, ma'am. So I mean, they're providing right now a mixed use development with commercial residential. [1:54:23, 1:54:27]: Um the only other alternative is and I think he mentioned [1:54:27, 1:54:28]: That [1:54:29, 1:54:42]: You can't really put residential on here that's gonna make sense, b single family detach because of almost half the property being in a floodplain and with wetlands. So you can't make it happen that way. Um [1:54:43, 1:55:02]: I know that is zone in commercial and see what he could get from a commercial development and that if that's his intent. Well it's probably not. That's why they're showing a mix of residential and um commercial. But that's the only other option that's out there. Um, as he mentioned, the property is constrained. [1:55:02, 1:55:11]: Um, as it relates to putting enough single family homes or a tad single family that would make sense from a development standpoint. [1:55:11, 1:55:15]: Uh and so that's the reason. Not even town homes would work. [1:55:15, 1:55:35]: No ma'am, because I I think the issue is gonna be for him, and he can speak to this more than I can, is gonna be being able to put in the development costs and be able to recoup that development costs by the sale of enough units that would make him profitable. Nobody's in the business to lose money. Um so that's that's what's driving [1:55:35, 1:55:42]: The vertical part of the development is you're able to capture the amount of residential units by going up versus going wide. [1:55:44, 1:55:44]: Thank you, sir. [1:55:45, 1:55:47]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. Wait, Mr. Gardner, real quick. [1:55:48, 1:55:48]: Um [1:55:49, 1:55:51]: Based off of this plan and the [1:55:52, 1:55:54]: Based off the retreat we went to. [1:55:55, 1:55:57]: And our future plans for downtown. [1:55:57, 1:56:01]: Do you think that this is a good fit for the area? [1:56:01, 1:56:06]: Would it tie into what we are planning to do throughout our downtown? [1:56:06, 1:56:12]: Uh and within the proximity. Yes, ma'am. Initially when I saw when I heard about it coming through, I was like, Oh, well, okay, cool. [1:56:13, 1:56:16]: Um, it would kinda make sense if you were able to [1:56:16, 1:56:18]: to do some things on the property, but [1:56:19, 1:56:21]: The property is constrained. I mean [1:56:21, 1:56:31]: if I was able to lay it out, I wouldn't have the the props the project sitting to one end, but now we understand why the property is sitting to the eastern side of the property line. [1:56:31, 1:56:35]: It's because it's constrained by the floodplain that runs right through here. [1:56:36, 1:56:56]: Right. And so that limits what he could develop or it would have been cool to turn it this way, maybe with a portion in the back and and make it happen that way. Um, not unseen, um obviously you're still within a ten to fifteen minute radius walk to downtown from here, um, from this location. Um [1:56:56, 1:57:08]: It would make sense. It's just so obviously it's difficult because the property is so constrained. And that's what's forcing them to go more vertical than anything else. Um and then they can't go horizontal. [1:57:08, 1:57:28]: Um with Old Corners Road because it's only so much you could get the building in before you start hitting the wetlands. So you can't so it's it's constrained property. Um you know, the concept makes sense. Um trying to fit it in here, obviously you're seeing some of the challenges that they're having. [1:57:28, 1:57:32]: Um but all in all the concept is a good concept. [1:57:34, 1:57:36]: Do you have another question, sir? Go ahead, please. [1:57:36, 1:57:50]: I I I just wanna echo this out. I personally think that this is a great plan. I just feel like our our road infrastructure needs to be explored down the road so that we can better accommodate. Like it has to be prioritized. [1:57:51, 1:57:57]: So I I like I said, I d I do wanna put that point and let that be known. Like I think what you're doing [1:57:57, 1:58:17]: is phenomenal and it's phenomenal to the plan that like what we've seen, the vision for what we s what we seen. However, we we can't keep it ignoring the expansion and the and the roadway of what of that area because as it grows, the road have has to grow with it. And so I'm not opposed to right what we're doing. I just [1:58:17, 1:58:35]: think we need to put our focus on what would be. I would caution us, right? Because um I think as counts district councilmember said, I mean, Georgia law requires that we cannot use roads and schools as a means to deny zoning. And the w purpose behind that is [1:58:35, 1:58:41]: You have a property owner, whether they own the property for a hundred years, pay taxes for those things to be improved and it's up on the local government. [1:58:42, 1:58:43]: To improve those things. [1:58:43, 1:58:44]: Right? [1:58:44, 1:58:47]: And if it didn't get done, their property shouldn't be held accountable for it. [1:58:48, 1:58:50]: Байстон. Нас тамс Бинна. [1:58:51, 1:58:53]: Right, that we need to understand. [1:58:53, 1:59:04]: So it's not their fault that the road isn't falling, divided or whatever. That's the that's the fault of the county and s local government if he's on the property for sixty, six seventy years. Recognize it. [1:59:05, 1:59:06]: The you go back. [1:59:07, 1:59:14]: There wasn't no there were less than five, six thousand people living here in the entire Henry County in the nineteen seventies. [1:59:14, 1:59:18]: So people need to keep that in perspective. It wasn't a big county back then. [1:59:18, 1:59:38]: Um so growth has come and yes, um those improvements are there, but you cannot basically use those as a basis. Um, you know, to to to deny it. But that's gonna be a problem every time we look at zoning property. You're gonna have those issues. Um all of us live in subdivisions still. [1:59:38, 1:59:51]: that when they got built for the most part. Uh when they got built, the roads weren't capacity. I mean, you have thousands of homes built off of Walt Stevens Road and they all go down a two lane road from Spear Road to get to one thirty eight. [1:59:53, 1:59:54]: So it happens. [1:59:55, 2:00:14]: Okay, if you know the questions from the council, I'm gonna open up to for public hearing. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your time. Thank you. No problem. Okay, I'm gonna open up public hearing. So all in favor of individuals that want to speak for this, want to speak for this development on my far left. On my far left. Anybody want to speak positive for this development in the middle? [2:00:15, 2:00:21]: Anybody on the far right? Positive positive comments. I'm gonna go with any negative comments. [2:00:21, 2:00:22]: I'm sorry. [2:00:23, 2:00:25]: Oh yes, sir. Oh yes, ma'am, sorry. [2:00:25, 2:00:30]: Yeah, okay, yeah. Um you if you're the only one, come come to the podium and give your name and address, please. [2:00:36, 2:00:40]: Hello, my name is Maria Clay. Um, I live at [2:00:43, 2:01:00]: I need to know specifically which item that you are speaking for. I th well yeah, I don't know if you have a specific item or it's just overall concept, overall comments that you want to make here. Um yes, just over the uh apartment complex that's coming to the city of Stockbridge. [2:01:00, 2:01:02]: All right, there you go. Name and address, please. [2:01:02, 2:01:22]: Uh Maria Clay, 103 Springwood Valley Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. Go ahead, please. Okay, I've been a resident of Stockbridge um since middle school, um over twenty years. Um I think this is a great development for our community. Uh we don't have a lot of stuff like this for us. We have to go downtown. [2:01:22, 2:01:42]: Which is far. Like why can't we have laws um for our young adults? Um another thing is it's hard for a lot of people my age to purchase homes. So I feel like you yeah, we have the DR Horton town homes down the street, but not everybody has twenty [2:01:42, 2:02:02]: 30,000 to put down on a house. So this is in our community. It's perfect for us. It is across the street from the baseball field. My daughter, she used to play baseball at that field. It would be nice for us to have somewhere to walk. It's right across the street. We can walk, we want to walk on the trail to a nice trail. [2:02:02, 2:02:22]: You also have the publics across the street, which I think will bring down some of the traffic flow because we don't have to drive everywhere. It's right up the street from the amphitheater. We can walk to the amphitheater, which is great. I really hope we can get something like this for Stockbridge. [2:02:22, 2:02:40]: I personally would like to live there. Um, it seemed like it's gonna be very, very nice. Um, but we do have to I want something here for our young adults because it is a lot of three bedroom apartments. Like n we want something for us. Um and [2:02:42, 2:02:53]: Okay. Well appre is that it? Appreciate your comments if that is all. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, any any other comments for? Okay, any comments against from our far left. Any comments against this development? [2:02:53, 2:02:55]: Anybody in the middle, guess this development? [2:02:56, 2:02:58]: On my far right, anything that gets the development. [2:03:00, 2:03:02]: What is this, sir? [2:03:03, 2:03:06]: All right, take come come forward. So give your name and address, please. [2:03:08, 2:03:17]: How y'all doing? Luke, Luke Williams, uh 4661 North Air Boulevard. Okay, go ahead. Uh uh while I was uh asking about the development um [2:03:17, 2:03:21]: Now this is like a gated community, uh, you know, um [2:03:22, 2:03:38]: Would it be like any y'all plan on like any buses, uh buses coming through the uh help out for the community? And um my last question would be, when um if if you decide to approve it, when would uh the when would y'all start breaking ground on the uh community? [2:03:39, 2:03:39]: All right. [2:03:40, 2:03:46]: I appreciate that. Yeah. Okay. That's all the questions you have? A couple of qu okay, thank you. Um, Ryan, Anderson, could you come back please? [2:03:47, 2:03:54]: In reference to the b bus traffic, I know that we're working with matter of fact we have uh just um remembered that we have a a tour. [2:03:54, 2:04:10]: a schedule for tomorrow to with the Henry County bus route. I don't know I can't recall this being on a bus route, but I know that we're looking at uh having a bus route internally into the county and the and with all the other cities. So this may be something that we may possibly look at m maybe adding as time goes on. [2:04:11, 2:04:31]: I'm saying that in passing. Now that's something obviously that we council members and myself can can maybe do tomorrow. Well, I schedule to do tomorrow. Matter of fact, on what the existing stops are. But in reference to um uh the timeline of upon approval, I don't know if you have any idea of the timeline, sir, on this. Uh I'm not sure what what the developers timeline is. [2:04:31, 2:04:32]: I mean he can address that. [2:04:33, 2:04:36]: Okay, come on up, please, sir, for a second, don't go anywhere, Brian. Uh please stay back. [2:04:39, 2:04:55]: Um, if approved, uh we will start on the plans immediately, which takes about, you know, around five months and then you're permitting maybe about three months, four months, uh depending on the municipality. So, you know, you're talking ten, eleven months before you can actually go to shove on the ground. [2:04:55, 2:05:10]: So if if on once approved ten, eleven months or sometime early, it'll be sometime early f uh next winter well late winter maybe, I guess it is. Yeah. Late winter, early spring. Third fourth quarter twenty twenty five. Okay. All right. And I believe that's the only questions you had at that point. I think that covers that. Okay. [2:05:10, 2:05:13]: After go ahead, Ryan, do you have something else to add? Uh no, sir. [2:05:14, 2:05:15]: [7516.0, 7517.7]: So I believe I covered it all. [2:05:18, 2:05:19]: What else is I think? [2:05:22, 2:05:40]: Gate oh no, I don't think I'm sorry. I'm I'm sorry, I missed that. I got you. Gate what I I'm sorry I missed that area. Okay. I don't think there's no gates involved in this at all. Not at this time. Not playing at this time, no. Okay. And I'm pretty sure that there they're no yeah, no idea. Okay, okay, got it. All right. [2:05:40, 2:05:55]: Okay. I've I've asked this I've been around uh you all need to listen to what I'm saying now,'cause I've asked for for and against. You know, uh Ryan, could you move out the way for a second, please? Ma'am, what what is on your mind? I'll let you c come now come to come to the mic and give your name and address. [2:05:55, 2:06:15]: Y'all gotta pay attention. I'm I'm going through this and this you need to speak up when I come through you. What's your name? What's your name? Hello, my name is Shavaka Harris. My address is one oh one oh seven Cobalt Way, Stockbridge, Georgia. It's neither. It is just a a qu a mere question that I have as it pertains to the um Go ahead. The new construction. Right. [2:06:15, 2:06:35]: Allow me to apologize for inconveniencing the court or the counsel today with my late question. However, I understand that it has been posed that we would be able to walk from the um construction or whatever it's going to be to the amphitheater. Would there be sidewalks and places? [2:06:35, 2:06:54]: to ensure safety for those that would be downtown development plan in reference to uh having uh uh pathways, yes. It's all part of connecting folks to the downtown areas. That's part of our future. So that is part of that process. Okay? Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Okay. I'm gonna close the public hearing on that note. All right. I'll close the public hearing. All right. So [2:06:54, 2:07:08]: We've done that. Council, uh we're gonna go through uh we're gonna go through each one of these. Ryan, I'm gonna need you back up, please, sir. We're gonna go through each one of these and then we'll uh take a vote. They're uh one, two, three, four, what's it, five? [2:07:09, 2:07:18]: It's it's five but you can vote on four. Five differ five different vote on four. Excuse me now? The second variance you can disregard. Second variance disregard? Yes, sir. [2:07:20, 2:07:21]: Okay. [2:07:23, 2:07:24]: We'll be voting on four items. [2:07:24, 2:07:25]: Well the [2:07:25, 2:07:38]: The second variance, well, uh that's what it says here, seven point seven five percent to twenty-five percent proposed ratio eighty seven point five to twelve point five. That's what you're referring to? Yes, sir. We don't have a provision for that. It will be based on the conceptual site plan. [2:07:38, 2:07:43]: It'll be based on the final site plan. Oh, you're saying we don't have to vote on that tonight? Yes, sir. You don't have to vote on it. [2:07:44, 2:08:01]: Okay. So what I have first is a comprehensive plan amendment K CP twenty twenty four-zero two, co-course council district four, and this deals with uh the designation from low density residential to special purpose to allow for the construction of misuse development, including commercial and residential uses. [2:08:01, 2:08:07]: Does that cover that, sir? That's right? Yes, sir. Okay, is there is there a motion to accept this? Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. [2:08:08, 2:08:15]: I motion to deny the comprehensive plan amendment case number CP two zero two four dash oh two. [2:08:16, 2:08:17]: Is there a second then motion? Point of order. [2:08:18, 2:08:20]: I don't think we make motions to deny. [2:08:21, 2:08:23]: Well well to see well [2:08:23, 2:08:25]: Well, I don't know my attorney's not here but [2:08:26, 2:08:30]: If she wants well, if it gets a sec if it doesn't get a second, it fall it falls off anyway because the second will vote on it. [2:08:30, 2:08:32]: Okay, so there's our second emotion. [2:08:33, 2:08:35]: Is there a second to the motion? [2:08:36, 2:08:38]: I hear no second. Motion's denied. [2:08:38, 2:08:39]: I need a motion, folks, to approve. [2:08:41, 2:08:41]: So moved. [2:08:42, 2:08:42]: Okay. [2:08:42, 2:08:45]: Sir Second? Sir. Mr. Hazan said in all favor, please indicate. [2:08:49, 2:09:01]: Okay. You okay, t to to approve and you all you all deny the the motion to accept this motion? I oppose. I oppose. Okay. Yes sir. Gentlemen. [2:09:03, 2:09:15]: The motion was made by Mr. Gantt and then to Mr. Alexander to u to approve this uh the change of this uh low density residential special purpose, level for construction, misuse, development, including commercial and residential uses. [2:09:15, 2:09:20]: They approved it. They've they've motioned and they raised their hand approved. So is there so you gentlemen approve or deny? [2:09:22, 2:09:23]: You approve it, sir? [2:09:24, 2:09:27]: I oppose. Okay, one second. Okay, Miss Barber opposes. [2:09:28, 2:09:33]: Okay, Mr. Berry approve approves. That's three approval. Mr. Um you have sustained. Okay, so it's uh three, two, one. [2:09:34, 2:09:45]: Right? Yeah, three no, three one one, three one one, motion pass. All right, three one one, motion pass. Uh the approval uh madam clerk, the approval was from Gantt, Alessander and Berry. [2:09:46, 2:10:05]: Okay, got it. Okay. All right. Next is a rezoning case RZ twenty twenty four dash zero two council district four. This deals with the rezone the property from SR suburban residential to PUD plan unit development to allow for the construction of misuse development, including commercial and residential uses. If I got that correct, sir. [2:10:06, 2:10:08]: Okay, is there the motion for this? To for approval. [2:10:10, 2:10:17]: I oppose, I deny, or oppose the rezoning case RZ two zero two four-02. [2:10:18, 2:10:19]: Is there a second to that motion? [2:10:21, 2:10:23]: Is there a second to that motion? [2:10:24, 2:10:42]: No second motion fails. Is there approval motion for this result? Okay. Some movie. This is where the conditions will or does that that the next one? I'm sorry. Yeah, yes sir. The staff recommend approval with conditions. Okay, let's talk about the conditions now. And then we added some conditions. Exactly it's yeah, is there this point? Is there a second to this motion? [2:10:42, 2:10:56]: I s well he's gotta make the motion with the conditions. He's making a motion. Okay, could you come and and get all the additional conditions for this mo uh conditions for this please? Why me the additional con con uh conditions uh Do we have to name'em all again? If they're on the list? Which one? [2:10:58, 2:11:18]: Well it it looked like some ones that were added. Yeah, we had uh council. The ones that were added. We added a ten foot multi-use path along the furniture of East Atlanta and Old Cunyons Road. Decorative street lights installed. Um we had um I'm not sure it was a formal um um condition because it was infrared. [2:11:17, 2:11:32]: Yet but less studio and more two to three bedrooms. I don't know I don't know if the developer wants that. Um an EV charging station shall be installed. And um and a bus stop shall be installed for kids. [2:11:34, 2:11:48]: Cade I would imagine that there would have to be a bus well kids for school. I'm imagining there, the the school system. The shelter is automatic is automatic. Well the shelter to make sure they have a cover and they're just not standing out there. Yes. That's that's automatic. [2:11:49, 2:11:51]: Okay. It's already in the code. Okay. Okay. [2:11:53, 2:11:55]: So I'm there. Yes, ma'am. [2:11:55, 2:11:57]: So with the other eight on the board. [2:12:02, 2:12:03]: Yes, ma'am. [2:12:08, 2:12:16]: Okay, this is uh this is a rezoning case. This deal talks about plan you're at suburban residential plan unit development. Okay. [2:12:17, 2:12:29]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I don't know if the applicant is in a provement or not, but normally we just say what the staff recommends and we vote on that and that's what this that's what the applicant has to go by. So [2:12:30, 2:12:32]: We base it off of what our recommendations are. [2:12:32, 2:12:35]: And then we vote on it based off of that. [2:12:35, 2:12:36]: На видерна [2:12:37, 2:12:45]: the the applicant agrees. If they disagreed, they would have had to say something then, but we're telling them that it's gonna be a hundred and sixty units. [2:12:47, 2:12:47]: Okay. [2:12:50, 2:12:58]: So so we need to make a motion to include all these th uh conditions for this for this approval for this particular change to a plan unit development. [2:12:58, 2:13:17]: Right. It would I would certainly want to be supportive of the hundred and sixty units. Okay, certainly. Let's go ahead and do that with those conditions added. Uh that is my motion. With the standard conditions that were already included, plus the additional uh conditions that were read into the record. So move. [2:13:17, 2:13:19]: What is the provision for the sidewalks? [2:13:20, 2:13:26]: It's it's it's in the UDC but ten foot multi purpose trail along East Atlanta and Old Cunyers Road, or along the frontage. [2:13:29, 2:13:31]: Mm. [2:13:32, 2:13:33]: Yes, ma'am. [2:13:37, 2:13:39]: Well that's coming that's another variant. [2:13:39, 2:13:53]: That's that's that's the next variant's coming up. Well the city manager is going to staff. The the staff is going to work through that process to see if that's appropriate. If there's if that if they can work that out on the property. If they're possi if it's possible, they shouldn't. [2:13:54, 2:14:14]: That's next coming up. That's right after this one. Up or down. That's coming up in reference to the parking spots you were referring to. Yeah, that's number eight on the staff reporting. Yes, sir. Okay. Uh Mayor, before you take the vote, Mayor. Yes, sir. Um, I'd like to ask if if it's appropriate before the vote on [2:14:14, 2:14:28]: the next agenda item. Um if a motion to reconsider is appropriate at this time before the vote uh on the other agenda items. Reconsidered what which were you talking about? [2:14:29, 2:14:35]: I mean just to recit reconsider my vote. Oh reconsider your vote. On item agenda item six. [2:14:35, 2:14:55]: Well you before before the council. But you you abstained, sir. You abstained on that and I think the only reconsideration would come from the individuals that were approved at. So you you were not the right person to reconsider or or or that aspect I think. I I our attorney's not here, but I but I would think that um [2:14:55, 2:14:58]: [8100.0, 8106.7]: In reference to whoever whoever passes that whoever uh passes that particular uh an affirmative, I believe. [2:15:07, 2:15:07]: Right. [2:15:08, 2:15:09]: Okay. [2:15:11, 2:15:16]: This is what it's what I understand. Unfortunately, uh attorney's not here right, but I believe that's the way it's done. Yes. [2:15:16, 2:15:18]: Okay, I won't I won't challenge that. [2:15:18, 2:15:22]: Okay. Well I appreciate it. Appreciate that. All right, so um [2:15:23, 2:15:34]: Let's see here. Back to uh the rezona case. Okay, Mr. Alexander, you made a motion with all with all the different uh additional conditions uh that were read into the record. [2:15:35, 2:15:38]: Correct? That is correct. Is there a s second to the motion? [2:15:40, 2:15:45]: I second. Ms. Gantt second that. All in favor, please indicate. Comment. Yep, I'm sorry. Comment. [2:15:46, 2:16:03]: What's your comment? Hold on, say, hold on, relax. Relax. What is your comment, please? This is the district that I represent. The residents who live in the area have grave concerns about this mixed use development with [2:16:04, 2:16:07]: А худа сипамент униц. [2:16:09, 2:16:15]: Mayor Pro Temberry raised a very valid point when he talked about the safety concerns of turning left. [2:16:15, 2:16:17]: out of this development. [2:16:18, 2:16:19]: Nobody is addressing that. [2:16:21, 2:16:24]: The only time none of us live in the area. [2:16:25, 2:16:29]: None of us live off East Atlanta Road or Connors Road. [2:16:29, 2:16:33]: The closest person who lives to this area is Councilman Thomas. [2:16:36, 2:16:40]: If you're gonna impact the people who live in this area. [2:16:40, 2:16:43]: Make sure you're addressing the safety concerns. [2:16:44, 2:16:47]: This is a district that I represent. [2:16:47, 2:16:54]: So you you best believe every time there is a proposal that is presented to this council. [2:16:54, 2:17:00]: Regarding this downtown area, it is more than just revitalizing the area. [2:17:00, 2:17:03]: Have to consider the people who live here. [2:17:03, 2:17:05]: Those who are most impacted. [2:17:08, 2:17:13]: Now are we gonna address the safety concerns and the staff's recommendation?'Cause they didn't address it. [2:17:15, 2:17:15]: Mayor. [2:17:16, 2:17:18]: Okay. Ms. Gantt, do you have a question? [2:17:18, 2:17:24]: I thank you. Uh well it's not a question, it's a comment. Go ahead, what's your comment? Um, just so the public knows [2:17:26, 2:17:28]: Public hearings are always advertised. [2:17:29, 2:17:32]: They're advertised to the public. And anytime we have a hearing like this, [2:17:32, 2:17:34]: Usually we have a room full. [2:17:35, 2:17:49]: If they're objecting, we have a line. If they're for it, we have a line. Well, not necessarily for it, mainly when they object to something. We have a line of people that are commenting and stating that they object to the project. [2:17:51, 2:17:52]: With all respect, [2:17:54, 2:17:56]: Downtown has to be [2:17:56, 2:17:58]: in a council member's district. [2:18:00, 2:18:05]: Councilwoman Barber's district was drawn to include our downtown. [2:18:06, 2:18:08]: But it is a known fact that [2:18:09, 2:18:11]: But downtown. [2:18:11, 2:18:13]: The heart of downtown. [2:18:13, 2:18:15]: Which this project resides in. [2:18:16, 2:18:19]: Mayor council considers it all of our district. [2:18:20, 2:18:24]: Because we all want to focus on [2:18:24, 2:18:28]: The development of our downtown. [2:18:29, 2:18:32]: There are gonna be there always [2:18:33, 2:18:38]: Always and I sympathize there always gonna be someone not happy, I mean [2:18:38, 2:18:43]: We can never please a crowd. You can give people [2:18:43, 2:18:47]: Each council member up here can attest to the fact that we can give them [2:18:48, 2:18:52]: Everybody gets a million dollars apiece and somebody's still gonna complain. [2:18:53, 2:18:56]: There's n uh you're never gonna make everyone happy. [2:18:57, 2:19:05]: But this is a part of our future development plan. We actually have a developer who's trying to implement what we what our goals are. [2:19:05, 2:19:10]: Each and every one of us went down to r on a retreat [2:19:11, 2:19:12]: To a northern city. [2:19:13, 2:19:26]: And was high fiving and looking and ooin' and awing and looking at buildings were built where you walk out and you're like ten foot, ten feet right there. You walk out, you walk on to your to the main sidewalk, you're literally on the street. [2:19:27, 2:19:33]: And we decided we knew what we wanted our downtown to look like. [2:19:33, 2:19:34]: It's not [2:19:35, 2:19:46]: the place where I'm not saying you're not we're not supposed to have families here or whatever the case may be, that's not the case, but there are specific areas in our downtown. [2:19:47, 2:19:52]: We all agreed as part of our goals, as part of our mission statement. [2:19:53, 2:19:57]: That we want a live, work, and play environment. [2:19:57, 2:20:00]: Now we can say what we want, but [2:20:00, 2:20:04]: Nobody came up here and said that they were against this development. [2:20:05, 2:20:07]: This room is not full. [2:20:09, 2:20:10]: This development [2:20:11, 2:20:13]: is a kickoff. [2:20:13, 2:20:18]: to what we have been requesting or wanting for our downtown. [2:20:18, 2:20:20]: It is a a kickoff. [2:20:21, 2:20:35]: So I just hope that we consider that. I'm I'm not and I sympathize. I sympathize with people who wouldn't want it. But guess what? We're not building three bedroom apartments with families. We're talking about young urban professionals. [2:20:36, 2:20:38]: It is clear that this is geared towards them, but [2:20:39, 2:20:40]: This is not [2:20:42, 2:20:43]: A development [2:20:44, 2:20:47]: That's gun that looks like it's a whole bunch of riffraff going on. [2:20:47, 2:20:52]: When you get a development like this, or you get a senior living facility development. [2:20:53, 2:20:55]: You're right on the money of what we're trying to do. [2:20:57, 2:21:03]: And so I just want us to consider that that this is a part or see the whole picture. [2:21:04, 2:21:08]: That's where I am with this project. And I know some people aren't gonna be happy. [2:21:09, 2:21:13]: But we have certain areas. Our downtown is our downtown. [2:21:14, 2:21:18]: And it's been planned out to be that density area. [2:21:20, 2:21:40]: That's it. Mayor, just one other comment. Mayor Ford, my hand was raised. I have a comment. You don't speak if I may. Go ahead. Go ahead, Miss I'll tell you Miss Barber a second. Go ahead, Mr. Alexander. You get to speak twice. No, five minutes. So now doing it. [2:21:40, 2:21:58]: Calm down. Are we enforcing the speaking rules? If we are standby adhere to all of this. You will get an opportunity. What part of the speaking rules are you going to enforce? Okay, tell me. [2:21:58, 2:22:05]: Be consistent with it. I'm sick and tired of going through this. Will you call it? Every time there's a public hearing for my district. [2:22:06, 2:22:07]: You all are controlling. [2:22:08, 2:22:28]: And impacting the people that I am supposed to be representing. They're not here because they're expecting for me to represent them. They're not here because every single thing is. [2:22:28, 2:22:48]: Many units into an area that does not fit. This does not look like it's in the best interest of our city. It does not. This is not what we can this is not what I consider smart growth at all. I'm not gonna let you keep disrespecting me. I'm not gonna let you keep disrespecting the people who live in this area. There's been two [2:22:47, 2:22:53]: They have so much. [2:22:54, 2:22:54]: Just [2:22:55, 2:23:02]: You all have disrespected those people who've come here on a consistent basis within the past year. [2:23:03, 2:23:07]: Five new high density developments have been approved in this district. [2:23:07, 2:23:08]: Five. [2:23:09, 2:23:12]: Now you are approving an apartment. [2:23:12, 2:23:14]: Apartment development. [2:23:14, 2:23:19]: Right here in the downtown area with no plans to expand or widen. [2:23:20, 2:23:25]: Um East Atlanta Road. I brought that up when you approved the twenty seven three story townhomes. [2:23:26, 2:23:32]: You cannot widen East Atlanta Road when you have town homes that are right up against the sidewalks. [2:23:33, 2:23:39]: I am not going to be quiet. I'm not. And I'm gonna I'm not gonna allow you all to keep disrespecting me. [2:23:39, 2:23:44]: They won't come back here because y'all are not listening to the people in the community. [2:23:45, 2:23:48]: There are no apartments that have been built. [2:23:48, 2:23:51]: Or developed in the middle of our city. [2:23:52, 2:23:56]: All of the apartments have been developed along highways. [2:23:56, 2:23:58]: Not in the middle of a city. [2:23:59, 2:24:06]: What it looks like is you all are trying to squeeze these people out. You're making them real uncomfortable to make them want to move. [2:24:06, 2:24:10]: There are no political implications to you all, so you don't care. [2:24:12, 2:24:15]: Mr. Alexander Guay, please. Listen. [2:24:15, 2:24:16]: Uh you know. [2:24:16, 2:24:21]: Ms. Alexander Ms. Alexander has some time. [2:24:22, 2:24:42]: Certainly as a part of the condition staff has would be charged with continuing to look for opportunities to improve the traffic as Mr. Mayor Pro Tem has indicated. That certainly will be a priority for us to continue to look for improvements when we can do so. That is always the charge. [2:24:42, 2:24:57]: And I certainly concur with Mayor Pratin Berry that we would continue that and that is part of the motion. Well I know earlier in the conversation you mentioned and we got clarification about the XL D cell lane as well. We talked about that as well, this aspect. So on that note, um [2:24:58, 2:25:02]: Uh well we you made it we made a motion second by Ms. Gantt. So all in favor of that motion, please indicate. [2:25:03, 2:25:16]: Opposed. Okay. So pa pass okay it's three three three approvals. All right, and um zero zero abstained and zero opposed. The two members are missing. So emotion passed. Three zero zero. Okay. All right. [2:25:19, 2:25:39]: All right. Next was the variance case uh twenty four twenty twenty four dash zero one council district four and this is involving the parking requirements according to the number of bedrooms per uh apartment unit, whereby studio and one bedroom apartment units will have only one parking spa spot instead of required one point two five parking spots and a a two bedroom [2:25:39, 2:25:55]: the units will have only one point two five parking spots per uh unit instead of the one point seven five parking spots per unit. That's what I have here for that variance. Is that correct so for for a reduction of thirty units? For to a reduction? Of thirty units. Reduction of thirty units. From code. [2:25:55, 2:25:57]: Okay. From court requirements. [2:25:58, 2:26:03]: All right. That needs to be in the motion. Is there a there's a motion uh for that to accept that as is. [2:26:04, 2:26:14]: With the with the additional comment that Mr. Ryan just mentioned. Mr. Ryan, real quick before we make the motion, are you saying that now because it's been reduced to a hundred and sixty units, then this is okay? [2:26:14, 2:26:19]: Yeah yeah, uh for it will be a reduction of thirty units from the origin from originally opposed proposed. [2:26:20, 2:26:40]: Okay. So Mayor, I move that we reduce the parking requirements to a reduction of thirty units. Yeah, thirty nine units. From the what what from what was originally proposed? From what was originally um proposed. Okay, so second the motion. Okay, the original proposal was two hundred units. Since we've gone down to one [2:26:40, 2:26:46]: sixty then that is the reduction. Yes. Yeah. That the reduction is in order. Yes. All right. Thanks. So m second. [2:26:47, 2:27:07]: 160. So correct, give me the the clever. So we're going down from two original units. From 200 units to 160. So that that means the parking calculations became lower. The requirements became lower. And so they automatically fit with the lower. Well well, a reduction of 30 is is necessary. Staff approval that reduction of [2:27:07, 2:27:08]: Thirty units. [2:27:10, 2:27:15]: You you understand, sir? You good? All right. You good? I need a motion motion to accept this. [2:27:15, 2:27:19]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. All right. All in favor, please indicate. [2:27:21, 2:27:27]: Opposed? You you approved, Mr. You approved? Opposed. Okay, four zero one uh four one zero. Motion passed. [2:27:29, 2:27:39]: Okay. Now the next one was variance of that's uh twenty twenty four dash zero two. And you said Mr. Ryan in reference to we don't need to do this right now. Uh no not that one. [2:27:40, 2:27:50]: Which one are you referring to, sir? Uh modified uh the ground floor retail square footage requirement from 87.5 to 12 to uh 7525. [2:27:51, 2:27:56]: Yeah, from seventy five, tw twenty-five to eighty seven. [2:27:56, 2:28:03]: Point five, two point five. Twelve point five. Yeah, that's not necessary. We don't That's not necessary. No sir. So we you're saying we don't need this one? No, sir. [2:28:03, 2:28:13]: And b asked because can you explain why we don't need this one now? We don't have a provision in our code regulating this. Okay. So it's it's not applicable at this time. At this time? Yes. [2:28:13, 2:28:15]: All right. [2:28:15, 2:28:19]: Most places do have that, but we don't have it in our code at this time. [2:28:20, 2:28:40]: So what I have next would be a variance case RV 2024-03, Council District 4 variance to increase the project density from 24 units per acre to 29 units per acre. Is what I have next. Staff recommended uh denial based on the fact that we'll have 160. [2:28:40, 2:28:42]: Clerk's confused here. Clarification. [2:28:50, 2:28:50]: Yes. [2:28:54, 2:28:55]: Okay. [2:28:56, 2:29:16]: Yeah, uh you can we can do that. Can you make the motion to deny to to deny the the variance twenty four twenty twenty four zero two. Variants about the seventy five per okay. Yes sir. Well see that's why she's clerk of the year. That's why she's clerk of the year, yes. That's exactly why. Well wait, Mayor, do we not just ask a vote to remove this agenda item?'Cause I didn't [2:29:16, 2:29:18]: think we could deny [2:29:19, 2:29:22]: A gen do we vote to remove it? [2:29:23, 2:29:25]: Why would we vote to deny? [2:29:27, 2:29:37]: It's not so okay, so it's not applicable. So I wouldn't want to do that. I wouldn't want a record doing that. I would vote to remove the item. Yeah. Well yeah, that would be better. [2:29:37, 2:29:41]: Mayor, I would like to make a motion that we remove agenda item number nine. [2:29:42, 2:29:49]: Sir. Okay. And based on the fact that it's not applicable? Based on the fact that it's not applicable. Okay, all in favor of that, please indicate. [2:29:50, 2:29:56]: All opposed? Abstain? I abstain. Okay, four zero one. Okay. [2:29:59, 2:30:19]: All right, now to the variants uh case twenty twenty four-zero three, council district four variants have increased the project density from twenty-four units per acre to twenty-nine units per acre. Mr. Uh Ryan, Ryan Anderson, Mr. Anderson. We we staff recommended uh denial, and that's based on the fact that we're [2:30:19, 2:30:25]: We're going with 160 units instead of two hundred. Okay. So it cannot exceed twenty four units per acre. [2:30:25, 2:30:31]: All right. Is there a motion to accept the the staff's recommendation and uh keep it at twenty four units per acre? [2:30:33, 2:30:37]: You so move. Mr. Berry so moved that is there a second? Is there a second? [2:30:40, 2:30:52]: Okay, there's not a Sec. Okay, so deny? To to staff refer recommendation is to take it to keep it at take it to twenty-four units, not to twenty-nine units. [2:30:52, 2:31:03]: Oh is that correct, sir? Yeah, we recommend the denial of that variance request. Okay, so they were asking for 29 units. Right. So we're we send 24 instead. Okay. [2:31:03, 2:31:11]: So we're denying the request of twenty nine and a an approving twenty four and and not more than twenty four. Mr. Berry understood that he says so move. And I need a second. [2:31:12, 2:31:19]: So we're proving twenty four. Not more than twenty four. Okay, not more than twenty four. Okay. Mr. second on fair, please indicate. [2:31:21, 2:31:34]: Okay. All pose. Okay, so it's four, one, zero. It passes. All right. All right. Thank you, Mr. Anderson. All right, thank you. All right, thank you, sir, for being here in this aspect. [2:31:34, 2:31:54]: All right, announcements of upcoming meetings and events. Council meetings will be held in the city council chambers. Noting some board committee meetings will continue to take place via Zoom. Meeting dates and times are subject to change. Please visit the city's website at WW City of Starbrace dot com for the meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact City Hall offices at seven [2:31:54, 2:32:14]: 70389-7900 for updates. The Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room, July 9th. Okay, that is tomorrow. Startbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month, 6 p.m. in Stockbridge Police Academy Room, police community. [2:32:14, 2:32:34]: Room, excuse me. In 4545 North Henry Boulevard, July 11th. Well says here the meeting's been canceled now. Okay. 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[2:36:30, 2:36:50]: And Saturday, July 27th, the 70 Soul Jam featuring the Shylights and Manhattan's legendary blue notes and bloodstone, the peach, and the herbs. And that 70 Soul Jam is going to be what they'll call our white part. Everybody comes dressed in white for that night. And then Saturday, August 3rd, 2024, is Babyface and Special Guest Avery Sunsign and Forecast. Hopefully, you all had a great day. [2:36:50, 2:37:10]: July 4th. We had an outstanding July 4th free concert in Firebirds at the Amphitheater. July 6th this past uh Saturday. We had Karen Briggs and Contemporal Orchestra and a lot of different guests. Wonderful jazz concert there. And of course, last night, July 7th, we had scheduled Charlie Wilson and Robin Thick. Robin Thick was able to perform, but Charlie Wilson had to be [2:37:10, 2:37:30]: Be postponed due to the weather. And if you if you bought a ticket, you'll get a you should receive the email from fresh ticks and also informing you that it will be rescheduled. It's on our website and a Facebook page for the city of Stockbridge that it will be rescheduled. I look forward at least a month to six weeks out before we have that again, and your tickets will be honored. All right, and on that note, uh [2:37:30, 2:37:37]: Uh council we actually have a second session dealing with real estate. All right, so I need a motion to go into the executive session, please. [2:37:38, 2:37:41]: Mayor, I move that we go into executive session for real estate. [2:37:42, 2:37:43]: Is there a second? [2:37:43, 2:37:45]: Okay, on fair please indicate. [2:37:47, 2:37:49]: Okay, okay, all posed? [2:37:49, 2:37:52]: All right, you sustain, sir. [2:37:53, 2:37:53]: Oh. [2:37:54, 2:37:57]: I can do personnel. You want me to do personnel too? [2:37:58, 2:38:00]: Real estate and personnel. Okay, all in favor, please indicate. [2:38:02, 2:38:05]: The the the from uh Gantt to uh [2:38:05, 2:38:06]: Alexander? [2:38:06, 2:38:10]: You second that motion, Alzheimer? You can't Alzheimer. I'll find please indicate. [2:38:10, 2:38:25]: All right, is there anonymous decision? Okay, we good? Miss Barber, did you vote for, against, or sustain? Which one does that mean? Okay. All right. So Nanus decision. Thank you. We'll go we'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go into second session. [2:38:43, 2:38:46]: Hello. [2:38:46, 2:38:47]: Yeah, okay. [2:38:48, 2:38:52]: All right. [3:03:30, 3:03:31]: Ms. Holiday, you can't see it yet? [3:03:33, 3:03:34]: Shut it down. [3:03:36, 3:03:38]: Well I mean he just walked, I just saw him go by. [3:04:25, 3:04:26]: Are we live yet, Ms. Holmes? [3:04:27, 3:04:31]: Okay, all right, good deal. Okay, council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. [3:04:32, 3:04:36]: Mr. Berry, is there a second? A second. Ms. Gantt, second, all in favor, please indicate. [3:04:37, 3:04:47]: I need a motion to uh re reconvene our city council meeting, please. I moved. Ms. Gantt, is there a second? Sir. Mr. Alzheimer's, a second in all in favor, please syndicate. [3:04:47, 3:04:54]: All right, and ladies and gentlemen, we have nothing to report from the executive session, so I now need a motion to end our council meeting. So move. Okay. [3:04:54, 3:04:56]: Mr. Berry, second down, all in favor, please indicate. [3:04:57, 3:04:58]: Good night everybody. God bless you all. [3:05:06, 3:05:07]: Mm-hmm. [3:05:10, 3:05:26]: So we should be seeing color to his mom waiting because he doesn't know how to describe it to GMA because he's never seen what we do on a daily basis. So what I have to do is now to find turn to

--- title: Work Session date: 2024-06-26 source: 2024-06-26_Work_Session.wav --- [0:00:30, 0:00:35]: But I think I don't know why it's [0:00:45, 0:00:46]: We're good. [0:00:47, 0:01:03]: I madam clerk, I've been informed we are now live. All right. Council, ladies and gentlemen, want to start our council work session on June 26, 2024. I now have 607. [0:01:03, 0:01:05]: Please stand for the invocation. [0:01:08, 0:01:28]: I'll do this this evening. Lord, thank you for bringing us together once again as we continue to move our city forward, make the right logical decisions to make sure our citizens are taken care of and we're able to d deliver on our particular um a mission in reference to our our services that we we give to our citizens. Be us always, Lord, we continue to have great dialogue and as we continue to [0:01:28, 0:01:48]: To go forward with the with things that are happening within our city. Be us always Lord in your name. Amen. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice. [0:01:48, 0:01:50]: Madam Clerk, Rocal, please. [0:01:51, 0:01:59]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Berry. Let the record reflect. Mayor Pro Tem Berry is not in attendance. [0:02:00, 0:02:13]: Councilmember Alexander. Present. Council Member Barber. Present. Councilmember Gantt. Present. Council Member Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:14, 0:02:15]: [135.6, 140.1]: So move from Mr. Alexander, second. Ms. Barber? Okay, all favor, please indicate. [0:02:20, 0:02:26]: Okay, so improved. Thank you very much. And please review the uh minutes that you have before you uh for a council meeting. [0:02:27, 0:02:28]: Um on June tenth. [0:02:29, 0:02:33]: And review that and we'll be able to approve those at our next uh council meeting in July. [0:02:33, 0:02:35]: Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? [0:02:37, 0:02:57]: Okay, thank you. So on that note, we'll go to New Business. New business. Council consideration to approve the purchase of two F one fifty uh F three fifties with service body and light package under the Georgia statewide contract number nine nine nine nine-spd ES four zero one nine nine three seven three-shaped. [0:02:57, 0:03:11]: It says with Alan Vigil Ford an amount of$143,001. Funding source from the Public Works Department budget items presented by it says Mr. Aaron here. I guess I was gonna do this. Okay. Please, sir. [0:03:15, 0:03:17]: Evening. Is it Mankon? Mikeon? [0:03:17, 0:03:20]: Yes, honor. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. [0:03:23, 0:03:29]: We're asking that the council approve us getting the F three fifties. [0:03:31, 0:03:43]: Uh, for our fleet. Our fleet is old, um and this is past due. So we're looking to upgrade vehicles at this present time. So we're asking just, you know, for these two F three fifties. [0:03:45, 0:03:50]: Okay. Any questions? M Ms. Gantt, did you have a question for Al at all? [0:03:50, 0:04:01]: I know. All right. Um I see that we're going back to the old vendor on this. What was how did how did you guys choose the vendor of which to go to? [0:04:01, 0:04:05]: Uh whoever's has the state contract. It's not many [0:04:05, 0:04:15]: It's not many that have state contract as far as the vehicles that we're uh requesting the Fords. It's gonna be either Allen Vidigal or Wayford. Then also too with that [0:04:16, 0:04:21]: The way um as far as getting approval and everything, we meet. [0:04:23, 0:04:43]: We come kind of last as far as the block of vehicles when other municipalities, you know, saying submit theirs, the way our budget runs and the approval and everything, that we're kinda on the last end of getting our vehicles. So, you know, when Wave Ford may have it, by that time they close out, then we have to go to Alan Vigil. [0:04:43, 0:04:49]: is like a back and forth thing. But pretty much that's how we choose the um all-state contractors. [0:04:50, 0:04:56]: So those are only two places we can get those vehicles. M Mr. Aaron's coming up with that real quick. [0:05:01, 0:05:15]: Well the reason why is Alan Vigil,'cause they have the state contract for the F three fifties. So it's broken down. Some have the F one fifty, some have the F two fifty, but Alan Vigil is the only one on state contract that has the F three fifties. [0:05:15, 0:05:18]: Okay, thank you. Ms. Elzar. [0:05:18, 0:05:36]: Yeah, so what exactly is the usage for this truck that you require this level versus a traditional one fifty? What is the what what additional work is g being done with this one? But F three fifties, um off road, um towing. [0:05:38, 0:05:45]: Um So how how much are you how much are you towing with this? Excuse me? Oh how much weight are you fli are you talking about towing with this? [0:05:45, 0:06:05]: Oh well no, we're towing we have dandy dumps that we have to tow. So when we're doing cleanup and we're doing um dump sites and everything, sometimes we don't always have to take a dump truck. We can use our F-350 to pull a dandy dump. And that's be one of the things that we need to upgrade actually um next year as well. [0:06:05, 0:06:25]: You know, and that helps with not having to have, you know, a backhoe or tractors, whatever, to lift so high to put in a uh dump truck. We can use our dandy dump where we can kind of throw stuff in ourselves or we can use a smaller bobcat to use that. But mainly, you know, we did a uh somebody got evicted. [0:06:25, 0:06:33]: We had to go out there Friday and pick that stuff up. You know what I'm saying? So we had a tow of dandy dump as well. So the homeless and camps. [0:06:34, 0:06:39]: that we have to break down and everything. So we had a toe, you know, a dandy dump for that. [0:06:40, 0:06:48]: So and then as well as holding the crews as well. So it's enough room for these gentlemen to be in. We get the power and all of that stuff. [0:06:48, 0:07:08]: Okay, so pretty much you are being exercised the use of this equipment uh for uh the cleanups in the city, which we have had. Correct. Uh we have had one over uh off of Joe Car. Correct. We had no law Davidson Parkway, so correct. This particular equipment is aiding in the cleanup of the city when we have it's illegal dumping company. [0:07:08, 0:07:16]: Correct. And then also it provides us to go off off road as well to some of them areas. So that's not, you know, right off the street. [0:07:17, 0:07:18]: Okay. [0:07:18, 0:07:19]: Thank you. [0:07:20, 0:07:24]: Mr uh Mr um Thomas, please, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Um [0:07:26, 0:07:27]: They [0:07:27, 0:07:33]: And I'm I'm familiar with some of the issues that the city has has has a challenge in cleanup. [0:07:34, 0:07:39]: Let me see if I can put this in a better perspective going forward. Um [0:07:39, 0:07:42]: When the city has to [0:07:43, 0:07:44]: A bait [0:07:45, 0:07:46]: An issue. [0:07:47, 0:07:52]: So the answer that you gave to Mr Alexander, that's what it's ought to seem like and I know [0:07:53, 0:08:11]: Uh Mr. Aaron and I have had this conversation about nuisance and the city's ability to abate these issues. So are we sorta looking forward, Mr. Aaron, uh with this equipment and when the city has to abate [0:08:12, 0:08:32]: With with the F-350s, it allows you to pull and tow equipment. If they had to pull a uh backhoe out to the site, they can tow it with and pull it with the F-350, but you can't do that with an F-150 or F-250. Also, when they take a bobcat out to the site, they're using an F-350 to get that equipment. [0:08:32, 0:08:52]: out to the site. So you're choosing a higher level, higher powered vehicle so that you can tow equipment when you have to. Instead of them taking a dump truck out there, because they can pull something with it, they can take the F-350 and also have more available options because the F-350 have tools on it and things of that nature. So we're using it [0:08:52, 0:08:57]: is pulling power versus why we don't get a F-150 for what they're trying to do. [0:08:58, 0:09:00]: All right, thank you. Well Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:09:02, 0:09:08]: Yes. Um, Mr. Aaron, this F three fifty purchase here. [0:09:09, 0:09:09]: Yes, ma'am. [0:09:10, 0:09:15]: Was this prepared by internal staff? [0:09:15, 0:09:29]: That sheet right there? Yes. That's just a spreadsheet of the cost of each one of those behaviors. I know. I'm trying to understand the calculations though. It says the original budget is two forty, and that is correct. But it says the remaining budget. [0:09:30, 0:09:43]: What is the remaining remaining budget is what's left after we purchase those two trucks. It's what was allocated was two hundred and forty thousand for vehicles. But this has remaining budget of a hundred and eighty-four thousand eight seventy. [0:09:45, 0:09:48]: So if your original budget is two forty and this [0:09:49, 0:09:52]: These purchases are a hundred and forty three thousand. [0:09:52, 0:09:54]: That would leave ninety six thousand. [0:09:55, 0:09:59]: So I was just confused as to what this remaining budget is. [0:10:03, 0:10:04]: Station. [0:10:21, 0:10:41]: So that might have been when we did the transit van. There's also a transit van in this calculation for the vehicle purchases. Okay. So that's included in that number. Thank you, sir. And I want to know, so the current trucks, the mileage, you normally give us that. [0:10:41, 0:11:01]: Are they still operable? These are vehicles, we're replacing vehicles that were surplus three to five years ago that are still at public works that have been on gov deal that we've we've tried to get rid of. So these are replacing those vehicles. And also, we gotta understand, too, that when we annex those are different. [0:11:01, 0:11:03]: [663.8, 669.7]: There's also a need for additional vehicles to support the work that we're doing in those locations as well. [0:11:10, 0:11:11]: Okay, thank you. [0:11:12, 0:11:32]: All right, if there are no other questions for the council, I need a motion to accept this proposal. So moved. Okay, is there a second? Okay, Ms. Ganttz, second that. All in favor, please indicate unanimous decision. Thank you very much. All right, thank you. Okay. And next we have the council consideration to approve the purchase of one transit van under Georgia statewide contract nine nine nine nine. [0:11:32, 0:11:45]: SPD-ES four zero one nine nine three seven three dash zero zero nine S, the Wade Ford and amount of fifty-five thousand one hundred thirty dollars. Funding sourced from the Public Works Department budgeted funds. And Al, I guess you have this one as well. [0:11:46, 0:12:06]: Yes. Uh we're requesting a transit van for facility maintenance. Um again, this is the van that we currently have. It'll be over$20,000 or$30,000 to kind of replace it. That's an older van from 2014, I believe. So again. [0:12:06, 0:12:26]: And we're asking that the council, you know, saying approve this as well. Okay, Mr. Alzheimer's, go ahead. Yeah, I know you have a question, sir. Yeah, I think uh certainly uh w during the class, all of us just went to Savannah uh and we discussed this with the city manager and Mr. Aaron as well about the use of the alternative fuel vehicle which be [0:12:26, 0:12:46]: uh an EV vehicle as far as it's concerned. The price markup on this is fifty-five thousand dollars and the EV is uh practically the same price basically and under the state contract we would be able to do that and I can't tell you how many times I've heard about the [0:12:46, 0:13:06]: the transmissions going out, the you know, the engines going out and various things happening with uh with with this equipment as far as the maintenance is concerned. And I think we all heard uh the benefit of the EVs uh vehicles uh being used in this capacity uh as well as we [0:13:06, 0:13:26]: We have the charging ports available out here at City Hall, and with the increased battery capacity of 300-350 plus miles, then certainly we want to be able to take car take care of the maintenance saving. And we are hoping that the city can continue to move forward with uh easy. [0:13:26, 0:13:46]: EVs and alternative fuel vehicles to cut down on some of the maintenance as we look at cost savings for the city and being good stewards of the citizens' money in this fashion. But I sent out the the sales pitch for the salesperson out there was pretty genuine. [0:13:46, 0:14:06]: in that uh what they told us and I learned a few things that I had not learned. I did not I did not realize the EV did not have a transmission to go out in it. It was directly to the fuel, directly to the uh tires to move the vehicle along and certainly that would save us no belts, no hoses uh to go out and those [0:14:06, 0:14:26]: Those are tremendous maintenance items that we have to maintain these items on. So certainly that would be the encouragement to explore that and to make that happen. Okay, but yes. And that and that's that's really good. And we are exploring that, but that's in the near future. You know, um, we're in talks with enterprise as far as, you know. [0:14:26, 0:14:46]: Leasing vehicles. And we would try to take that option when it comes to leasing vehicles. As of right now, with that van, it would be used as far as maintenance, it'll be tools and all the types of equipment on it. And then our only charger stations is leaving it at City Hall in the open versus at the maintenance shop. [0:14:46, 0:14:50]: where, you know, saying it's behind, you know, gates and locks of that nature. [0:14:50, 0:14:57]: But I mean, we're definitely not trying to exclude out having, you know, E V vehicles, but at this present time. [0:14:57, 0:15:03]: There's just a need for us to have, you know, that transit van as far as gasoline and everything like that. [0:15:03, 0:15:11]: But we're not but we're not definitely, you know, saying that's not off the table for us to go EV, but we would rather try to use [0:15:12, 0:15:32]: Enterprise for that, the least and options. But let me just say this right now. It's it's sometimes it's later, later, later. We've been hearing that for three years. This is the direction uh I think we should go in. Sometimes you gotta you gotta bite the bullet and and make it happen. So certainly this is if it's the food the the cost is comparable and [0:15:32, 0:15:52]: and and and the savings is there and we're trying to leave this for a better place than we found it for our children and the and folks down the down down the line. This is the direction that we want to go and I'm certainly that from talking to the salesperson that wait for the vehicle is available right now. [0:15:52, 0:16:12]: So you don't have to wait. So basically it's a choice of which um fuel option that you would wanna use for the vehicle. Charging port would be every three to four days and three hundred and fifty miles uh in distance. So I know there's always apprehensive to change, but certainly change is something that [0:16:12, 0:16:20]: That we see coming in the future that really needs to happen. So I certainly would allow Mr. Aaron to say a few words as well. [0:16:22, 0:16:42]: Well, we would contact Wade for it and then we'll get a price comparison EV versus uh regular gasoline vehicle. But one of the things I say, Enterprise is coming in July to speak with us about vehicle program. And along with that program comes a a maintenance agreement as well. So EV is relatively. [0:16:42, 0:17:02]: New for a lot of people as far as maintenance. Where do we take the vehicle to get service? If it we got to go 50 or 100 miles to get it serviced, then there's an issue. But enterprise already has a program, so they have contract with different vendors and things like that. So the maintenance will be a lot easier. We're just trying to say, we're not ducking the [0:17:02, 0:17:03]: Yes, we understand. [0:17:04, 0:17:24]: That you know, we work and protect the environment and one of the things we're gonna do is certain vehicles can be EV because they're not going anywhere, they're in the city. But certain vehicles, like I said, my main concern would be as Al said, you got a truck with fifty plus thousand dollars worth of tools in it, and somebody breaks into it and steal our tools while [0:17:24, 0:17:27]: at City Hall charging you know [0:17:27, 0:17:47]: I just think right now if we just go ahead and get the gasoline power it's always a reason not to and I've heard a bunch of excuses and we continue to hear them. I'm not voting for anything other than uh than us to explore that option. The rest of the council can do what they want to do, but we've been up here making excuses for five years. [0:17:47, 0:17:52]: Enough of that. [0:17:53, 0:17:56]: Okay, any other any other questions from the council thoughts? [0:17:57, 0:17:58]: No. [0:17:59, 0:18:19]: All right, so uh well need need a motion then. What would Sir I'm gonna make a motion for them to explore the option as the city manager has said on the price comparison uh for an EV vehicle for this, if the cost is uh comparable and for us to move forward and then certainly as we um go toward enterprise, we certainly will [0:18:18, 0:18:26]: Or would encourage enterprise to uh supply us with EV vehicles uh as well. Thank you. Is there a second motion? [0:18:27, 0:18:30]: Is there a second to the motion? Is Barber second that? [0:18:31, 0:18:32]: All in favor, please uh [0:18:33, 0:18:33]: Indicate. [0:18:34, 0:18:35]: All polls? [0:18:36, 0:18:43]: You you okay, okay. I got three over here, sir. You you for it? Four, zero, you standing? Yeah. [0:18:43, 0:18:46]: Okay, 401. Motion passed. Thank you, gentlemen. [0:18:49, 0:19:06]: All right. Council consideration approved the request for proposal RFP twenty twenty four dash zero zero zero one for civil engineering to Whitley Engineering Services an amount of five thousand dollars per month with option for renewal years at the city of Stockbridge discretion. Mr. Anderson, please. Good evening. Um [0:19:08, 0:19:28]: The purpose of this item is to award our civil engineering contract for the community development department. On our March 4th, we received three responses to our RFP for our civil engineering services. The firms were CPL Architecture and Engineering, Stand. [0:19:28, 0:19:31]: Tech Consulting Services and Whitley Engineering. [0:19:33, 0:19:36]: Um staff I mean the cities [0:19:37, 0:19:40]: організм a review committe. [0:19:40, 0:20:00]: composed of uh various city employees from different departments and uh they ranked the firms based on the proposals that they submitted. Uh Willie Engineering was number one, CPL architecture engineering was number two, and Stantec was number three. Uh on this slide right here [0:20:00, 0:20:02]: It lists all the requirements. [0:20:03, 0:20:06]: and duties that that particular firm would have to do. [0:20:07, 0:20:21]: And then the right column is what uh is the cost proposal amount submitted by Willie Engineering. That amount is at least fifty percent less than the city hiring its own civil engineer, and it's more than fifty percent less than the market rate. [0:20:22, 0:20:30]: Uh, here's um CPL's cost proposal. This cost proposal right here would have cost us tens of thousands of dollars a month. [0:20:32, 0:20:52]: Um, if we had accepted that one. Uh also the one from KCI Technologies Stand Tech, it would have been tens of thousands per month based on the amount of reviews that we currently have because we are really busy. Um staff recommendation is to um award the contract to Willie. [0:20:52, 0:21:03]: Willie Engineering for um for a proposal not to exceed seventy five thousand for one year with the option at the city's discretion for four one year renewable option, for four year renewable periods. [0:21:05, 0:21:15]: All right, thank you, sir. All right. Okay, questions, counsel. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Mr. Anderson, yes, sir, sir. All right, how are you doing, Councilman? Um [0:21:16, 0:21:30]: What uh when does this contract go into effect? Currently Willie Engineering is is on the emergency contract that that's slate that's slated to expire at the end of uh next month. So it will go into effect August. [0:21:31, 0:21:32]: When will it be in? [0:21:32, 0:21:34]: Uh August of twenty twenty five. [0:21:37, 0:21:39]: Okay, um [0:21:41, 0:22:00]: As one of the council members mentioned, uh we just come out of training. Yes, sir. And some information that we received is sort of contrary to contracts. But I'd have this discussion with you uh later. Okay. So um [0:22:00, 0:22:20]: At the end, it states here that this agreement is for one year. Yes, sir. With the option of renewal for four years. So you will come before the council every year when the contract ends for the renewal period, you will come back to the council. Yes sir. Each and every time. Yes, sir. Okay. But I do re [0:22:20, 0:22:33]: reserve um to have this conversation about when contracts end, regardless of when it starts but when it ends. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Go ahead. Questions down this way. [0:22:33, 0:22:53]: Yeah, let me just say I echo Councilman Thomas's thoughts. That was something that was eye-opening for me as well in terms of uh contract expiration being the count being the end of the calendar year, and certainly something that we need to look at and to examine to see whether or not the practice [0:22:53, 0:22:57]: [1379.6, 1385.3]: Okay, any other questions? All right, no other questions on the motion to accept this. [0:23:07, 0:23:07]: Uh. [0:23:07, 0:23:27]: I move to approve the request for a proposal for civil engineering to Whitley Engineering Services and the amount not to exceed$75,000 for one year. Okay. Okay. Mr. Azine, you second that? Yes. Okay, good. Ms. Ms. Gannon, you must have a no. Okay, good. All in favor, please intend. [0:23:27, 0:23:28]: Okay. [0:23:28, 0:23:48]: Um councilman Thomas raised a very valid point. So with this being a one year contract, that means this contract will end this time next year. In August, but he'll bring them back. I think through the conversation is what I understand, he'll bring [0:23:48, 0:23:57]: back several months prior to that for for of us to to approve for another one year extension. That's what I understand. But what I'm saying is [0:23:57, 0:24:00]: This original contract that we're proving right now. [0:24:01, 0:24:21]: We need for it to end in December. I'm sorry. Are you gonna bring it back December of this year? So you're gonna bring it back next year? Uh it will be next year. So I what you're trying to line it up with the budget year? Is that the is that the goal? Yes. Okay, so we'll have to do that during our budget process. We'll just adjust our budget to line up with to make sure that it lines [0:24:21, 0:24:22]: [1462.6, 1472.7]: So you're gonna bring it back to us this year or no It would be next year. Okay, so that would be I understand the goal, so we will so we will line it up based upon [0:24:33, 0:24:53]: So that would be a seventeen month contract if it is to end December thirty-first of twenty twenty five. No, no, well I understand what you're saying, Councilmember Bar, but no it won't be if that is the wishes of the council. I certainly support it, just so that we can align it with our budget. Yeah, we we probably can do that some other kind of way. [0:24:53, 0:25:06]: Mayor Ford, let me resend that motion so I can restate it. All right. If you want to rescind the motion, go right ahead. You since you made it, you can resend it. Okay. All right. Mayor Ford. Yes, one stand by one place. Yes, sir. [0:25:07, 0:25:08]: Some [0:25:08, 0:25:16]: Yes, sir. I'm sorry, I thought you were recognizing. No. Um a couple of things, and and and I'm glad that she she did res saying that. [0:25:16, 0:25:19]: From my understanding, Mr. Uh Anderson, is that [0:25:20, 0:25:21]: Um [0:25:22, 0:25:42]: Regardless of when it is initiated, all contracts end at the end of the year. It doesn't matter what cycle you're on. But I think our procurement manager's here, uh Mayor Ford, if if it's okay if we can get some clarification on this issue of when contracts really end. [0:25:42, 0:25:47]: And if she could share uh could share in the light on that, I would love to hear that. [0:25:48, 0:25:49]: Alright. [0:25:50, 0:25:51]: Is the procurement manager here? [0:25:52, 0:25:53]: It's so hot. [0:25:54, 0:25:58]: Procure me. [0:25:58, 0:26:00]: Okay, well stand by folks, stand by. [0:26:01, 0:26:20]: Legally the contract ends when the term of the contract ends. Okay, we need to So when you sign a contract, the term of that contract governs when the contract comes to an end, is when the term of that contract says. Right. Now I'm sorry. [0:26:21, 0:26:26]: I think is I don't know if that's where you're going, kinda. Certain contracts can't go beyond [0:26:28, 0:26:33]: Certain contract and this is why I wish the city attorney was here, but certain contracts can't go beyond the term of counsel. [0:26:34, 0:26:34]: Um [0:26:35, 0:26:55]: If so, they have to be obviously that's where you have the renewal process on a on a given basis for you to extend it. So for instance, they had a two year contract because the term of the mayor ends within that two years, but with three year extension, the next council or the next mayor gets to see and approve that contract, even if it's for another year. Um but I don't know if he's [0:26:55, 0:26:57]: Yeah, it's money. [0:26:58, 0:27:18]: And I agree with with what what um Councilmember um Barber wants to do. It makes a sense it makes a lot of sense that rather than having the contract in next year this time, aligning it with the with the budget cycle would actually work. That way we can bid it out, know what our price is, and then incorporate that price in the next year, upcoming fiscal year for the for that period for that. [0:27:18, 0:27:31]: annual period. So what she says actually makes makes a lot of sense. Than thank you sir. Mayor Ford. Yes sir. Um I I I didn't get a response. I would like the procurement manager come forward. All right. To share some light on procure procurement. [0:27:32, 0:27:37]: to share some light on it and I and I think what we've been doing here in the Cities for practice [0:27:37, 0:27:45]: I won't say we've been doing it incorrectly, uh, but there's some issues and hopefully we can we can get some clarification. [0:27:47, 0:28:06]: Thank you. So yes, sir, that is correct. We are moving forward to aligning all our contracts up with the um physical year. So we on the calendar year. So all of our contracts, the initial term will be should have been from August to December the thirty first, and then the first renewal starts then. [0:28:07, 0:28:10]: But yes, we are in that process. That is a good practice. [0:28:10, 0:28:30]: Okay, back to Miss Ms. You've done certain Well I'm I'm still a little concerned about this particular contract. Okay. And I know Mr. Anderson saying that in the current contract ends next month or something. Yes. So it ends next month. So now here we are, we need to do something when this one [0:28:30, 0:28:33]: So I guess the question though is that the other one is a little bit more than [0:28:34, 0:28:36]: Do we initiate this contract? [0:28:37, 0:28:42]: to start at the end of this one. But the question is when does it end? [0:28:42, 0:28:47]: So um, like Miss Barber was saying, if we can add the additional four months. [0:28:47, 0:28:51]: to the contract and then bring it back um [0:28:52, 0:29:12]: Bring it back the following year. That would make sense. Since we are right here at the end of the year. Yes. So So just roll it. Yeah, those roll those additional four months, August to December together and then start the other twelve months. So I would if that makes sense. I would recommend in the motion. [0:29:12, 0:29:16]: Mrs. Councilwoman Barber that this be stated in the motion. [0:29:18, 0:29:29]: Oh you have w you c well go ahead, sir. Is there is there a substantial price difference between doing it the month to month as we're on now under the emergency versus the renewal, or are we talking apples to apples? [0:29:29, 0:29:45]: Um it's the price. Be on the mic. But when you get re if if we go on a if we run it from August to December thirty first, there might be a chance that it could be renegotiated to a higher fee. There's a possibility. [0:29:47, 0:29:51]: Okay. Okay, good. Okay, back Miss Barber. [0:29:52, 0:30:12]: Yeah, that's exactly why I wanted to go ahead and lock this in for a year and four months. Yeah, twenty twenty five. Yes. Yes. This is a pretty good rate, five thousand dollars a month. But I'll go ahead and make the motion if everybody is fine. [0:30:12, 0:30:22]: Before you do that, Miss Ms. Anderson Anderson, you understand what we're gonna do here? Yes, sir, I understand. Okay. So she's running it for for sixteen months instead of twelve months. Okay. All right. Go ahead, please. [0:30:22, 0:30:25]: I motion to approve [0:30:25, 0:30:26]: The requ [0:30:26, 0:30:39]: The new contract for civil engineering for Whitley Engineering Services in the amount of five thousand dollars per month with an option for renewal years beginning [0:30:39, 0:30:45]: In August through December thirty first of twenty twenty five. [0:30:45, 0:30:50]: Okay, is there a second emotion? Look, uh mist I got Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. [0:30:50, 0:30:57]: Genau decision. Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank thank you. Okay, okay, Mr. Washington. Thank you. [0:30:58, 0:31:12]: This just so everybody knows, we will do it that way, but just as a a point of of you know professional education, it'll be for a year with four one month renewals to get to the sixteen months. [0:31:12, 0:31:15]: With all. All right. Appreciate [0:31:19, 0:31:21]: Alrighty. [0:31:23, 0:31:43]: four one one okay council consideration approve request for excuse me council consideration to approve request for proposal RFP twenty twenty four dash zero zero five for janitory maintenance services intercontinental commercial services incorporated amount of one hundred forty three thousand dollars and one hundred forty three one hundred thousand [0:31:43, 0:31:48]: A hundred and forty three one hundred thousand dollars. Okay, presented by Mr Barnes, please. [0:31:51, 0:32:05]: Yes, we're asking for the uh council's request uh to approve this. We're switching janitorial companies and we're actually um going back with ICS from the BMS um services. [0:32:06, 0:32:07]: Questions, Council that you may have. [0:32:09, 0:32:12]: You go ahead, Mr Mr. Barnes. [0:32:13, 0:32:19]: How you sir? I'm doing fine. So in the janitorial contract [0:32:20, 0:32:22]: Can you share with us any [0:32:23, 0:32:32]: um improvements or any in in your in your discussion with the various uh applicants, uh shared with the council [0:32:33, 0:32:38]: uh some improvements that you have detected um [0:32:39, 0:32:51]: I I think we always should look to improve uh our service delivery as we do to the citizen, but even the contracts that that that we uh implement. [0:32:52, 0:32:56]: Especially when it comes to something like a janitor. So can you speak to [0:32:57, 0:33:06]: any of the improvements um that you have detected or even in your conversation with the with the various uh vendors. [0:33:06, 0:33:26]: Well actually that's one of the reasons why we're um that we're going with another company because the current company is not keeping up to the standard that you know we're requesting you know as a um staff and as a city. Um they've only been with us since September. You know, we're not satisfied. We had maybe on [0:33:26, 0:33:46]: Honestly, three meetings with them. And they're still, you know, when we call them, they'll come out here. And I'm sure you all work walking these buildings and kind of see, you know, saying stuff that's out of place that should not be. Um, so even with ICS, we actually have a meeting with them tomorrow. Um, they were currently with us um last year. [0:33:46, 0:33:56]: last year. So I'ma stress to them the importance of, you know, them keeping a level of standard of cleaning. Cause if not, then we'll be right back at it again. [0:33:56, 0:34:01]: But we're not gonna settle for just mediocre cleaning when, you know, we're [0:34:02, 0:34:04]: you know, spending this type of money for their services. [0:34:04, 0:34:24]: So so how do you evaluate or are there periodical points in time that you meet with the vendor to discuss uh improvement, but mainly how do you evaluate? I know you get word of mouth from Well you get word of mouth to evaluate, but it'll you can just look and see if it ain't being clean. [0:34:24, 0:34:26]: It's not being clean. [0:34:26, 0:34:31]: You know, so also, you know, if I'm meeting with uh the manager that's on site [0:34:32, 0:34:36]: You know, as far as letting them know, you know, taking pictures. [0:34:36, 0:34:37]: Walk in the buildings with them. [0:34:38, 0:34:56]: It's evident if they're not cleaning, you can see that they're not cleaning. Right. Um so then also too, going, you know, speaking with the regional manager, we don't had numerous, uh talking about BMS, we don't had numerous conversations with them. But how many more conversations should we have until, you know, saying we just move forward as a city? [0:34:56, 0:35:16]: Right. So do you make a a purpose walk through the various buildings to to actually to see? We do a walkthrough every morning as far as facility maintenance. You know, so we walk through here when we get in uh when we get maybe by six fifteen in the morning. But again, if we're walking through it. [0:35:16, 0:35:18]: Івен має офис. [0:35:18, 0:35:23]: If it's not clean, it's not clean, you know, so you know saying you can see. [0:35:23, 0:35:26]: You know, so I again, well, with that being said, [0:35:28, 0:35:37]: after so many meetings, it's just time for us to move forward. Right. Mayor, this is my last question. Um in the years after COVID, [0:35:38, 0:35:58]: There was an item called COVID cleaning. So is that still a part of um the evaluation, a part of the services, or is that still um an identified item in the contract that says covet cleaning? That's still provided. That's in the scope of work from my understanding. [0:35:58, 0:36:18]: And also, too, as you may understand, COVID has not gone anywhere. So you do have small cases. And then when those cases do arise, we fog and we take, you know, wipe downs and everything seriously. So we're still going by, you know, saying the guidelines that we set as far as when COVID was in place. [0:36:18, 0:36:38]: Thank you. I yield back, man. No problem. Any other questions from this end? Yeah, is the air conditioner working in here? I'm sorry. I I know, I know. We're we're having issues with that. Uh we actually had a technician out here this morning. So I mean, actually this late late afternoon. So and they're coming back out in the morning. So uh [0:36:38, 0:36:45]: I apologize for that. But I was actually out here till four forty with them trying to get this up and going. So [0:36:46, 0:36:47]: Any other questions on this this topic? [0:36:48, 0:36:57]: And so I do have a so this particular company out of the uh five that were evaluated, this is the best value? [0:36:57, 0:37:17]: as far as the quality of what you've seen in the past, is that what was the key decision based upon this one? Um we also we have a panel and everyone looks at all the you know the um bids and everything as far as what they submit. So they submit a packet we all go through it is gonna have you know [0:37:17, 0:37:36]: um everything pretty much about their businesses, references, as well as, you know, the managers, history of the company. And actually ICS actually came, you know, they they scored high out of everybody. So there's some close, you know, but ICS came out, you know, victorious. [0:37:37, 0:37:40]: Okay. If no other question I need a motion to accept this proposal. [0:37:42, 0:37:47]: So I moved. Okay. Is there a second Ms Barber second there from Miss Canton, Miss Barber Officer? [0:37:47, 0:37:48]: I'm sorry. [0:37:48, 0:37:52]: Do we wanna do the contract extension? Thank you, Ms Hull. [0:37:53, 0:37:53]: Um [0:37:53, 0:37:54]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:37:55, 0:38:15]: The you mean from the year to the end of December twenty twenty five to the in the fur the four months? Absolutely. But let me ask a question. Let me let me So you reset an original motion to the first one. Wait one second. But but but now with this being a new vendor, do we w might might want to wait until to see whether they work out or not before we get [0:38:15, 0:38:35]: them an extend extended contract or might we be able to back out? We don't know the quality we want to see the quality of their work before giving an extended contract. I'm not sure but I believe that we're always able to back out if they're in an event that they're not holding up to their service. Purchasing manager should be able [0:38:35, 0:38:43]: To share with you there are stipulations in the contract that they do not perform to the level that we expect. [0:38:44, 0:38:56]: And and while you're asking that, w what are the consequences of us doing month to month? Is there a penalty? Do we pay more? Um, why is it that I mean, because it would it it is easier for us to go [0:38:57, 0:39:01]: from year to year by ending in December. So [0:39:02, 0:39:13]: Once we get all the contracts lined up eventually, hopefully it will look like from December to December. So whatever year, whether it's one year or four years or five years, all of them will end. [0:39:13, 0:39:31]: In Decem December, by the time we is there anything that is going to make it complicated that we do those Ford months, like with the other contracts, anything else if we had individual months year to month to month?'Cause I we've had to do it in the past. So I'm I don't see I just wanna make sure. [0:39:32, 0:39:39]: So usually when you do a month to month contract with the vendor, the prices will be renegotiated and it's gonna be more. [0:39:40, 0:39:45]: So the f the initial year should be from July seventeenth. [0:39:46, 0:40:00]: July the seventeenth through December the thirty first. That should be the initial first year. And then we're asking you all, since it's so late in the game, if you could approve it for the following year. Then we come before you again. [0:40:00, 0:40:04]: in September and ask for a renewal for the next following year. [0:40:04, 0:40:22]: So so that'd be option year number two when we come to you again for this particular contract. So would it be safe to say it'd be easier to do from July of 17th until December 31st, 2025? [0:40:23, 0:40:43]: Um twenty twenty five no, because it's it's a a di it's a initial year. So we have to all our contracts we're trying to get'em to end on December the thirty first. Okay. So that's gonna be the initial year regardless of when it was awarded. Okay. So once it's awarded, um since it's so late, this contract is so late in the game. [0:40:43, 0:40:47]: Therefore we're asking that we just go ahead and [0:40:48, 0:40:54]: get it going until the following December the thirty first, which would be the twenty twenty twenty five. [0:40:54, 0:41:14]: That's what okay. I just that's that's what I just that's what you say. Yes, ma'am, that's it. That's it. Just making sure. Yes, that's it. If that makes sense. Go ahead. So, you know, if we needed to we're moving on because we weren't satisfied with the work. So [0:41:14, 0:41:22]: this vendor we're not satisfied with the work, are we gonna be locked into this or is it No sir, we have a clause in our contract that we can terminate. [0:41:22, 0:41:25]: Okay. So we said now said okay. Yes, sir. [0:41:26, 0:41:36]: I you want to restate your motion now? Yes, I would like to restate the motion to include the expiration termination date as of December thirty first, twenty twenty five. [0:41:36, 0:41:46]: Sir second the most Ms. Barber second, all in favor please indicate. Wait, I do have a question though. So the additional months beyond the initial twelve months. [0:41:46, 0:41:49]: Will you be prorating that per month? [0:41:50, 0:41:51]: Based on [0:41:51, 0:41:52]: These terms. [0:41:52, 0:41:58]: Yes, ma'am, that's correct. So it only will be they only will pay us their monthly fee for that four months. [0:41:59, 0:42:08]: Oh they have to agree to that. Yes, they will agree to that, yes ma'am.'Cause it's actually in the contract, if you look at the contract, it uh it says the initial [0:42:08, 0:42:20]: It's gonna expire on December the thirty first. I know you mentioned that there we would probably have to pay a higher rate. That's why I asked. Oh no ma'am. You're welcome. [0:42:20, 0:42:24]: Mirful. Yes, sir. Clarification. Go ahead. So [0:42:25, 0:42:41]: In this motion and in this agreement, are we saying that we will we will do a contract from now to December 2024 plus a full 12 months. [0:42:42, 0:42:43]: Contract as well. [0:42:44, 0:42:46]: So my question is will you come back to us [0:42:47, 0:42:50]: At the end of December twenty twenty four. [0:42:51, 0:42:52]: Hopefully not. [0:42:53, 0:43:07]: No ma'am, no sir. We're not coming back twenty twenty four. We're asking you today to approve the contract for four months. That's gonna lead us out until well, five months. That's gonna lead us out to December the thirty first. [0:43:08, 0:43:13]: Then we're asking for a additional twelve months, which is the first option year. [0:43:14, 0:43:15]: So what [0:43:16, 0:43:25]: My concern is, and I thought I heard you you say earlier was that we were trying to bring all contracts in line. [0:43:26, 0:43:32]: And so this seems not to be coming in line with the practice. So that's why I'm a little confused. [0:43:32, 0:43:40]: Yeah, it's come so if we since we are so you all are you all request us to renew a contract within a hundred and twenty days. [0:43:41, 0:43:46]: So therefore, it's not gonna be a hundred and twenty days because we're just now renewing this contract. [0:43:46, 0:43:51]: So if we go ahead and renew the contract now. [0:43:52, 0:43:53]: Until December the [0:43:55, 0:44:07]: December the um 31st of 2024. And then we're asking you to exercise the first option year, which is gonna be January the first, twenty twenty-five. [0:44:08, 0:44:16]: to December the thirty first, twenty twenty five. And at that time we come back to you and ask for the um actual the second renewal date. [0:44:17, 0:44:26]: Renewal option, I'm sorry, if that makes sense. Great. So, Mayor, last question. Yes, sir. Uh are there any other contracts? [0:44:27, 0:44:43]: that falls in this same predicament as far as expiring in the next month or so that we need to come back and actually to do the very same thing. So my my concerning question is how and when [0:44:44, 0:44:53]: Do we bring everything in line with contract in and it renewal? I know it's i you may not be able to answer that, you know, point but that's sort of my concern. [0:44:53, 0:45:13]: Yes, and that's a good concern. And um basically all we can do is move forward from now for when we get new bids and have the uh have the contract set that way. That's the only thing that we can do at this point. All right, thank you. Mayor, I yield back. Okay. Any other questions? Not a but we had a motion. [0:45:13, 0:45:19]: Motion on the floor in a second. All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Now she says thank you very much. Appreciate it. [0:45:21, 0:45:41]: Okay. No. Okay. Definitely not. Announces upcoming meeting events, uh council meetings will be held. The city council chambers noting some board of committee meetings will continue to be place uh take place via Zoom meeting, dates and times, and subject to change. Please visit the city's website at W [0:45:41, 0:46:01]: www.citofstarbridge.com for the meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900 for updates. Community zoning informational meeting Thursday, June 27th, from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. in City Hall and the Council Chambers, June 27th. [0:46:01, 0:46:21]: Choice PLOS six meeting, Thursday, June 27th, 630 at the Henry County Admin Building, 140 Henry Boulevard, excuse me, 140 Henry Parkway, Pedonna, Georgia, June twenty once June twenty-seventh, of course, and uh we'll be there for that. Stockbridge Citizens, uh Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month, six PM at [0:46:21, 0:46:41]: Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard. Slide meeting, of course, will be councilled due to the Fourth of July holiday. All right. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, six PM, City Hall Council Chambers, which is July 8th. Youth Council meeting second Monday of each month at 6 30 p.m. [0:46:41, 0:46:46]: City Hall, Levi meeting room, and there is no July meeting due to the summer break. [0:46:48, 0:47:08]: Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room, July 9th. The Main Street Advisory Board meeting, second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. Location, of course, the Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail Trail, which is July 12th. Millage Rate Public Hearing Number 1. [0:47:08, 0:47:13]: Monday, July fifteenth at six thirty PM right here in the City Hall Council Chambers. And um [0:47:15, 0:47:35]: Yes, on the fifth says July okay, July eighth must be the first well at City Council, it's gotta be July fifteenth here. Downtown Development Authority meetings uh third Tuesday third Tuesday of each month, Stockbridge Downtown Center, one thirty ML King Senior Heritage Trail, July sixteenth. Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting six thirty P. M. Uh [0:47:35, 0:47:40]: Uh third Tuesday of east month in Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, Council Chambers, uh July sixteenth. [0:47:41, 0:47:46]: Planning commission meeting second uh Thursday of each month, six thirty PM, Seahall Council Chambers, July eighteenth. [0:47:47, 0:47:53]: Damillage rate uh public hearing number two, Friday, July nineteenth at ten AM, City Hall Council Chambers. [0:47:54, 0:48:12]: The millers rate public hearing number three, Monday, July twenty second at ten A.M. And actually it's ten fifty millets to be set at ten fifteen, C Hall Council Chambers, July twenty second. City Council work session meeting last Tuesday of each month, two uh Tuesday, july thirtieth, six PM, uh the city council chambers. [0:48:13, 0:48:33]: Food Truck Tasty Tuesday is back, of course. Join us for Le Clark Park at the eleven one one Davis Road, Stockbridge on Tuesday at Stockbridge on Tuesdays at five thirty eight PM for live music, great food, a host of free games and activities for the kids. Now this next following Tuesday it will not be happening because of the fourth of July holiday. Join Castleman Elton. [0:48:33, 0:48:53]: for district five town hall meeting on Saturday, June, June 29th, 2024, of course at ten A.M. at Argento at the Bridges at Jodico, three hundred Argento Drive in Madonna. And once again it's a City of Stockbridge, of course. We got a Madonna address. Go figure, right? Join the City of Stockbridge for the annual free [0:48:53, 0:49:13]: Fourth of July uh concert, uh July Extravaganza with fireworks, which will be at ten forty five on that evening, live music. The gates will open up at five PM and the concert will start at seven and end to it at eleven. Uh the concert features soul cartel, algebra and bless it. [0:49:13, 0:49:21]: Bobby V and a Michael Jackson live tribute and Kumol D has been added. So come on out folks for a free concert. [0:49:22, 0:49:42]: Join uh councilman uh councilwoman Yolanda Barber as she partners with the second year with Kicks for Kids to collect sneakers for kids on Saturday, July sixth, it's and uh Saturday, July thirteenth at Stockbridge First United Methodist Church. It will be distributed at the city's back to school kickoff on july twentieth. Please plan to donate what you can uh [0:49:42, 0:50:02]: to this life-changing initiative. Join Councilman Elton Alezana for the community cleanup event, which will be Saturday, a Saturday designated in August. Uh be uh 9 a.m. to 12 noon. So more information to follow us on the Zach Saturday date in August. Join Councilman Fonzo Thomas for the monthly senior Bingo Bash on Wednesday, July 17th, uh from [0:50:02, 0:50:22]: 10 a.m. to 12 noon, Emberomana's Conference Center, 111 Davis Road for rifles, prizes, games, snacks, and fun. Join Councilman uh Councilwoman Lakeesia Gantt in partnership with Atlanta Food Park Truck Park for the night market at Starbury's Amphitheater parking lot from 6 p.m. to 9 30 on uh [0:50:21, 0:50:26]: July eighteenth and there'll be vendors, food trucks, activities, games, music and vibes. [0:50:26, 0:50:28]: And the theme is island flavor. [0:50:29, 0:50:49]: And so contact Tan Bowers at tan at Atlanta FoodtruckPark.com for registration and additional information. Join the city of Stockbridge for the annual back to school kickoff event on Saturday, July 20th. Stockbridge Amphitheater for free school supplies from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Join me, Mayor Anthony Ford, for the monthly meet the mayor on Wednesday, July 20th. [0:50:49, 0:51:09]: 22nd from 10 a.m. to 12 noon, right here at Stockbridge City Hall. And please contact uh Rosalind Rawls to schedule an appointment for more information on council initiatives and events and call her at 678-833-3348 or by way of email at ralls at starbridgega.org. Join Councilman [0:51:09, 0:51:26]: Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative Center around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. Of course more information to follow on that as well. [0:51:28, 0:51:37]: Okay, Saturday, this Saturday July, uh excuse me, this Saturday uh twenty-ninth of j uh June, we have I Got Away Tour concert uh gospel concert. [0:51:37, 0:51:57]: Uh gates will open up at five. The concert starts at uh seven. Uh Dietrich uh Hadden, uh Patrick Pastor Mike Junior Bria uh Bra Bereno, if I've got to pronounce white, Anthony Brown, and this is in partnership with McDonald's, and they're having this concert this uh this this Saturday. Saturday, July. [0:51:57, 0:52:17]: Six, Karen Briggs Com Temple Orchestra featuring Phil Perry, Alita Adams, Regina Bell, Shelley Mencino Missini, I guess how it's pronounced, Jasmine Gantt, Brian Broomberg, and Tommy Davison. Sunday july seventh, uh the end of Fourth of July weekend featuring Charlie Wilson, the special guest is Robin Fick. [0:52:17, 0:52:18]: Yeah. [0:52:18, 0:52:38]: Saturday, July 13th and Sunday, July 14th, a night with Kim, K E M, and special guest Lila James. Saturday, July 20th and 21st will be Lazy Night Out featuring Jodice, Johnny Gill, and Silk. July 27th, 70 Soul Jam. Everybody's supposed to wear white to that particular concert. You will have the Shylights, Manhattan. [0:52:38, 0:52:58]: Blue notes, Bloodstone, and Peaches and Herb. And of course, Saturday, August 3rd, which is the last one posted on the Star on the website, is Babyface with special guests, Avery Sunshine, and Forecast. Obviously the more concerts to occur before the concert season at StockbridgeAnp.com. And July is going to be a very hot, hot month at the bridge. [0:52:58, 0:53:05]: in my comments here uh that uh we all attended the Georgia Municipal Municipal Annual Conference in Savannah. [0:53:05, 0:53:14]: Twenty-first to twenty-fifth, uh is the annual occurrence that comes up and we have a couple couple of things to mention. And first of all, very proud and and very happy. [0:53:14, 0:53:22]: uh that the Vanessa holiday is considered and is the twenty four GMA's uh twenty twenty four Clerk of the Year. Fantastic mission. [0:53:29, 0:53:31]: [3212.4, 3232.4]: And she will she will go down in history with the GMA as they keep track of all those clips of the years through all these years. So your name is forever and still with that. Outstanding. Outstanding. And also uh the GMA conference and uh we have we take classes and get educated and it's been talked about a little bit this evening. So Councilman uh Alfonso Thomas got the dedication award [0:53:52, 0:54:04]: More than two hundred and seventy six hours t to his a credit. And then Councilman Elton Alexander got the distinction award and that's a little more than two hundred and four hours of of education. So congratulate gentlemen to you as well. Okay. [0:54:07, 0:54:27]: So my initial comments, of course, it is June going into July, so keep cool, drink lots of fluids, and uh be careful, and we don't need any heat strokes or folks passing out here. And uh I have to say to you again, once again, it's hot and hot in hot summer, hot, hot July coming up with all these concerts at the bridge. And so um and please uh come out for the fourth July. [0:54:26, 0:54:45]: Line celebration independence holiday. Look forward to seeing you there at our city sponsored event. And at this time, I'm not sure if do we have an executive uh session that we need? No executive session. Okay, so on that note then, I need a motion to end our meeting, please. We did have a change in the time on July fourth, if you mentioned that. [0:54:45, 0:55:05]: Uh yeah. It's uh what I had here was um yeah seven seven to eleven and gates open at five because gates typically open two week two hours prior. So seven to eleven. Yes sir. Yeah. Thank you. All right, no problem. All right, I need a motion to end our meeting, please. So is there so for Mr. Azan? Is there a second? I second. Okay, Mr. Gansay all favor, please indicate. [0:55:05, 0:55:06]: We have now adjourned. God bless you all.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2024-06-20 source: 2024-06-20_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:18, 0:00:19]: Fire. [0:00:24, 0:00:25]: [ 26.4, 30.5]: Red on the [0:00:59, 0:01:06]: It is now six thirty. The Plan Commission meeting for june twentieth, twenty twenty four will now come to order. [0:01:09, 0:01:10]: Must do [0:01:11, 0:01:31]: Williams, would you do the invocation, please? Sure. Please bow your heads. Lord God, thank you for allowing us to come before during this meeting to conduct the business of our community. We thank the constituents for coming out, God. So allow us to conduct this meeting in the matter of business. Guide our hearts and our minds in the spirit of fairness through truth and speech, God. [0:01:31, 0:01:34]: Make it fair and easy. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. [0:01:35, 0:01:37]: Does that stand for the place, please? [0:01:41, 0:01:53]: [120.6, 123.1]: Madam Secretary, could we have a roll call, please? [0:02:07, 0:02:11]: Stanley Dumas. Present. Anthony Mitten. [0:02:14, 0:02:15]: Right. [0:02:17, 0:02:18]: President [0:02:23, 0:02:23]: President. [0:02:31, 0:02:33]: Believe we have a quorum, is that correct? [0:02:35, 0:02:37]: Thank you, Madam Secretary. [0:02:45, 0:02:50]: I need a motion please to adopt the agenda. Chair, motion to adopt the agenda. [0:02:51, 0:02:52]: Zero segment. [0:02:53, 0:03:05]: Mr. Williams has made a motion to adopt the agenda. Mr. Thibodeau seconded. All in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. The agenda is adopted. [0:03:08, 0:03:12]: You have before you the minutes from the april eighteenth, twenty twenty four meeting. [0:03:14, 0:03:18]: If you haven't already done so, I would ask that you take a moment to peruse the minutes. [0:03:20, 0:03:22]: For any necessary corrections. [0:03:37, 0:03:43]: There are no corrections. I need a motion to approve, please. Well Ms. Chair, I think we have one discorrection. That would be uh [0:03:44, 0:03:45]: Turn your microphone on, please, sir. [0:03:47, 0:03:56]: think I have one one correction. That would be uh May sixteenth, am I correct? Not eighteenth? May sixteenth. Yeah. [0:03:57, 0:04:05]: Look at that. I think that the the agenda is incorrect. It says April eighteenth, but it's really Ma sixteenth. [0:04:09, 0:04:11]: Any other corrections? [0:04:15, 0:04:29]: On the agenda item number six, it's asking for approval of the minutes from April eighteenth, twenty twenty four. I think that's a typographical error. It should be saying May sixteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:04:36, 0:04:38]: I need a motion to approve, please. [0:04:40, 0:04:44]: Mr Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes as [0:04:45, 0:04:45]: Corrected. [0:04:46, 0:04:47]: Is there a second? [0:04:48, 0:04:54]: Ms. Harrow, I'll second it. It's been moved by Mr. Planchon and seconded by Mr. Tibodeau that we [0:04:56, 0:05:04]: Approve the minutes from the May 16th meeting. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of life. Aye. Any opposed. [0:05:04, 0:05:07]: I have it, the minute saw approved. [0:05:12, 0:05:25]: I'd like to welcome you all of you to the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission meeting. I am Stanley Dumas. To my left, to my far left is Mr. David Plancher. [0:05:25, 0:05:34]: To my far right is Mr Anthony Williams. I'm sorry, Jaden Williams, and to my immediate right is Mr Harold Tibador. [0:05:36, 0:05:43]: The staff members fether or Ryan Enerson is the community development director seated down at the table. [0:05:46, 0:05:49]: Valerie Ross is the city's owning attorney sitting next to him. [0:05:52, 0:05:55]: To my right I have Keedwell Jackson, the chief planner. [0:05:57, 0:06:00]: Linda Logan, who I believe is not present. [0:06:02, 0:06:06]: And Gordon Linter is a planner one. [0:06:08, 0:06:21]: There are a few protocols that I need to make you aware of before we start the meeting because this is a public hearing. I ask that you listen closely on how tonight's meeting will be conducted. [0:06:23, 0:06:28]: Number one, keep all your comments and presentations on a professional level. [0:06:29, 0:06:30]: With facts that are [0:06:30, 0:06:33]: Important for this commission to make its decision. [0:06:35, 0:06:37]: We will not accept comments that are considered [0:06:38, 0:06:43]: by the chair to be a personal attack on any individual or groups of individuals. [0:06:45, 0:06:58]: You receive will you will receive a warning from the chair if you deviate from this requirement. The second deviation will result in the request for you to leave the meeting and the premises for the evening. [0:07:00, 0:07:05]: We ask that you refrain from any applause, comments from the audience. [0:07:07, 0:07:10]: Only one person will be talking at a time. [0:07:11, 0:07:16]: All comments will be made at the podium after the speaker has been recognized by the chair. [0:07:21, 0:07:27]: Please direct all comments to the chair and the commission, not to the audience or staff. [0:07:29, 0:07:44]: Please do not applaud or react to speakers, speak from the audience, cheer or carry on a conversation with others in the audience, or disrupt the order of the meeting in any way. [0:07:46, 0:07:55]: Please be aware that these hearings are not a debate or an opportunity to ask questions that which must be answered by any individual tonight. [0:07:57, 0:08:00]: but a merely an opportunity to present information to the Commission. [0:08:03, 0:08:06]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. [0:08:08, 0:08:20]: The applicant may reserve part of his speaking time as rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allotted for the pro side of the application. [0:08:21, 0:08:25]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak longer than five minutes. [0:08:28, 0:08:36]: If you have a cell phone or other electronic device, I ask that you power them off. I'll put them on a silent mode. [0:08:39, 0:08:41]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight. [0:08:43, 0:08:49]: We ask that you fill out a form on the table up front and hand it to staff before approaching the podium. [0:08:53, 0:09:03]: After each case is called, we'll hear from the city staff and we'll hear from the applicant or their representative about what their plans are for the property. [0:09:04, 0:09:08]: along with any other relevant information they wish to present. [0:09:10, 0:09:17]: The commission members will be free to ask any questions at any time before voting on a project. [0:09:19, 0:09:30]: Following the applicant, anyone who wish to speak for or against the project or just ask questions will have an opportunity to do so. [0:09:33, 0:09:41]: Each side is restricted to a maximum of ten minutes, or time may be waived at the discretion of the presiding officer. [0:09:44, 0:09:57]: If questions are raised, may be asked the applicant to s we may ask the applicant to speak again. Afterwards, we will call for a motion and a second and have any necessary discussion. [0:09:57, 0:10:00]: And if the matter is not tabled, [0:10:01, 0:10:06]: We will vote to recommend approval or denial of the application. [0:10:08, 0:10:10]: This commission is only a recommending body. [0:10:12, 0:10:18]: The item will be heard by the mayor and council, whether we recommend approval or we recommend denial. [0:10:20, 0:10:29]: Unless tabled, these items will be heard by the city, the mayor, and the city council at their meeting on Monday, June 12th. [0:10:31, 0:10:36]: I believe that date is incorrect. I believe that should be July twelfth. [0:10:38, 0:10:43]: Okay. And it will be voted on by them at the meeting. [0:10:46, 0:11:00]: Okay. The first case we have tonight is case CP twenty twenty four dash zero two, the comprehensive plan amendment case. And it's in the properties located in Council District Four. [0:11:01, 0:11:17]: Consideration of request for a comprehensive plan amendment for property at one eleven Old Conyers Road to change the property's future land use designation of low density residentials to special purpose. [0:11:18, 0:11:25]: to allow for the struct construction of a mixed use development including commercial and residential usage. [0:11:26, 0:11:28]: The applicant is Charlie Hathawa. [0:11:29, 0:11:32]: On behalf of First National Land Trust LLC. [0:11:33, 0:11:47]: The property is located in land lot sixty eight of District twelve with six point seven one acres more or less within the city limits of Stoppridge. [0:11:50, 0:11:50]: Go ahead, Sarah. [0:11:52, 0:12:07]: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um my name is Gordon Linton, as mentioned, uh Platter one for the city of Stockbridge, and I'm here to present the cases for RZ twenty twenty-four-zero two, CP twenty-four-zero two, and VR twenty-four-zero one. [0:12:12, 0:12:32]: These are the case facts. The applicant is Charlie Hiretower. The owner is Solutions Development LLC. And the agent is Charlie Hiretower. The number of proposed units per acre is 29.8 units per acre. The address, as mentioned, is Water Level Old Connors Road, with the number of acres being 6.71. [0:12:32, 0:12:52]: And the project characteristics is that it's vacant, it's undeveloped with an intermittent stream that's located near the southeast corner of the site, and at least three acres of properties of the property is in the Brush Creek wetlands. Currently, the future land use designation is low density residential, and the current zoning of the property. [0:12:54, 0:12:56]: It's mentioned below. Okay. [0:13:00, 0:13:00]: Uh [0:13:00, 0:13:20]: So this is the vicinity map, and this is the site right here. It's adjacent from the public shopping center. And you also have the Stockbridge Lakes Bed and Breakfast. And you also have the church, the God First Breakthrough Ministries, the Public Works Department, you got the corner store, Downtown Food Market, Cochrane Park, and you have series of topics. [0:13:20, 0:13:27]: Townhomes, which is the Diamante Townhomes, and he also had the recently approved 55 Villie Hill Road Townhomes. [0:13:31, 0:13:35]: This is the aerial photo with the side plan, which is located right here. [0:13:40, 0:13:51]: So this is the site visit that we did on May twenty-first, twenty twenty four. This is the site, uh it's vacant. And over here to the far right is uh Brush Creek uh wetlands. [0:13:54, 0:13:56]: Over here, this is the location of the stream. [0:13:59, 0:14:06]: And the property is adjacent from the public's shopping center. Um one of the retail stores is JSJ Cleaners. [0:14:10, 0:14:13]: And this is the access entrance to the proposed mixed use development. [0:14:14, 0:14:14]: Right here. [0:14:17, 0:14:25]: And this is the location of the stream. And as mentioned earlier, this is location of the Broad Street Common Wetland, which is located over here. [0:14:29, 0:14:36]: So as mentioned, three acres of the studject property are located on the Brush Creek wetlands, which is shown highlighted in the orange. [0:14:41, 0:14:44]: And this is the presentation for the CP twenty four dash zero two. [0:14:45, 0:14:57]: The applicant's request is to change the future current future land use designation from low density residential to special purpose to allow for the construction of a mixed use development that will include both commercial and residential uses. [0:14:59, 0:15:01]: And this is the special purpose in the acre. [0:15:03, 0:15:12]: Since the proposed density has a high density rate of 29.8 units per acre, the applicant requested a change from low density residential to special purpose. [0:15:13, 0:15:15]: And this is his definition? [0:15:18, 0:15:34]: And the this is the future land use map, which is shown, the property is shown in green. And the area is surrounded by the future current land use destinations of low density mixed use, low density residential, public institution, and park recreation conservation. [0:15:37, 0:15:57]: And this is the surrounding land use destination as mentioned. You have the property to the north, which is public shopping center, which is low density mixed use, along with the Stockbridge Lake Bed and Breakfast. You have the downtown Food Mark Corner Store to the south, along with the Public Works Department, which is currently with the future land use destination of low density residential. [0:15:57, 0:16:09]: Property to the east, which is the Godfirst Breakthrough Ministries, is public institution. And property to the west, which is Cochrane Park, is has a current future land use designation of park, recreation, and conservation. [0:16:11, 0:16:13]: And this is the surrounding land use densities. [0:16:17, 0:16:27]: Densities of the surrounding subdivisions as shown here ranges from one unit per acre to sixteen point three six units per acre, and the applicant has twenty nine point eight zero units per acre. [0:16:30, 0:16:36]: And this is the surrounding land use density map. And the site is shown here along with the other surrounding land use densities with the number of [0:16:37, 0:16:38]: Density units per acre. [0:16:41, 0:17:01]: As mentioned in the project information, the applicant proposes to build a mixed-use development that will consist of a five-story building with 200 apartment units and commercial spaces that will be located on the ground floor. As mentioned earlier, the subject property has a current future land use designation of low density residential. However, due to the high proposed density of 29.8 units per acre, [0:17:01, 0:17:07]: The applicant has requested to change the future land use designation from low density to special purpose. [0:17:10, 0:17:22]: The key points to highlight it from the staff analysis that we did is that the property is the proposed mixed use development is consistent with the pro current comprehensive plan goals and policies, which are shown here on the far right. [0:17:25, 0:17:34]: Among them is to provide additional housing in the downtown core, and it will provide a mixture of housing options to attract young, professionals, singles, and small families. [0:17:36, 0:17:54]: And the other key point from the staff analysis is that the proposed mixed use development is suitable for the site since it's point zero seven miles away from both the Stockbridge Amphitheater and the downtown air. It will provide a walkable community since it is close to both Cochrane Park and the public shopping center. [0:17:58, 0:18:00]: And a staff recommendation is for approval. [0:18:04, 0:18:07]: Any questions for staff from the commission? [0:18:10, 0:18:30]: Question. Um first let me say I think this is a great proposal for uh the comprehensive plan amendment. Um one of the questions I had was you said that a part of the development is in the wetlands, of the actual development, how much of the the actual development is in the wetlands? [0:18:39, 0:18:44]: Three acres. Three three point eight seven acres. Thank you. That's all I have to you. [0:18:47, 0:18:48]: Мне это пласт. [0:18:55, 0:18:56]: Perfect. [0:18:56, 0:19:00]: And this is the presentation for RZ twenty twenty four dash zero two. [0:19:02, 0:19:08]: The applicant's request is to rezone the property from SR, which is suburban residential, to PUD, which is plan [0:19:19, 0:19:23]: You have to you have to read it to the record. [0:19:25, 0:19:26]: I don't know what it is. [0:19:33, 0:19:35]: Is the appetite present? [0:19:35, 0:19:37]: Would you come forward and state your name? [0:19:40, 0:19:48]: And tell us why you're here. Good evening, everyone. Charlie Hotel, applicant of uh 111 Old Congress Road. [0:19:49, 0:19:50]: Okay, go right ahead, sir. [0:19:51, 0:20:11]: And exactly what am I requesting? I I think Gordon did a great job, but I can kind of recap what he done. It's my speaking to the microphone, please. Yes, sir. It's my understanding that the subject property has a hardship, which is the three acres approximate in the wetlands. Therefore, the need for the series of applications. [0:20:11, 0:20:18]: That were submitted is required in order to facilitate this project. The first one being the [0:20:18, 0:20:24]: the rezoning from uh suburban res residential to uh PUD, the second one being the [0:20:25, 0:20:26]: Amendment to the comprehensive plan. [0:20:27, 0:20:27]: Oh from [0:20:28, 0:20:48]: Low density to special purpose. The third one being the variance that we're requesting to increase the density from 24 units per acre to 29 units per acre. The fourth one being to decrease the parking. I believe two bedrooms require parking 1.75 units per two bedrooms. [0:20:48, 0:21:02]: bedroom to reduce that to 1.25 units. And for the one bedroom, I believe the requirements is 1.25 units per one bedroom studio to reduce that to one car per one bedroom. [0:21:02, 0:21:18]: The last but not least, I believe the um ratio for commercial versus residential by default is 75% to 25% ratio. Um, we would like to reduce that from 85.5% to twelve point five percent. [0:21:19, 0:21:27]: And that is our request. And the reason for that request is simply based on the hardship that the property has presented with half of the property being in the wetlands. [0:21:31, 0:21:34]: Any questions for Mr. Hatow from the commission? [0:21:34, 0:21:39]: Yeah, I have a couple of questions. Um have we done a traffic study? We have. [0:21:40, 0:22:00]: And also, have we done a study about the wetland in terms of the stream? Uh is that stream gonna be relocated? Uh is it gonna cause any flooding area? It would not impact the part that uh studies is underway for the wetland. As far as the traffic study, it does not impact apart that. [0:22:00, 0:22:06]: either. Uh I'm unable to speak intelligently on a traffic study. I will lead it to the traffic engineer. [0:22:07, 0:22:17]: And my next question is, have you talked to the the neighbors around there or Yes. We did a committee meeting, received feedback, no concerns or reservations. [0:22:18, 0:22:20]: Now my next question is [0:22:21, 0:22:41]: What are you gonna do about water runoff? That's a possibility that uh you may flood property by redeveloping the land, things to that nature. I'm quite sure that's what they're gonna ask. Definitely great question. And um we lead that to the civil engineers to propose a solution. Uh from what we see, we don't see any [0:22:41, 0:22:52]: impact the actual structure is not in the wetlands. A partial of the parking would be rearranged off the wetlands, but as we see, we doesn't see any impact. [0:22:54, 0:22:56]: Thank you. Yes. [0:22:56, 0:22:57]: Any more questions? [0:22:57, 0:23:17]: I have a question. Um one I just want to say thank you because anytime we have development for young professionals specifically, I'm always for it. But um just confirming, you did say you did complete an impact study for the development, right? Traffic study. Okay. Um any community meetings with the with that surrounding area? [0:23:17, 0:23:37]: We uh yes, we approximately mailed out 23 letters to 23 partials within 500 feet of the subject property, which is a requirement based on the city of Stockbridge. And we took summary of that meeting and no reservations from the community. Okay. I'm just looking at the area because it's you right beside the park, so now you're looking at kids and [0:23:37, 0:23:43]: in that area at a high volume. Um another thing I wanted to ask, uh [0:23:45, 0:23:55]: What was the last thing? Oh, did you by chance, uh going back to like the streams and s and like water flooding, did you s like think about water tables for the property at all? [0:23:55, 0:24:14]: Yes, we are proposing um underground retention for the project, but again, I I believe we're at the point where it's pretty premature and there's a significant investment that needs to go into the planning and studies and the proposed site plan was a preliminary to at least address this phase. [0:24:14, 0:24:15]: Okay, thank you. [0:24:18, 0:24:19]: Thank you, sir. [0:24:20, 0:24:21]: Thank you. [0:24:38, 0:24:38]: Yes. [0:24:47, 0:24:48]: I'm sorry I can't hear you. [0:24:54, 0:24:55]: Go right ahead. [0:24:56, 0:25:02]: We do have a comment or a question by a Miss Johnson uh regarding this property. [0:25:03, 0:25:09]: Okay. Uh I would ask you to hold that until we open it up for public hearing. [0:25:13, 0:25:17]: Місте Антон, до єfer да ви го ін [0:25:18, 0:25:23]: rezoning in various before we open it up for public or do we Yes yes, sir. Okay. [0:25:29, 0:25:31]: The next case that I have [0:25:33, 0:25:53]: It's the VR, I'm sorry. It's RZ 2024-02. It's a consideration of a request for rezoning of the property at 111 O'Cunas Road to rezone the property from SR, which is suburban residential, to PUD. [0:25:53, 0:25:56]: D plan unit development. [0:25:56, 0:26:03]: to allow for the construction of a mixed use development including commercial and residential uses. [0:26:04, 0:26:20]: The applicant is Charlie Hartower on behalf of First National Land Trust LLC. The property is located in land lot sixty eight of District twelve with six point seven one acres more or less in the city of Stockbridge. Go ahead, Staff. [0:26:22, 0:26:26]: Okay, so this is the presentation for R Z twenty twenty four dash zero two. [0:26:29, 0:26:42]: As mentioned, the applicant's request is to rezone the property from SR, suburban residential, to PUD, plan unit development to allow for the construction of a mixed-use development that will include both commercial and residential uses. [0:26:45, 0:26:46]: This is the zoning map. [0:26:47, 0:26:51]: And the property is surrounded by b C two. [0:26:52, 0:26:55]: C three and O R. [0:27:00, 0:27:06]: This is uh location of the subject property. Uh part of it is in the Parkway Mixus Overlay District. [0:27:14, 0:27:23]: And the subject property is part of the tax allocation district otherwise TAD, which is designed to attract quality development into distressed redevelopment area. [0:27:26, 0:27:35]: And this is a LCI study that was conducted by by in twenty twelve, which labels the subject area as a growth area, which means that is recommended for growth. [0:27:37, 0:27:55]: And this is the side plan, so he has uh therapy garden, a pergola, which is sitting per pergola, uh grill, trash bin, playground, bicycle parking, and this is the location of the ground parking, and this is a dog park with mulch. [0:27:57, 0:28:03]: And the adult pool is in labeled in blue and the retail space is labeled in orange and you have another bicycle parking. [0:28:08, 0:28:13]: And this shows how far the proposed mixed use development is from the amphitheater and the downtown area. [0:28:16, 0:28:20]: And this is the development data summary for the site plan of the property. [0:28:28, 0:28:30]: And this is the exterior of the townhomes. [0:28:36, 0:28:45]: And this is the first floor plan of the proposed mixed use development. You have the three retail use spaces located here, along with the number of parker spaces here. [0:28:49, 0:29:09]: And as mentioned earlier, uh the applicant proposes to build a mixed-use development that consists of a five-story building with 200 apartment units and commercial spaces that will be located on the ground floor. Of the proposed 200 apartment units, 95 will be studio, 95 will be one bedroom with one bathroom, six will be two bedroom with two bathrooms. [0:29:09, 0:29:27]: And forward will be three bathroom units with two bathrooms. There will be a total of three retail spaces with a combined total of fifteen thousand square feet on the first floor of the proposed building. The proposed mixed use development will provide vehicular access to the site with a deceleration lane that will be located along Oconyous Road. [0:29:33, 0:29:41]: And the key points to prov uh from the staff analysis is that it is consistent with the goals and policy of the comprehensive plan. [0:29:42, 0:29:42]: Was just mentioned here. [0:29:44, 0:29:47]: It is consistent with the unified development code. [0:29:50, 0:30:10]: And the three positive effects is that this will be the first mixed-use development in the downtown area, Stockbridge. It will provide alternative type of use housing for young professionals who are looking for apartments, and additional of the retail spaces will provide additional job opportunities. And both the LCI and the downtown [0:30:10, 0:30:15]: Residential and retail market analysis encourages growth in the downtown area. [0:30:18, 0:30:38]: And on page seventy six of the downtown market retail analysis said that the position stop rates for change in local, regional, and national market and demographic trends, particularly the needs of Asian residents and the so-called millennials, the downtown must be rid of revitalized in a way that builds on its historic character and position as a walkable, [0:30:38, 0:30:45]: Mixed use alternative to surrounding areas, many of which will be less suitable to adapt to those changes, which the proposed development meets. [0:30:50, 0:30:55]: A water service is available and the they did a traffic impact study. [0:30:56, 0:31:06]: which is shown on this screen, and it will generate a total of one thousand four hundred and seventy eight net daily trips with seven hundred and thirty nine inbound and seven hundred and forty outbound. [0:31:09, 0:31:29]: And staff recommends approval with conditions to rezone the property from SR to PUD with the following conditions. The number of proposed units will be reduced from 200 to 160, 23.84 units per acre, due to the maximum density allowed by the requested special purpose future land use destination, which is [0:31:29, 0:31:49]: 24 units per acre. Clock cameras will be located at the entrance of the mixed-use development. On the eastern side of the subject property, a 25-foot land strip will be extended past the pool area found on the conceptual site plan. The front facade of the residential building shall be comprised of not less than 50% of the combined material. [0:31:49, 0:32:09]: Such as brick, stone, or stucco, or a combination of brick and stone. The remaining 20% may be comprised of stone, stucco, shake, or andor cement fiberboard siding. The side and rear facade of the residential building should be comprised of any combination of primary materials, including brick, stone, and secondary materials. [0:32:09, 0:32:29]: Included stucco, shake, and/or cyber cement fiber board, but not to exceed 30% of the entire building. The colors should consist of a cohesive complementary palette, and limited use of the accent color is permitted as long as they are not bright or fluorescent and complement of the [0:32:29, 0:32:35]: The overall palette of the material and the proposed mixed-use development should not exceed four stories. [0:32:39, 0:32:41]: Any questions for stay from the commission? [0:32:48, 0:32:49]: No questions? [0:32:52, 0:32:52]: Thank you, Gordon. [0:32:55, 0:33:07]: I won't ask the applicant to return unless you have something to add or if you if the commission have questions that you need to answer. [0:33:14, 0:33:15]: Okay, no questions? [0:33:17, 0:33:32]: The next case is the rezoning RZ-2024-02. This is in Council District 4. Consideration of request to rezone. I'm sorry. [0:33:33, 0:33:34]: What's the [0:33:35, 0:33:47]: Oh yeah, you're right. You're right. Case VR twenty twenty-four dash zero two. Variance case VR dash twenty twenty four dash oh one. [0:33:48, 0:33:52]: It looks like a typographical arrow, but [0:33:52, 0:33:54]: I'm reading what it says. [0:33:54, 0:33:58]: Council District four, a consideration of requests for three variances. [0:34:00, 0:34:05]: As are listed below for the property at one eleven O Cunha Road. [0:34:06, 0:34:12]: To allow for the construction of a mixed use development including commercial and residential uses. [0:34:13, 0:34:30]: The applicant is Charlie Hathawa on behalf of the First National Land Trust, LLC. Properties located in landlot 68 of District 12 with 6.71 acres more or less within the Stockbridge City limits. [0:34:31, 0:34:34]: The three requested variances are as follows. [0:34:35, 0:34:36]: Variance request one. [0:34:37, 0:34:44]: The variance to reduce the parking requirements according to the number of bedrooms per apartment unit. [0:34:45, 0:34:56]: Brother studio and one bedroom apartment units will have only one parking space instead of the required one point two five parking spaces per unit. [0:34:58, 0:35:04]: And the two bedroom units would ha have only one point two five parking spaces per unit. [0:35:04, 0:35:09]: Instead of the required one point seven five parking spaces per unit. [0:35:12, 0:35:13]: Fairness of question number two. [0:35:14, 0:35:19]: Variance to modify the ground floor retail square footage requirement. [0:35:20, 0:35:23]: By changing the residential to retail space ratio. [0:35:24, 0:35:28]: From the required ratio of seventy five percent. [0:35:30, 0:35:37]: twenty five percent to a proposed ratio of eighty seven point five percent to twelve and a half percent. [0:35:39, 0:35:50]: Variance request number three. Variance to increase the project's density from twenty-four units per acre to twenty-nine units per acre. [0:35:52, 0:35:55]: Mr. Linton, you may proceed. Yes, sir. [0:35:57, 0:36:10]: Again, Mr. Chair, if I may just read in the record the correct case number. It is VR dash two zero two four dash zero one. [0:36:10, 0:36:10]: Thank you. [0:36:16, 0:36:36]: As mentioned, the applicant is requesting three variances that found in the UDC. These variances are as follows: reduce the parking requirements according to number of bedrooms per apartment unit, whereby a studio and one bedroom apartment would have only one parking space instead of the required 1.25 parking spaces per [0:36:36, 0:36:45]: per unit and two bedrooms would only have one point two five parking spaces per unit instead of the required one point seven five parking spaces per unit. [0:36:47, 0:37:07]: The second variance is to modify the ground floor retail square footage requirement by changing the residential to retail space ratio from the required ratio of 75 slash 25% to reposed ratio of 87.5% slash twelve point five percent. And the third variance is to increase the project. [0:37:07, 0:37:11]: product density from twenty-four units per acre to twenty-nine units per acre. [0:37:14, 0:37:21]: So this is his parking the parking requirements that are found in section four point eighty four A of the Unified Development Code. [0:37:22, 0:37:37]: This is the current parking requirements, which is the one bedroom of efficiency unit, which is 1.25 parking spaces per unit, and the two bedroom unit, which is 1.75 parking spaces per unit. And the request from the applicant is to reduce it from one bedroom [0:37:38, 0:37:45]: Or efficiency unit one point parking spaces per unit and the two bedroom unit to one point two five parking spaces per unit. [0:37:47, 0:38:07]: And this is proposed. The studio will have 195 units, which a total of 119. The one bedroom will also have 95 with 119 parking spaces. The two-bedroom will have six units with 11 parking spaces. And the third three-bedroom will be will have four units with eight parking spaces. [0:38:07, 0:38:15]: Spaces. So the total residential parking spaces is 200, and the number of parking spaces will be 257. [0:38:17, 0:38:20]: And this is the overall proposed number of parking spaces. [0:38:21, 0:38:30]: It will be 257 total with seventy-nine commercial parking spaces, which brings the overall number of parking spaces to 336. [0:38:32, 0:38:45]: And this is the required. Staff discovered that the increment parking calculations were used. Therefore, the required parking calculation resulted in two hundred and eighty-seven residential parking spaces with [0:38:45, 0:38:59]: Seventy nine totaling three hundred and six parking spaces. The applicant did not provide the proposed total reduced parking spaces, therefore staff recommends reducing the residential parking spaces by thirty parking spaces totaling three hundred and thirty six parking spaces. [0:39:06, 0:39:26]: And this is the key point from this from the staff report is that three acres of the subject property is located in the Brush Creek wetlands. Therefore, the developer is likely to color several hardships due to the wooded areas, their varied elevations, and the location of the Brush Creek wetlands, and it is consistent with the UD. [0:39:26, 0:39:40]: DC since it will allow the developer to comply with the parking regulations, alleviate the number of potential cars that will be located on the proposed mixed use development, and it will eliminate impervious parking spaces that will be located on the mixed use development. [0:39:43, 0:40:03]: Based on the staff analysis above, the planning and zoning staff therefore recommends approval for the warrant for the following variances. The first variance will be approved. And the second, we couldn't find it in this in the UDC development code, therefore, it will be non-applicable. And the third, which is to increase the project density from 24 units. [0:40:02, 0:40:20]: units per acre to twenty nine units per acre. That is approved with conditions, which is the number of proposed units will be reduced from two hundred to one sixty units, twenty three point eight four units per acre due to the maximum allowed by the required special use, special purpose future land use destination. [0:40:31, 0:40:32]: Are you done? [0:40:36, 0:40:43]: Mr Chair, if Gordon just clarified number one, the number of parking spaces that we're approved. [0:40:44, 0:41:04]: Okay, so to reduce the parking spaces according to number of bedroom units per apartment unit, whereby a studio and one bedroom apartment units will have only one parking space instead of the required 1.25 parking spaces per unit, and the two bedrooms will only have 1.5 parking spaces per unit. And as mentioned, staff has discovered that. [0:41:04, 0:41:24]: That the incorrect parking calculation and the parking reduces were used, and therefore the required parking calculation resulted in 287 residential parking spaces with 79 retail, totaling 366 parking spaces. The applicant did not provide the proposed total reduced parking spaces, therefore staff. [0:41:24, 0:41:34]: Staff is recommended to reduce the residential parking spaces by thirty parking spaces, which will result in a total of three hundred and thirty-six parking spaces. [0:41:37, 0:41:40]: Any questions for staff from the commission? [0:41:45, 0:41:47]: No questions? Thank you. Go on. [0:41:50, 0:42:00]: This is a public hearing, so this is how we will conduct it. If there is anyone present who wish to speak in favor [0:42:01, 0:42:09]: Of just development, the comprehensive plan amendment, the rezoning, and the variance request. [0:42:10, 0:42:17]: If you are in favor, we ask that you s form a line in the center aisle here. [0:42:21, 0:42:22]: At a pros the podium. [0:42:24, 0:42:28]: Fill out a form, give it to the secretary if you haven't already done so. [0:42:30, 0:42:31]: Anybody in favor of the [0:42:34, 0:42:48]: Okay. Seeing none, I will ask the questions of anybody present who is opposed to the project, the comprehensive plan amendment, the rezoning, and the variance requests. [0:42:51, 0:42:53]: Into one opposed. [0:42:58, 0:42:59]: I see one individual. [0:43:01, 0:43:02]: Uh uh [0:43:03, 0:43:06]: You may approach the podium since you're the only one. [0:43:08, 0:43:10]: Hope you feel audible. [0:43:10, 0:43:13]: Okay. Give us your name and address please for the record. [0:43:14, 0:43:25]: Hi, I am actually Pastor Natasha Johnson. I'm from God first breakthrough one one five Old Conyers Road. We just had some questions. Um I don't think we're either opposed, we just had some concerns and questions. Is that okay? [0:43:26, 0:43:34]: Questions for commission or the staff or the staff and the commission regarding the overall project. [0:43:34, 0:43:35]: Go right ahead. [0:43:35, 0:43:44]: Okay. So just let me just stay up front, we are yes. I'm sorry, missage. Can you make sure your green light is on? It is. Perfect, thank you. Can I am I not loud enough? [0:43:44, 0:43:52]: Oh, okay. So um we're very excited about the f forward vision for the city of Stockbridge. We love the [0:43:52, 0:44:12]: comprehensive plan and we're excited about the potential that um, you know, the new things that Stockbridge is bringing in. Um the only questions that we had is, you know, in keeping with overall the city of Atlanta has been known for not having the right infrastructure in place prior to growth and expansion. [0:44:12, 0:44:12]: Yeah. [0:44:12, 0:44:22]: And while we appreciate bringing that many residents into the city of Stockbridge, our major concern is traffic and what it would bring. Um [0:44:22, 0:44:25]: Аз на част the [0:44:25, 0:44:26]: Um [0:44:26, 0:44:27]: The [0:44:27, 0:44:44]: vehicular traffic but also foot traffic. Um and we don't see part of the plan as far as expansion. We know that there's a deceleration lane that's planned at some point. Um are there walkways, etcetera. Even like I was driving down uh [0:44:45, 0:45:05]: East Atlanta yesterday and uh during Juneteenth, and someone just stepped out in front of my vehicle. You know, there are no clear walkways or identified pedestrian crossings. I mean, those are the questions that we have, um, considering that this is targeted for young professionals and small families with. [0:45:04, 0:45:08]: the park being across the street for Co Cochrane Plan. [0:45:08, 0:45:11]: Cochrane Clark, we anticipate that. [0:45:11, 0:45:14]: There will be additional pedestrian traffic. [0:45:14, 0:45:33]: And has there any thought been given to that? Um, the question that you asked, Mr. Williams, regarding the wetlands, that was one of the questions that we had as well. Um, and what thought and how they are planning to work around that and the impact to flooding as well as infrastructure. So we appreciate that. Um [0:45:34, 0:45:47]: I think most of the questions have been asked regarding what we want. The other one question we did have is there going to be any restrictions as far as ordinances for what kind of commercial um [0:45:47, 0:45:56]: establishments would be in that mixed use. Um we don't we would not like to see a liquid store. Um are there any restrictions? [0:45:56, 0:46:16]: uh going to be put in place by the commission regarding overall we are neither opposed to or in favor. We are just wanting to get more insight into what the plans are because it is adjacent to the church and we want to ensure that um, you know, the and as well as the buffer zone between the church and the apartment building is [0:46:16, 0:46:26]: sufficient to accommodate um any noise restrictions, etc. That's it. Thank you, Evan. Mr. Anderson, would you uh [0:46:27, 0:46:30]: Be willing to address some of her questions. [0:46:34, 0:46:47]: As as far as it relates to um walkability and pedestrian crosswalk, uh one of the city's primary goals is to make the whole entire area walkable and then and to have sidewalks. [0:46:48, 0:46:50]: on the side we all [0:47:06, 0:47:26]: The other concern she had, all that is currently governed by the UBC and state law, the liquor store cannot be any close proximity of the church. There are distant requirements, so chances are the liquor store won't be able to go there. And uh plus the city uh won't be able to issue any more liquor license until the city reaches a certain [0:47:25, 0:47:40]: population threshold we're in the process of issuing two new liquor licenses now and uh that area is not included in as one of the target areas for one of those new liquor stores. So the answer about the little store is nope, it won't be a little store. [0:47:40, 0:47:42]: And what was the other person? [0:47:45, 0:47:58]: The traffic set uh concerns and deceleration lane coming out from East Atlanta to Old Cottages, et cetera. [0:47:59, 0:48:00]: Well. [0:48:09, 0:48:14]: Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Is there anyone else who wished to speak in opposition? [0:48:20, 0:48:23]: Seeing none, the public hearing is now closed. [0:48:26, 0:48:33]: Uh Mr. Chair, I have a question from Mr. Go right if you don't mind. Are are we speaking? Speaking of the microphone, please. [0:48:33, 0:48:44]: Are we still going to uh have a road that comes from Rock Cory to O'Connors? Is that still in the in the makings, uh, Mr. Gordon? Do you know anything about that? [0:48:47, 0:48:49]: At one time they were gonna uh [0:48:51, 0:48:54]: Make a straight through through fare from uh [0:49:04, 0:49:24]: Uh if you don't mind, that'd be something I would like to get an answer to. Are we gonna develop uh a road from Rock Quarry to Old Kanye's Road? I'm I'm just putting it out there, okay? Mr. Tribado, thank you for your comment. I uh would encourage you to speak privately with Mr. [0:49:24, 0:49:33]: Anderson or whoever you deem necessary. The item is not on the agenda and I don't wanna take up a whole lot of time talking about that tonight. [0:49:37, 0:49:38]: The [0:49:41, 0:49:54]: Time now to vote on the cases that's before us. I need a motion with regard to comprehensive plan amendment KCP 2024-02 in Council District 4. [0:49:55, 0:49:57]: I need a motion from the commission, please. [0:49:58, 0:49:59]: Cheer. [0:49:59, 0:50:00]: Yes. [0:50:00, 0:50:13]: I make a motion to um approve comprehensive plan CP-2024-02 to include staff recommendations. [0:50:15, 0:50:17]: Or approval with the staff conditions. [0:50:18, 0:50:19]: Is there a second? [0:50:19, 0:50:21]: Mr. Chairman, I second that. [0:50:21, 0:50:28]: It's been moved by Mr Williams and second by Mr Plancham that the [0:50:29, 0:50:30]: C P [0:50:31, 0:50:39]: 2024 dash zero two comprehensive plan amendment case be approved. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of I. [0:50:39, 0:50:41]: I in your polls. [0:50:43, 0:50:47]: The eyes have it. Unanimous. The motion passes. [0:50:50, 0:50:52]: The next case is [0:50:53, 0:50:58]: Up for a vote is R Z twenty twenty four dash zero two resounding case. [0:51:03, 0:51:05]: I need a motion from the commission, please. [0:51:10, 0:51:20]: Chair. Yes, sir. Motion to approve the R Z dash twenty twenty four dash O two rezoning case. [0:51:21, 0:51:22]: Is there a second? [0:51:24, 0:51:31]: I second it. Harold. It's been moved by Mr. Williams and seconded by Mr. Thibodeau. [0:51:33, 0:51:42]: That we approve the rezoning case R Z twenty twenty four dash zero two. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of it. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? [0:51:45, 0:51:50]: The eyes have it. It's unanimous. The resulting case is approved. [0:51:53, 0:51:57]: The next case is the VR twenty twenty four-zero two. [0:52:00, 0:52:02]: Death three variances. [0:52:04, 0:52:06]: I need a motion from the commission. [0:52:07, 0:52:08]: Cheer. [0:52:08, 0:52:09]: Yes, sir. [0:52:09, 0:52:29]: Um before I make my motion, I did wanna uh tell the applicant. I had a few concerns with the actual d site development itself. So I would just implore you to work with community development. Um, Ryan and the entire team, they're amazing when it comes down to site plans. Cause there's some safety issues I kind of see, um, as well as just [0:52:29, 0:52:48]: really just that it's that wetland and that that stream that's really bothering me, especially in that area. Um with downtown development being built so far by mayor and council, I I I would have confer with them to try to reconfigure that. Um and then I would also [0:52:50, 0:52:52]: I also wanted to say [0:52:53, 0:53:05]: Something that I forgot. So I'm gonna make my motion. Um chair, I'd like to make a motion to deny variance one and variance two and approve variants three with the staff conditions. [0:53:09, 0:53:11]: Do I have a second to that motion, please? [0:53:13, 0:53:19]: Motion to deny variance one, variance two, and to approve variance three. Is there a second? [0:53:23, 0:53:29]: Do you mind if we have a conversation about that? I if you understand development [0:53:29, 0:53:36]: You can change anything you want to go in whatever direction. And also what I'd be concerned about basically [0:53:37, 0:53:39]: Is that they would know better. [0:53:39, 0:53:58]: about how to landscape property for flooding and anything else for drainage. So I personally would not deny that because you can make those changes and you can make re requirements to that. So that that's just a development issue that could l literally be controlled. [0:54:03, 0:54:07]: Since we have no second to the motion, then the motion fails. [0:54:08, 0:54:14]: Do we have an uh alternative motion? Mr. Tibetal, do you wish to make a different motion? [0:54:17, 0:54:21]: Yeah, I'd like to make a motion, uh present a motion that we'll approve of it. [0:54:22, 0:54:25]: Then we approve variants one, two, and three. [0:54:27, 0:54:31]: Yes. Okay, is there a second to that motion? [0:54:32, 0:54:41]: Mr. Planchon is seconded. It's been moved by Mr. Thibodeau and second by Mr. Planshon that we approve. [0:54:41, 0:54:42]: Yes, sir. [0:54:51, 0:54:54]: So the proper motion will be to approve one and three. [0:54:59, 0:55:03]: That's fine. You know, I would have appreciated it if you had written the script that way. [0:55:05, 0:55:05]: Yeah. [0:55:11, 0:55:18]: Did everyone hear that? Mr. Anderson has indicated that the variance request number two [0:55:21, 0:55:25]: should be taken off the table because it's not in the ordinance. [0:55:28, 0:55:32]: So I need a motion with respect to variance one and variance three. [0:55:36, 0:55:48]: Mr. Thibodeau, do you wish to make that motion? Yes, I'd like to present a motion that we uh put variants one and three back for the voting. [0:55:50, 0:55:57]: You making a motion to approval? Yes. I'd like to position it. Mr. Planchon is seconding. [0:55:58, 0:56:14]: It's been moved and by Mr Thibodeau that we approve variance one and variance three. And it was seconded by Mr. Plinchon. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay. [0:56:15, 0:56:26]: Mr Planchon and Mr. Thibodeau voted yay to approve the variance. Mr Williams voted nay to deny the variance. [0:56:27, 0:56:28]: The eyes have it. [0:56:29, 0:56:32]: Or the Yays have it, if you will, and the motion is approved. [0:56:47, 0:56:50]: Are there any project updates from staff? [0:56:53, 0:56:55]: Any comments from staff. [0:56:57, 0:56:59]: Any comments from the board, please? [0:57:02, 0:57:11]: No comments from the board. This meeting is adjoined. Thank you very much for attending. Thank you for your cooperation.